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    Default Dragonmarks? Dragonmarks? Dragonmarks?

    In one of the developer comments last year it was mentioned that further tiers of dragonmarks would be enhancements, not feats. (as in take the least dragonmark of X as feat and then take lesser and greater as enhancements)

    Current situation on Lamania:
    - Continued Dragonmarks are still feats.
    - Dragonmark enhancement lines(more uses) that exist on live servers are gone.

    Thus instead of improvement it is a step down for dragonmarks. (That have never been very special to begin with, more a "fun thing")

    I hope that this is an oversight that will be fixed before the things go live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvirini View Post
    In one of the developer comments last year it was mentioned that further tiers of dragonmarks would be enhancements, not feats. (as in take the least dragonmark of X as feat and then take lesser and greater as enhancements)

    Current situation on Lamania:
    - Continued Dragonmarks are still feats.
    - Dragonmark enhancement lines(more uses) that exist on live servers are gone.

    Thus instead of improvement it is a step down for dragonmarks. (That have never been very special to begin with, more a "fun thing")

    I hope that this is an oversight that will be fixed before the things go live.
    Check again. The feats are still there, yes, but any race with Dragonmarks now have a series of enhancements on the far left of the racials which give the lesser and greater marks, as well as some getting a new ability or two. They are far too expensive for their limited value, still don't regenerate uses making them even less useful, and given the poor design on the enhancement overhaul in general, still a gimp choice because taking any racials just takes too many ap from the class stuff that is vastly too expensive to get to because of incredibly poor design.
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    Hmm.. yes, seems like some races have them indeed. Just checked on the characters that actually had dragonmarks, not others. Atleast drow seem to be missing them, have to check the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvirini View Post
    Hmm.. yes, seems like some races have them indeed. Just checked on the characters that actually had dragonmarks, not others. Atleast drow seem to be missing them, have to check the others.
    Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there
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    i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.

    Purple knight has no dragonmarks in enhancements and still can choose any human dragonmark feat

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    IMHO halfling's dragonmarks are very handy especially when they can be empowered by Maximize feat or empower healing feat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanesa View Post
    i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.

    Purple knight has no dragonmarks in enhancements and still can choose any human dragonmark feat


    Drow's having access is a bug (though i've been so tempted to make a drow with the dragonmarks...

    Purple dragon knight and all faerun-born characters will not have access to dragonmarks. That they currently do is a bug. So there is no need for them to have dragonmark enhancements

    Also, the first tier enhancement grants extra uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyDuck81 View Post
    Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there
    Here's a drow with the mark of shadows, same as elves. Roll one up on live or lamannia and you'll see for yourself.



    The Faerun iconics don't get a dragonmark feat at character creation, but they still have them available as feats when they're levelling up - hopefully that gets fixed too.

    I can cope with the old Eberron lore being extended to drow, but can't reconcile it with Faerun characters

    Just give drow the same shadow line that Elves get but keep the SLA's for flavour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyDuck81 View Post
    Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there
    Tell that to my drow paladin on live servers that is very happy with the displacement mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanesa View Post
    i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.
    It has "always" been there. Drow can take the hiding dragonmarks and the displacement one is nice for melee types.

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    The Shadow line seems so appropriate for Drow. The Shadar-kai seem to have their own variation, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azrael4h View Post
    ... still don't regenerate uses making them even less useful...
    Do all the various Extra Action Boost enhancements also increase your DM uses per rest, though?

    Heal 3/rest plus some Cure Wounds with free metas is very useful for 1 feat and some AP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvirini View Post
    It has "always" been there. Drow can take the hiding dragonmarks and the displacement one is nice for melee types.
    That is a bug so dont be upset if they fix it some day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    That is a bug so dont be upset if they fix it some day
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    Default Elf Dragonmarks nerfed

    The new enhancement system has the same Dragonmark abilities as the old feat system, EXCEPT for the Elven and Dwarf races.

