I'm actually surprised that people are surprised by this. Ever play SWTOR? Their cartel packs that you buy from the artel market are all completely random. You want that cool repulsor chair speeder? You might get it when you buy the pack it's in. To me it's not that big a deal, if I want a specifir speeder I'll just buy it in their version of the ah. Same thing appleies here. Eventually people will get multiples of even the super rares and they will trade them. If you don't want to risk the randomness of the box, then wait for it to come out on the ah.
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I think the best way to offer a random product like this would be to make all of the possible items available for a fixed TP cost and then charge a discounted price for the random box for those who wish to go that route and try their luck.
If they really want to introduce a few rare pets that can't simply be purchased by everyone right now, it could be stated that the rare ones will be available for separate individual purchase at a later date (in a limited release).
In general, if you sell a randomly-selected product it only seems fair to charge a lower price for it, and to make the individual products also available (at normal prices).
Just my 2pp.
This thread let me know I may want to log in to game and check AH.
I'm confused as to what you expected, OP. You purchased a (non essential) item from the store that stated it was random, and you were surprised when you did not get all six after several tries? Its random, as in not guaranteed. If you buy the gold roll from the daily bonus, you are not guaranteed to roll a 100 no matter how many attempts you make. Why would you expect the random box of pets work differently?
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Aren't these certificates unbound? Can't you trade them via /trades, forums, or even AH in order to collect them all.
As a once shareholder of Zynga and friend of someone who worked until recent layoffs at Zynga, their original execs are scum of the earth. They did a drumbeat promising high revenues before and after IPO, sold their executive reserved shares at inflated prices and then announced actual income and the stock dropped 80% of its value. There is an ongoing suit against them for their bogus post IPO upward information. I would hope Turbine wouldn't pull in these losers. I believe Pincus is still chairman at Zynga though no longer CEO.
Posting these sky-is-falling threads is just alarmist and serves no real purpose. Don't buy them, encourage others not to. If they don't sell well, Turbine will take another direction.
Personally I agree, but only because computers can't randomize reliably to save their lives. Ergo, relying on a computer to give a reasonably 'fair' randomness when money is involved is, to me, a bit of a no-no, especially given hos prevalent it is in some less-savory style Korean MMOs as a money-grab. I think a random box would be acceptable at a discount, i.e. you can save a few bucks and see what you get, or just shell out for the specific as the normal price.
But seriously, don't jump in here like your head is on fire and your computer is going to explode and life as we know it will end - be calm, be reasonable, don't be alarmist, you just look ridiculous.
But I suspect that wouldn't help Turbine anyway, since it's fairly easy to accidentally create an algorithm which returns non-random output for even a truly random input. And Turbine have past form for this.
When trying to unlock a chest last night, ten times in a row I rolled a 10. Sure, that could happen if it were completely random, but such reports seem to be so common just on the forums I'm skeptical that Turbine don't have a fundamental bug (or perhaps a secret feature?) in their randomness code. I don't even look at the rolls, usually, so I don't know how many other times things like that have happened to me.
There are tools out there which can test the randomness of a given dataset. Perhaps one of our OCD stats friends can feed some of their logs into such tools, and see what it says. Probably not enough data for a result with a high level of confidence though, TBH.
Also its funny you were afraid to type the name of the company.
I would pay TP for a "hide companions" trinket...rendering them all invisible (and inaudible) to me, that would be nice.
You know, we all love the game and want it to thrive, so we can can continue to play. It takes money. Turbine has to find a way to increase revenue to keep the doors open.
This little cash grab is much preferable to some of the (dare I say it) P2W items that have been released of late.
If they are going to sell store only items that are unobtainable in game, then this is a good way to go. It in no way impacts game play. It's just fluff, but it's fun fluff. I love my pets
I would also like to know what all six pets are... I think it's 5 flying kitties and a pseudo-dragon, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
I'll admit that I bought one of these boxes. I really had no interest myself, but my wife was online playing last night and noted how cute the new cats were. She happens to really like the pets so I bought a box fully expecting to get one of the random cats that I could just give to her. If it had been a dragon, I probably would have kept it to sell and bought another box for a cat to give to her. In this situation, it's win/win for me.
Now this is not likely to be the case for every person, especially someone that is really looking for the dragon. If I were a pet collector I'd find it very frustrating as well. I did a quick check of the AH last night and saw countless cats of various colors but not a single one of the new dragons (the cats will likely drop below 300k soon and maybe even less than that so they aren't that troublesome to get). The dragons will be so rare that trading for one will be pretty much impossible unless you want to part with some EE goodies or find someone that has no idea of the value. I'm actually wondering if the dragon even exists. Screenshot anyone? The rage from the buyers if they found out that there was 0% chance of finding a dragon would be crazy.
Since the topic of Zynga was brought up, I'll mention that there is a massive negative connotation to the name. It's not something that you want associated with your company in any way whatsoever. They do have some great potential games, but their money making methods are borderline criminal in some cases. Preying on gambling instincts, misclicks and children that don't know what they're clicking on. If you hired anyone from Zynga, you would certainly not want your customers knowing about it, let alone announcing it like it's a good thing. Remember that many DDO players are of an older gaming generation. We aren't 10 year olds with cell phones clicking away while Mom/Dad pay the bill. Zynga tactics are very offensive to older mature gamers that grew up on consoles and PC games where microtransactions weren't even a concept at the time.
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For example, I deal in "designer toys" which have a strong random box economy based on what we call "blind box" toys. Not dissimilar from the economics of sports cards of old (I'll exclude game cards because they are actually used for something other than looking at). The key difference is a designer toy company actually has to make said toys before any can be blind boxed and sold, and their distribution amongst cases of products is controlled at the factory. So for a figure with 1/100, there is a pretty implicit guarrantee that out of four cases of 25 figures, you'll find at least 1. You're also guarranteed to get all the common figures within a single case based on that same distribution poilcy. The companies don't publish the total number of figures produced, for obvious reasons, but they do control distribution so that the total number of good types in circulation before loss/destruction match their stated odds.
The fundamental economic flaw with digitally generated random goods is you're never guarranteed a good of a specific type will ever be generated. You could buy a thousand digital boxes and still not get the low odds good if the algorithm is random, and by the same token, if it's not truly random (they're seeding the algorithm) then you have to question what their seeding strategy is designed to do since it's undeclared. It's so vastly easier to seed an unseen digital algorithm to manipulate customer behavior (i.e. create a euphoric high for first-time customers who will chase that high nearly forever), I'd be suprised if it's not done as a rule.
But, I never gambled on digital terminals ever. If the true odds are completely unknown, odds are you're the mark.
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