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    Default Befuddled by a couple of level 25s on my server.

    Purposefully vague, I'll just call them 'derpdualtwizzler' and ''albusiswaybetterthanme'.

    Both of them are max level, both do not have prestige enhancements.

    Noticed them as they turn up to some pug raids.

    I went so far as send the link to the ddo wiki pages for both their respective classes prestige enhancements.

    Flat out ignored by the derpdualtwizzler, who didn't say a word in reply to me or anything in party chat the whole time, I also saw he loot the tablecloth immediately for added ridiculousness because he is a pure melee.

    The albusiswaybetterthanme seemed like an okay guy, after I told him what's up, but then over a week later I run into both again in a pug, same situation, no prestiges, extremely gimp.

    How does this even happen?

    Is DDO drawing so many WoW refugees now? (who will never admit they have even played it)

    The kind of people that insist they are having fun playing their own way, and by telling them what they are doing wrong you are a horrible 'something something' for giving them legitimate insight and tips. Never stopping to think it's not just themselves playing, and one or more of these kinds of players fill a raid they are effectively destroying the fun for people that attempt to actually be good at a game.

    Now I know some players might enjoy playing with these guys because it makes the game more challenging having almost dead weight, but I notice this is only the case when you have run a raid to death with a good guild and you have all the loot already.

    Also I know DDO isn't a WoW clone (yet) but the reasons I quit WoW years ago, was when I continually found myself with players that seemed like they were watching a sports game on television at the same time as raiding, who really didn't seem to care that they were only pulling barely over 1/2 the numbers of say DPS for their respective gear/class. And anyone who has played WoW knows on a lot of bosses it's game over if you can't reduce the hps of a boss before a certain time limit or stage.

    None of the welfare badge gear blizzard brought out helped these kinds of players, it certainly didn't help the overall game experience, in fact it ruined it. It didn't matter how good the hand out gear was, enabling these kinds of players (in theory) to jump right into raiding the latest content.

    And neither will level up stones and other fast tracked measures such as iconic classes to get new players right into end game, when all it means is a max level player with less game knowledge than someone struggling in the waterworks with a broken char that can barely function.

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    All we can do is offer advice; whether they take it is beyond our control and responsibility. In the end, the only real choice we have is whether to play with them. I don't know what level of communication you had with them. Could it be possible that there is a language barrier? I have occasionally noticed party members that didn't say anything turned out to not speak English (usually by asking whether they can understand/verstehen/comprendre/usw.) This may not be the case, but it is a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inventoryisfull View Post
    Purposefully vague, I'll just call them 'derpdualtwizzler' and ''albusiswaybetterthanme'.

    Both of them are max level, both do not have prestige enhancements.

    Noticed them as they turn up to some pug raids.

    I went so far as send the link to the ddo wiki pages for both their respective classes prestige enhancements.

    Flat out ignored by the derpdualtwizzler, who didn't say a word in reply to me or anything in party chat the whole time, I also saw he loot the tablecloth immediately for added ridiculousness because he is a pure melee.

    The albusiswaybetterthanme seemed like an okay guy, after I told him what's up, but then over a week later I run into both again in a pug, same situation, no prestiges, extremely gimp.

    How does this even happen?

    Is DDO drawing so many WoW refugees now? (who will never admit they have even played it)

    The kind of people that insist they are having fun playing their own way, and by telling them what they are doing wrong you are a horrible 'something something' for giving them legitimate insight and tips. Never stopping to think it's not just themselves playing, and one or more of these kinds of players fill a raid they are effectively destroying the fun for people that attempt to actually be good at a game.

    Now I know some players might enjoy playing with these guys because it makes the game more challenging having almost dead weight, but I notice this is only the case when you have run a raid to death with a good guild and you have all the loot already.

    Also I know DDO isn't a WoW clone (yet) but the reasons I quit WoW years ago, was when I continually found myself with players that seemed like they were watching a sports game on television at the same time as raiding, who really didn't seem to care that they were only pulling barely over 1/2 the numbers of say DPS for their respective gear/class. And anyone who has played WoW knows on a lot of bosses it's game over if you can't reduce the hps of a boss before a certain time limit or stage.

    None of the welfare badge gear blizzard brought out helped these kinds of players, it certainly didn't help the overall game experience, in fact it ruined it. It didn't matter how good the hand out gear was, enabling these kinds of players (in theory) to jump right into raiding the latest content.

    And neither will level up stones and other fast tracked measures such as iconic classes to get new players right into end game, when all it means is a max level player with less game knowledge than someone struggling in the waterworks with a broken char that can barely function.
    How exactly can you tell they have no prestige enhancements?

    If you dont like them, dont let them into your groups. If they arent your groups, then you can learn to deal with it.. or leave group...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    How exactly can you tell they have no prestige enhancements?
    This. I have no idea how you can tell they have no class prestige enhancement.

    My gut instinct is to think perhaps you mean they do not have an Epic Destiny? You realize that Epic Destinies are a pay to play feature right?
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    lol. He sent me a pm telling me not to post if I dont play anymore and that hes not going to post all the OBVIOUS ways he can tell....
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    Is it permitted to reveal the contents of a PM in forum here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by inventoryisfull View Post
    Purposefully vague, I'll just call them 'derpdualtwizzler' and ''albusiswaybetterthanme'.

    Both of them are max level, both do not have prestige enhancements.

    Noticed them as they turn up to some pug raids.

    I went so far as send the link to the ddo wiki pages for both their respective classes prestige enhancements.

