You broke the first rule of healing, don't drink a pot unless absolutely necessary (completely unnecessary in CiTW EH, which is what I assume it the diff was).
Also, don't assume the other FVS wasn't just smarter about resource output or was spot healing from scrolls. I scroll heal/healing word most all of CiTW EH (especially the first fight), which I suppose could be considered resource wasting, but heal stacks are cheap, healing word is free, and SP is for keeping important toons necessary for completion alive when the former doesn't suffice (including me). Countless times, I've watched people dump their entire SP bar healing that first fight when not needed. I've heard other healers ask me to throw heals when I've been spot healing (healing 9 toons when only one needs it is a waste) because I've got 3k+ of my 3.3k+ SP most of the way through the fight. Now, if another healer is just standing around, that's different, but you can't judge from their SP usage.
Sort of on the same tack, I don't understand how people continue to get kicked off by Lolth's legs. Trivial to time and avoid and can't even remember the last time I had any toon kicked off the platform. Watched some toon take a rez scroll the other night from me at the standard rez spot, and then had a great view as Lolth proceeded to immediately send a leg right up his posterior, killing him and sending him flying all the way across the platform. Quite possibly funniest DDO moment I've ever watched.
In all honesty... people that still run CITW are probably newbs or random iconics or some-such.
Most of the top tier / semi-serious players already ran CITW 60+ times.....
It seems like you got a group of inexperienced players that just couldn't take the punishment from CITW. Albeit, I hate iconic heroes. They are not very good for anything remotely end game to begin with... (personal opinion).
Everytime I think of CITW, I kinda cringe. Not from fear. But from a disgusting feeling like I'm wasting my play time......
Albeit, same with FOT atm for many... I'm sure....
Maybe a bit extreem Dyna. A lot of folks are still using it to get comms or new toons, or helping their guildies etc.
Honestly though, if you are chugging pots in CITW something is wrong.
I didn't get what you said..... Turnkey raid? By turn-key... you mean like clockwork? You mean citw is really simple most of the time?
Agreed. CITW is an easy raid most of the time.
"Only they didn't kick him, they kicked me, and thus my vent"
I knew that was gonna happen, before it was cool.
The OP just happened to get into a bad CiTW group, so what, it happens. Happened once to me long before iconics, never happened again. Plenty of experienced players run CiTW, but why should they run it every single time the timer is up when the drop rates are horrible and there's so much other Epic content to run for fun and profit.
I do kind of agree with you, though. Most of the time when I've run citw lately, it's been with a non-optimal group. I'll probably get tired of running it sooner or later and try to bring back something like Titan or ToD just for fun.
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First I'm going to say "Cool Story"
It appears from your side of the story that what happened was the Failure of the Raid was attributed to you (either your build or the personality you portrayed - wasn't there and not in PLs head so don't know which)
I agree with someone else's earlier post: "Wonder who got the blame in the next attempt?"
The #1 rule of using mnemonic potions comes down to the following question "Will it make the difference between success and failure"
If the shrine was opened right out in the open with the "Hand" chasing the group, than it really does bring into question the Leadership experience of the PL.
Now there are many SP saving methods that can be used by blue-bars that can give the appearance that they are not healing - (I did pick up the part where you sent a couple heals to the FvS during the first fight), Scrolls, Non-SP healing abilities etc. In raid healing situations I've learned to avoid "wasting" sp by coordinating group healing, such as alternating who will be sending Masses during different phases. So it is possible that the other FvS was allowing you to heal the first round. But in theory that should mean that they should have been a 1/2 or better at the point you all reached the Orb on the run. It does not appear that that was true.
In the end, I think you dodged the worst part and took just a flesh wound from this experience.
It's odd what you say about going right up to her belly button. From what I've seen there are two places where meleeing you can actually hit her and one of them is quite close - are you used to the spot that is further away and not so close in? Although its not helpful if people don't stay grouped or at least within scroll targetting range.
Also someone put me onto the sigal of energy negation as a twist - from Magister tier 1. That helps a lot in there.
I think you're brave taking on pug CITWs. They can be very randomn. I am not at all surprised by your story. The run with the PL as healer would have been hilarious though
Wowzers I can relate to that. As an arty I get the bum rush every once and a while. Hehe I was even blamed for a Raid failure after I spent 50k plat worth of heal scrolls and res scrolls, because the 3 healers weren't healing. It was the first time I decided to squelch a few people. Normally I don't do that and give people a 2nd chance.
What frustrated me was not the 50k plat, but the fact the raid never would have to got as far as it did unless I had popped all those scrolls! No range DPS from me if I'm constantly pulling people off the mat. With that said I do enjoy helping take the load of healers and sometimes offer to heal and res, and fill the gaps. Most times I do it without telling anyone, because I want the group to succeed. I don't mind spending the plat either. What frustrated me was I got blamed, my build got blamed, my ED got blamed, etc. and there were 3 clerics in the group not doing much healing.
OK this is leading up to something.
Not every arty is a trapper. Not every FVS is a healer, and same goes for clerics and druids. Not every rouge is a trapper, etc. A build you have never seen before and don't understand yet is not bad. Likewise, a player's choice in EDs is theirs and not yours to make. The point is assumptions can be bad and lead to failure. This game has way too much variability to pin failure on any one player most times. Of course you can, and that is your choice. Usually the wipe is caused by multiple players and the actions and in-actions they take in the group.
I'm just as guilty as anyone, because sometimes I'm stubborn and will try and make a bad group reach final victory. I'm sorry for any healer rage I've had.
We will have some bad experiences along wit the good ones. However, I'm sorry to hear about your experience in that raid. Being a healer regardless of class and build is tough. It bothers me that the healer gets blamed in situations likes these and it happens all the time.
In my opinion we should all raise a toast of gratitude to all the healers that saved us from the fire so many times!
Last edited by Livmo; 07-31-2013 at 06:17 PM.
There will always be noobers trying to put up lfm's for quests, and even worse trying to lfm for raids.
Add them to your squelch list at the first opportunity, take a deep breath and move on is all you can do. They'll remain noober, but they'll be someone else's problem.
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This thread gives me the feeling that trying to find a learning run for when one of my toons is high enough for CitW is going to be a nightmare.
It also reminds me as to why I don't play, pug or otherwise, a divine anymore. Heh.
Gotta love the horror stories
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