What I don't expect is for anyone to ever feel they have to have any class splashes or cross class abilities as that should be in the realm of personalization. If the game doesn't work that way, then the problem lies with the game, not the players lack of bending it into some form that does work.
Oh, and the class that gets a mass healing ability first is Artificer.
And all sorts of healing abilities are available to every class via Epic Destinies.
The absurd single-minded attempts to force all Clr and FvS, and only Clr & FvS, to be everyone else's little hjeal-b!(#3$ really gets tiresome.
If you don't have a blue bar, ya you probably are taking a spot that someone else could fill better. I personally don't care - but it's obvious that you do. So get with the freakin program. Since the classes in question (Cleric, FvS) DO have a blue bar, they are, in general, much better at EVERYTHING than that other class that doesn't have it. Ironically, most of the classes that DO have a blue bar also happen to be quite good at taking care of themselves healing-wise, at least in certain incarnations of their class.
Or, why aren't you just asking everyone to contribute, instead of getting hung up on what class icon they have? Do you really care if the Sorc tanks the boss and the Fighter picks off the enemies high up and the Ranger heals, and the Wizzy gets the locks and traps, and the FvS CCs? As long as they are all getting the job done?
You agreed that there shouldn't be an assumption of how people play, and above you say that assumption is how it works...
there will always be players that want someone to be their hjeal-b(#3$, but ive seen a trend for quite sometime now that are learning to play without healers because its too much of a hassle to find one and too much of a hassle to find one that wont complain by being a team player and help out with a heal once in awhile like the rangers, bards, druids, paladins do.
The better we know each other or the more ties we have in common, the less this tends to matter as trust and accountability enters into things.
It's not teamwork when it only applies to Clr/FvS. It's class bigotry.
Clerics and Favored Souls get devotion enhancements they can increase. they than would have to take feats to boost it more on top of the other melee focused feats that are required to fulfill pre-reqs and for general combat. than they would have to figure out a way to fill a slot to boost it more with an item without losing out on dps. to boost it more they could use clickies and ardor pots every few minutes which could be wasted if they aren't continuously healing.
Boy, that was easy!
All of which is still beside the point.
What I mean is that not completing is almost inconceivable. It might take resources, it might even take re-entries. But we will complete.
Having a good grounding the the basics of a broad range of things does not prevent someone from also having a specialty.
Do you think doctors shouldn't be able to change a flat tire or cook their own dinner, or lawyers shouldn't be able to do CPR or other basic first aid?
And if you're referring to Clr & FvS, which have been a topic of this conversation, I think you're way off base if you think that's a slot better filled by someone else. But whatever. If you prefer not to run with Clr/FvS, that's your preference.
yeah, I feel the class bigotry. I play a ranger so I know all about it. I prefer the word classist though.
you do realize you are making yourself out to look foolish by saying that a fvs is the same as a ranger and paladins in healing, but keep going because I like a good laugh.
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