    Flat out ignored by the derpdualtwizzler, who didn't say a word in reply to me or anything in party chat the whole time, I also saw he loot the tablecloth immediately for added ridiculousness because he is a pure melee.

    The albusiswaybetterthanme seemed like an okay guy, after I told him what's up, but then over a week later I run into both again in a pug, same situation, no prestiges, extremely gimp.

    How does this even happen?

    Is DDO drawing so many WoW refugees now? (who will never admit they have even played it)

    The kind of people that insist they are having fun playing their own way, and by telling them what they are doing wrong you are a horrible 'something something' for giving them legitimate insight and tips. Never stopping to think it's not just themselves playing, and one or more of these kinds of players fill a raid they are effectively destroying the fun for people that attempt to actually be good at a game.

    Now I know some players might enjoy playing with these guys because it makes the game more challenging having almost dead weight, but I notice this is only the case when you have run a raid to death with a good guild and you have all the loot already.

    Also I know DDO isn't a WoW clone (yet) but the reasons I quit WoW years ago, was when I continually found myself with players that seemed like they were watching a sports game on television at the same time as raiding, who really didn't seem to care that they were only pulling barely over 1/2 the numbers of say DPS for their respective gear/class. And anyone who has played WoW knows on a lot of bosses it's game over if you can't reduce the hps of a boss before a certain time limit or stage.

    None of the welfare badge gear blizzard brought out helped these kinds of players, it certainly didn't help the overall game experience, in fact it ruined it. It didn't matter how good the hand out gear was, enabling these kinds of players (in theory) to jump right into raiding the latest content.

    And neither will level up stones and other fast tracked measures such as iconic classes to get new players right into end game, when all it means is a max level player with less game knowledge than someone struggling in the waterworks with a broken char that can barely function.
    Wow....I didn't realize we had police in this game....You see, this is the problem with gaming nowadays. Some people, like the OP, see it as some job, some place where you have to have things a certain way. Then others, like the two "noobs" see games as they should be...something fun that you don't have to take too seriously. I have five characters (out of ten) that have no pre. Am I a noob?

    Maybe. Maybe I am. But here is the bigger issue.....Do I care? No. Because I enjoy the hell out of them. And you know what, you can just get the hell over it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    How exactly can you tell they have no prestige enhancements?
    Some prestiges present visual cues - Sorc Savants (arm tumor, etc.).

    Others are indicated when you "Z" a character (Tempest, Stal Defender, etc.).

    It is also possible to ask directly without depending on inference.

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    First I will say this, some classes it is easier to tell that a Class Prestige was not taken - Sorcerer (aura of their element) and Cleric (lack of Burst/Healing Aura)

    Other classes it takes watching for signs and others you couldn't tell.

    However, at epic levels a lot of power comes from the ED abilities.

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    As for the Loot comment on a pure melee - Personally I'm a "If you get loot in your name in the chest, unless otherwise agreed upon, you can do with it as you see fit" person. One of the best ways to avoid judging others on their loot pulls is to avoid thinking about how you could use the loot better and only concern yourself with loot that is up for roll.

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    Eventually when you play any game long enough you will find some people that you don't enjoy running with (If you find that this number is so large that you have a notebook full of names of course you might want to ask yourself some serious personal questions). When this happens, just do what you can to avoid/minimize contact with these persons. It is really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    Is it permitted to reveal the contents of a PM in forum here?
    I'm sure its just as permitted as sending derogatory and insulting PMs to someone.
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    One thing I've noticed is that people who criticize other people in raids are not typically the best players. Ironically they often think they are.

    I am not saying this is the case with the OP, but it's been obversation.

    Let people improve their characters on their time. Not everyone has a lot of time to play this game. Be sure to let people know their roles in raids, but don't tell them how to build their characters unless they ask for advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    lol. He sent me a pm telling me not to post if I dont play anymore and that hes not going to post all the OBVIOUS ways he can tell....
    Guess he told you Imp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldCoaly View Post
    Some prestiges present visual cues - Sorc Savants (arm tumor, etc.).

    Others are indicated when you "Z" a character (Tempest, Stal Defender, etc.).

    It is also possible to ask directly without depending on inference.
    those would be good indications that the toon in question has one of those prestige enhancements.

    However, the lack of those indications does not prove that the character does not have any prestige classes.
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    Some people aren't native english speakers, that might explain the guy who didn't reply. Some players are only kids and are maybe 8-10 years old - you kind of have to develop a radar to spot them - which is usually the cause of players who appear ignorant or unskilled.

    Back in my teens I remember going to a D&D convention and kind of PuG roleplayed with other kids that just turned up. It was OK and all but nowhere near the same fun as the regular sessions I had at the weekends with my pals. DDO kind of tries to be faithful to the original game in that respect and I imagine it's a much better experience to play group content with people you know than people you don't.

    I must sympathize to a degree though with the sentiments expressed by the OP, my experience (elsewhere) with zergs, ninja looters and rage dictators has brought me to the conclusion that group content just isn't worth it.

    Boggled as to why the forum spellchecker has the word english underlined, for ****'s sake!

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    Stop complaining and just carry harder.
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    Buddha responds to OP: I don't have to be a teacher to everybody. Not everybody has to be my pupil.

    Think about it....
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    Stop the presses!

    This story must be completely untrue.

    The OP said it was on a pug raid.

    We all know those don't exist anymore.
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    You encountered someone you thought was gimp? And they still had the nerve to play? How dare they!


    Were they d-bags who were rude to everyone? Because no one wants to play with people like that.


    If they were simply, in your opinion, "gimp", what's the issue? They didn't build their character the way you would have built their character?
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