If I understand it properly he went down got some minor heals to get back up and was left to his own devices. Dude you are a Ranger you have healing spells and if not you should have pots afterall you joined a BYOH group!
This is why I try and avoid the BYOH scene, too many people interpreting what it means to suit them rather than just thinking about the group as a whole and working to complete the quest.
off of BASE quest XP only so more like -1 or 2% on most quests considering optionals, boosts, etc.
And realistically it's better than the guy going down for lack of heals and costing you 10% right?
I am not sure why people assume that hirelings are going to die. I have it happen VERY rarely to me, you just need to know how to manage them.
I throw up my byoh/zerg groups as a service to other people playing. I know that the groups have been a bit thin this summer so I figure if I'm going to run it anyways I'll give people a TR train to hitch a ride on. I could easily run through and solo the place, so much so that I can easily solo the place with full dungeon scaling as well. In fact, that's my criteria for posting one of those groups - if I can't do it myself with 5 pikers then I won't post a group.
If someone wants an easy completion, if they're too drunk to find their way through a quest, if they're on a terrible build and just trying to level up for a bit, they're more than welcome to join my groups. I couldn't care less about the 10% when I post these groups. I'll even try to help them out even if that help just involves running back to grab their stone and dropping it at the next shrine on my way by. Sometimes that's all the help I can give them...there's only so much you can do to keep a sub-100hp toon w/ low fort alive in level 7 elites...but I feel obligated to at least do that much and more if I can since I posted the group.
On topic though...it's really simple. No one is there to do anything for your character. In a byoh group you shouldn't expect any help from anyone at all. That said, we're all playing to have fun - don't be a jerk.
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That said though you don't see it because there isn't a way for every single toon regardless of build to be able to trap.
Now if they made Oil of Disarm Trap: light, Oil of Disarm Trap: moderate, Oil of Disarm Trap: serious, Oil of Disarm Trap: critical
These potions would partially disarm a trap depending by a percentage based on quest level, character level and potion level (in a low dungeon a Disarm Trap: critical would probably easily 100% disarm it in one shot). Thus regardless of how hard the trap was you could eventually disarm it by simply using enough Oil on the trap then I think you would certainly see this show up.
I mean look at the rather vocal minority of players out there, who to some dismay are becoming less and less the minority in this game!
No, it's not exactly the same as with divines. But there are classes that are simply not designed to properly heal themselves while doing their jobs efficiently, yet now all of a sudden they are supposed to be healers as well.
Again, I'm not surprised this game is in trouble in terms of attracting new players. Everyone blames the issues on Turbine, but the community itself bears much of the blame.
Last edited by Qaliya; 07-26-2013 at 02:11 PM.
I am all for playing the way you will, but don’t bring your gimp to a BYOH party. They may be having fun getting a grand tour of a dungeon in the backpack, but not everyone is a friendly tour guide.
Since I've been arguing the other side, I will say that I was just in a PUG where, among other things, there was a zerging barbarian with no healing amp who didn't drink pots, and another melee who ran ahead, got incap'ed and then went AFK (I saved him from dying, don't know why).
I commiserated with the cleric.
I was just in a BYOH party as my cleric. Didn't heal anyone other than myself, wanted too but didn't. People asked for heals and I told them if you wanted heals you shouldn't of joined this BYOH party. This thread has shown me the errors of my ways. So thanks everyone, I feel so liberated.
Don't be mean to me or my guild leader will kick your ^*&13th Circle, been saving your raids since '06
Same applies to divines: what would you do if you didn't have one in-party? Why don't you do that same thing after one joins?
Honestly, refusing to do what one's class does better than any other is deviant, and courtesy demands that such limitations be revealed prior to quest. Doing otherwise is fraud.
Edit: Fixed a censored word. :#
Last edited by Tscheuss; 07-26-2013 at 04:55 PM.
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I detest playing a barbarian but on heroic at least I haven't had much problem even with this archetypal heal-less class, and that's enough to get a TR done.
I actually had a hilarious barb life playing with a guild group with a Druid as our only healer--I'd charge off and kill things until my health got low then go find the Druid for a top-off. When my health started to get low I'd yell "I'm living dangerously again!"
With practice you get pretty good at judging how low you can get before you need to run for it. Not always perfect, of course, but having a sense of humor about it and teasing the healer really helps.
Last edited by PsychoBlonde; 07-26-2013 at 05:08 PM.
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