    Human - existing feat and new enhancement systems:
    Lesser Finding: Knock; Greater Finding: Treasure Finding
    Lesser Making: Repair Serious Damage; Greater Making; Reconstruct
    Lesser Passage: Dimension Door; Greater Passage: Teleport
    Lesser Sentinel: Protection from Energy (Elements with new system); Greater Sentinel: Globe of Invulnerability

    Halfling - existing feat and new enhancement systems:
    Lesser Dragonmark: Cure Serious Wounds
    Greater Dragonmark: Heal

    Half-Elf and Half-Orc are similarly the same.

    Dwarf - existing feat system:
    Lesser Dragonmark: Glyph of Warding
    Greater Dragonmark: Greater Glyph of Warding

    Dwarf - new enhancement system:
    Lesser Dragonmark: Spell Resistance
    Greater Dragonmark: Radiant Forcefield

    I’m not familiar with the Dwarf dragonmark abilities, so cannot comment on these changes.

    Elf - existing feat system:
    Lesser Dragonmark: Displacement
    Greater Dragonmark: Shadow Walk

    Elf - new enhancement system:
    Lesser Dragonmark: Shadow Walk
    Greater Dragonmark: Displacement

    I am very familiar with the Elf dragonmark abilities. I have a Level 20 Elf Rogue that has the Lesser Dagonmark of Shadow feat with the Extra Dragonmark Use IV enhancement. The existing system provides 6 Displacement uses per rest at 2 min 30 sec duration each. With the proposed Lamannia change that reverses the order of the abilities, Displacement costs 5 AP more as a Greater Dragonmark and can only be used 4 times per rest.

    Why was this changed; was this a mistake or intentional? The new system provides less capability. Please change it back to match the order that’s granted in the existing feat system.

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    The Halfling dragomarks are fairly useful in the 1-20 game, but 4 heals in epics isn't worth the feat and all the AP I'm afraid.

    I wish they regened, or were on a timer, instead of limited by number of uses...

    Being able to spend some AP for mass heal would be nice too...

    I'd love to see all the dragonmarks strengthened... They are an interesting twist to gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    The Halfling dragomarks are fairly useful in the 1-20 game, but 4 heals in epics isn't worth the feat and all the AP I'm afraid.

    I wish they regened, or were on a timer, instead of limited by number of uses...

    Being able to spend some AP for mass heal would be nice too...

    I'd love to see all the dragonmarks strengthened... They are an interesting twist to gameplay.
    Still better than nothing. You can maximize or empower them. Maximize (+Empower) is best for least and lesser. Greater can be made stronger by Empower Healing. With PDKs heal amp it still can save you from death when healer is too slow.

    you should have 8x CLW + 6x CSW + 4x Heal. If you Max least and lesser and with some spell power, you should be able to cure aprx 1300HP per rest (50clw, 100csw, 150heal)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanesa View Post
    Still better than nothing. You can maximize or empower them. Maximize (+Empower) is best for least and lesser. Greater can be made stronger by Empower Healing. With PDKs heal amp it still can save you from death when healer is too slow.

    you should have 8x CLW + 6x CSW + 4x Heal. If you Max least and lesser and with some spell power, you should be able to cure aprx 1300HP per rest (50clw, 100csw, 150heal)
    Yes, with healing amp and even just a little devotion/spell-power, you can get 400-500 point heals... But only 4 of them (use to be 5).

    The 100 point CSW are still very useful in the 1-20 content, not so much in epic. That's my point...

    I've had a Halfling with the healing dragonmarks for 5-6 years now. They are just becoming less and less useful. I was hoping this enhancement pass would buff them and make them more viable, not less. I think the dragonmark system is very cool, and would live to see all the dragonmarks get a little buffing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Yes, with healing amp and even just a little devotion/spell-power, you can get 400-500 point heals... But only 4 of them (use to be 5).

    The 100 point CSW are still very useful in the 1-20 content, not so much in epic. That's my point...

    I've had a Halfling with the healing dragonmarks for 5-6 years now. They are just becoming less and less useful. I was hoping this enhancement pass would buff them and make them more viable, not less. I think the dragonmark system is very cool, and would live to see all the dragonmarks get a little buffing.
    Do Empower, Maximize and Empower Healing stack?

    There will be two feats slots free. I can fill them with something. Another free feat slot is after Toughness becomes not required for every build.

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