1. You admit you "might" have bit off more than you could handle.
2. Your ranger (a class with an autogrant of the diehard feat) managed to die while incapped.
3. You felt the need to bring this drama to the forums
4. You protest quite a bit any suggestion there might be another side to the story
5. You use a broad brush anyone who disagrees with you
6. You are quick to assign motives in addition to relaying the facts
My bet is that there is more to the story.
Same goes for BYOH, zerg or flowersniffing lfms. I usually like to zerg in heroic, so I don't join the "everybody's welcome" lfms, cause usually they tend to go to a slower pace and they require for you to adapt to their style. As much as I expect people to keep up with heals and speed if I post BYOH zerg.
Plus the teamwork argument is usually misunderstood by some players. Zerging and BYOH doesn't mean every man for himself, but every man does a percentage of a quest for example. So if in delera 4 1 person, let's say the cleric goes right by himself, leaving the left wing to the fighter, he's not leaving him to die there. They're simply maxing the xp/min ratio by doing each one a part of the quest at the same time. And that's why you need to be prepared to join some kind of lfms
I believe his goal is to create toons in such a way that it is guaranteed to annoy all of us at every opportunity. Although, is Artificer seemed to be set up like a normal XBow/Rune Arm Artificer. Maybe he was drunk that life.
All said, as long he doesnt die he isnt costing us 10% XP so we dont mind.
PS: Greensteel RUINED the game! and you all know it!
less buffing, more nerfing!!!
to make it easier for those of you that wants to avoid me in game, all my characters are in "Bladesworn Mercenaries"
I always thought BYOH meant the party would be splitting up to go faster so you'll have to take care of yourself. Most explorer slayer LFMs I see have BYOH because of that.
Don't be mean to me or my guild leader will kick your ^*&13th Circle, been saving your raids since '06
When my battle cleric Praetoreus joins a group, BYOH or not, he keeps his aura going and tosses cures/heals when needed. In all cases he expects people to make an effort to heal themselves, as well as take care of their own curses, poison, diseases, etc...
I have been in many BYOH groups where people would actually get upset if I healed someone. Their attitude was "if he needs a heal he shouldn't have been in the group at all." That just makes no sense to me. One group actually booted me after a the first quest in a chain, telling me it was BYOH and they didn't need a babysitter. This was after I basically did no healing other than aura and bursts and I raised one player one time.
I have no issue with letting mana sponges die the death they deserve. If your character literally requires a heal every ten seconds throughout the quest in order to survive, you're going to die if you're relying on Praetoreus to heal you. But if someone needs a heal during a particular fight, why wouldn't I give it to them? Because it's better for the party if they die, and then I can spend mana or a scroll to raise them?
On the other hand... If you join a BYOH party and expect the cleric (or FvS, or Bard, or Druid, or Arty, or anyone else) to heal you, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Even in a BYOH party, a good cleric will heal when necessary. But if your idea of "necessary" is "every time I get hit" then you shouldn't join a BYOH group.
All on Thelanis: Archenpaul Sixblade, Archernicus Thornwood, Gregorovic Redcloak, Hermanius Brightblade, Jaklomeo Evermug, Jonathraxius Kane, and Praetoreus Silvershield.
Cogito ergo summopere periculosus.
Yes, maybe he was a jerk, but I tend to wonder about the other side of the story.
For instance, how many other people were in this BYOH party? If there were more players in the group, were none of them capable of using heals, wands, or scrolls? Did none of them have a single aid clickie or something. Were they all really reliant on just potions? Or were they just PM or WF/w Repairs?
On the surface it seems weird to me that there was no one else in the group that could cast heals in some manner besides you and the Cleric, especially as it was a BYOH party. So was there no one else at all that could have helped you out when you were incap? And if there was someone else, why didn't they help you?
If there were other players who could at least UMD a scroll or wand in your party, then you should be as angry at them as you are with the Cleric, no? Surely, they would have the same "obligation"?
None the less however, thank you for the answer, and I'll try to remember this hostility you have towards me in the future and make an effort to avoid exchanges with you for our mutual benefit.
Last edited by Ungood; 07-25-2013 at 10:03 PM.
- Saw an Elite LFM up (No BYOH notice, thought its going to be a nice happy work together questing type, so I join)
- Divine was in the group (FVS to be exact)
- Quest started with no notice
- FVS toss a few buffs before everyone entered quest
- FVS zergs ahead with BB and implosion along the way and ONLY heals himself
- Rest of party arrives and struggles to kill strays and avoiding the traps that was triggered by the divine
- No heals or cure
- FVS reaches end boss and quest completed
- It has come to a point when you DO NOT need to play the quest together as a team anymore
- There is no more team work in DDO anymore.
I will try and help to heal others even if im in a byoh group and I don't have a cleric, especially if they are knocked down or something and can't heal themselves at that very moment, so yeah I will even heal a cleric. And im grateful for any outside healing I get while in a byoh group or any group for that matter.
What does annoy me though are those who join byoh groups and expect to be babysat ie the guy who runs around with 11hp for minutes at a time and doesn't even try and heal himself. OR those who do self heal then all of a sudden a cleric joins and they then decide to play like idiots, oh a cleric join the group so its his job to chase after me and watch my red bar!!!.
Anyway hey another BYOH thread........how long till the next one?
Last edited by NaturalHazard; 07-25-2013 at 10:38 PM.
To be quite honest, I am ambivalent about you.
Anyway, I personally don't see this going anywhere, so this is where I say, Good day.
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