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    Default You can have less than 100% chance of UMDing a scroll - there is still a chance

    Just met another arti without fairly important scrolls (we won't go into which scrolls and why exactly and in which situation but anyway...). They had a UMD of 26 and the particular scroll that it would have been SERIOUSLY USEFUL for them to have used at that point of time has a UMD 36.

    Now in my confusion I do remember that for a long time I remember thinking while learning this game "oh it's not 100%". It took a while for the penny to drop that that doesn't matter. That a 50% chance is 1 in 2 chances for the scroll to activate. A 75% chance is 3 in 4 chances, 12% is 1/8, and even 10% being 1 in 10 is still worth a shot and mostly likely worth it if you have a stack of 100 of the particular scroll.

    The wiki says it semi clearly: "Scrolls can have less than a 100% chance of working even in normal use. If the character also has UMD trained, the better chance of success is used. " I'm one of those people who likes practical examples as per the paragraph above.

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    What Lvl Arti?
    What Scrolls exactly {assuming Raise Dead}?
    Was Arti 1st Life by any chance?


    Raise Dead and Heal Scrolls are NOT cheap!

    I'd consider a 50% chance with DDO's Weighted Rolls on such things to be more like a 20% chance frankly!
    75% {fails more than 50% of the time} Chance would be the minimum that as a first life character with little spare cash I'd be willing to chance scrolls EXCEPT in DIRE Emergencies!


    If I have a stack of 100 Heal Scrolls and 100 Raise Dead Scrolls - That's quite a chunk of Plat I've spent - I want as many of them as possible to count!

    If I am a Newbie and have 20 of each as I can't afford to buy 100 stacks I want EVERY SINGLE ONE to count!


    For Vets and Multiple TRs - We {some of us that is} have our Named Items, Pots, Wands, Scrolls, Clickies etc. etc. etc.
    We may have a character or two at Epic Levels Raiding every day or Farming Epic Quests and as such always have Plat available in abundance!

    Newbies {and many Experienced Players who don't go in for Farming} DON'T!

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    a stack of 10 raise dead scrolls is about 6K plat and perfect for being the hero when the party is faced with a wipe. sure you can expect more from a vet, but as a newbie i got a real kick from being able to do things like that. these days of course i maintain that stack of 100, but there is no reason you have to start that high, nor feel bad if a stack of 10 doesnt last the quest.

    i'd not demand a newbie have such scrolls, but for some i'm sure the 6K plat is worth the price for the chance to save the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperAlexEU View Post
    a stack of 10 raise dead scrolls is about 6K plat and perfect for being the hero when the party is faced with a wipe. sure you can expect more from a vet, but as a newbie i got a real kick from being able to do things like that. these days of course i maintain that stack of 100, but there is no reason you have to start that high, nor feel bad if a stack of 10 doesnt last the quest.

    i'd not demand a newbie have such scrolls, but for some i'm sure the 6K plat is worth the price for the chance to save the day
    Same re a newbie. I wouldn't demand anyone really. It was more I was just surprised - until I thought about it and wondered if they had had the same confusion that I had had. When I went to another server I got the same fun too And started out with as little resources. (Rezzing people on a fresh level 7 arti is way cool )

    This was level 14 and the people concerned should have had plenty of resources available.

    Anyway, the key point being, the wiki possibly doesn't express it clearly and I know it took me a while to latch on - just because it's not 100% doesn't mean it won't work - it just decreases your chances a little bit and you may have to use up a couple of scrolls.

    (And lately I've been having the occasional fail on 110% which are not interrupted - yes the game can be buggy).


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    Always an awesome feeling when an actually dangerous low level dungeon turns into roflstomp zerg after UMDing blur and stoneskin scrolls. Tear of Dakhaan comes to mind. UMD is no brainer.
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    was it 26 fully buffed? cause if its not, gh can raise that by 4..........add in some other things.

    I still carried raise scrolls and would use em even with a 75% chance is still worth the cost, especially if its a long way to carry their stone back to a shrine or something.

    I didn't have that problem of misunderstanding the % thing I thought it was a % chance of success it would of been comical if I had been wrong and you *did* need 100% to get it to work.

    I can imagine myself getting frustrated after trying 10 times at 75% and having it fail and wondering ***?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    I'd consider a 50% chance with DDO's Weighted Rolls on such things to be more like a 20% chance frankly!
    LOL. I was about to make the same point. I joke with my guildies that a 95% chance of success translates to a 100% chance of failure if you are desperate for the scroll to go off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeliCat View Post
    Just met another arti without fairly important scrolls (we won't go into which scrolls and why exactly and in which situation but anyway...). They had a UMD of 26 and the particular scroll that it would have been SERIOUSLY USEFUL for them to have used at that point of time has a UMD 36.

    Now in my confusion I do remember that for a long time I remember thinking while learning this game "oh it's not 100%". It took a while for the penny to drop that that doesn't matter. That a 50% chance is 1 in 2 chances for the scroll to activate. A 75% chance is 3 in 4 chances, 12% is 1/8, and even 10% being 1 in 10 is still worth a shot and mostly likely worth it if you have a stack of 100 of the particular scroll.

    The wiki says it semi clearly: "Scrolls can have less than a 100% chance of working even in normal use. If the character also has UMD trained, the better chance of success is used. " I'm one of those people who likes practical examples as per the paragraph above.

    http://ddowiki.com/page/UMD
    So you gave him the scrolls for free and he refused to even try to use them because his chance to succeed was less than 100%?

    Wow, he seems like a tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobrien316 View Post
    So you gave him the scrolls for free and he refused to even try to use them because his chance to succeed was less than 100%?

    Wow, he seems like a tool.
    No this is not the case at all. He's fine. But I am curious if he has had the same confusion about UMD I did which is why this thread.

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    So you died and it's the puggers fault for not raising you?

    Also it only needs a UMD score of 35+dice
    :P *Not* his fault for not raising me - I am quite capable of dying with no assistance and no one around all by myself! No, I was just more surprised and chatting he said a previous raise to someone else had been from a clickie so I asked about scrolls and therefore my surprise.


    And I do agree about DDO seeming to be a little flakey with UMD and also sometimes desperately not working right when you want it. (Drat that heal scroll! If that heal scroll had just worked then!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MeliCat View Post
    Just met another arti without fairly important scrolls (we won't go into which scrolls and why exactly and in which situation but anyway...). They had a UMD of 26 and the particular scroll that it would have been SERIOUSLY USEFUL for them to have used at that point of time has a UMD 36.

    Now in my confusion I do remember that for a long time I remember thinking while learning this game "oh it's not 100%". It took a while for the penny to drop that that doesn't matter. That a 50% chance is 1 in 2 chances for the scroll to activate. A 75% chance is 3 in 4 chances, 12% is 1/8, and even 10% being 1 in 10 is still worth a shot and mostly likely worth it if you have a stack of 100 of the particular scroll.

    The wiki says it semi clearly: "Scrolls can have less than a 100% chance of working even in normal use. If the character also has UMD trained, the better chance of success is used. " I'm one of those people who likes practical examples as per the paragraph above.

    http://ddowiki.com/page/UMD

    So you died and it's the puggers fault for not raising you?

    Also it only needs a UMD score of 35+dice
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