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    Default To Everyone Who Claimed Sorcs Wouldnt Be DOA on Launch

    eat your words

    "its just alpha"
    "its just beta"

    official confirmation that the sorc will not only be DOA on expansion, but likely U20 as well. so yes, your sorc is going to be useless, and theres nothing the devs care to do about it, in fact they havent cared since alpha.

    enjoy your 50% spell damage nerf! not to mention the end of scroll healing, for a class that was already inferior in every way to the wizard except wrt damage output

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    eat your words

    "its just alpha"
    "its just beta"

    official confirmation that the sorc will not only be DOA on expansion, but likely U20 as well. so yes, your sorc is going to be useless, and theres nothing the devs care to do about it
    that just depends on your definition of "dead".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    eat your words

    "its just alpha"
    "its just beta"

    official confirmation that the sorc will not only be DOA on expansion, but likely U20 as well. so yes, your sorc is going to be useless, and theres nothing the devs care to do about it, in fact they havent cared since alpha.

    enjoy your 50% spell damage nerf! not to mention the end of scroll healing, for a class that was already inferior in every way to the wizard except wrt damage output

    Please show the DEV statement confirming this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    eat your words

    "its just alpha"
    "its just beta"

    official confirmation that the sorc will not only be DOA on expansion, but likely U20 as well. so yes, your sorc is going to be useless, and theres nothing the devs care to do about it, in fact they havent cared since alpha.

    enjoy your 50% spell damage nerf! not to mention the end of scroll healing, for a class that was already inferior in every way to the wizard except wrt damage output
    Reality is they will not be dead just a different type of play style. That what I do not like about it. Playing a Warforge Sorc will be very much alive as the enchantment system stands. Playing any other type will be dead. It just limits the play styles as is. That is the main problem I have with it. Not that it kills the class. Does it hurt my build as is, "YES".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    enjoy your 50% spell damage nerf!
    This is absolutely not true and people need to stop spouting it.

    not to mention the end of scroll healing
    This is actually worth complaining about and should be changed.

    Also there are no useless classes. Even with nerfs, there are no useless classes because this game is easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    for a class that was already inferior in every way to the wizard except wrt damage output
    Also untrue.

    SOrcs get faster casting, faster cooldowns, double spellpoints from items, and more spellpoints in general.

    You don't seem like you really understand the sorc class, with that statement.

    Enjoy your serving of doom and gloom though.

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    im so full with ppl whining about this...
    we got it. there were maybe 238754 threads about it.
    ppl spammin this thing over and over...
    seems that your overpowered sorcs get a huge nerf.
    and the new pass is not out yet. just imagine of what will happen when it will come Live...
    untill it gets live, so we see what will happen, it would be awesome if u all could just stop spammin this
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikos1313 View Post
    im so full with ppl whining about this...
    we got it. there were maybe 238754 threads about it.
    ppl spammin this thing over and over...
    seems that your overpowered sorcs get a huge nerf.
    and the new pass is not out yet. just imagine of what will happen when it will come Live...
    untill it gets live, so we see what will happen, it would be awesome if u all could just stop spammin this
    In what world are sorcs still the over-powered class (outside of Shiradi, which is largely unaffected by enhancement changes except for a minor dip in force damage)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eris2323 View Post
    Also untrue.

    SOrcs get faster casting, faster cooldowns, double spellpoints from items, and more spellpoints in general.

    You don't seem like you really understand the sorc class, with that statement.

    Enjoy your serving of doom and gloom though.
    Youre talking about 2 different things, neither of which refute the other.

    Hes talking about a damage nerf. Faster casting, faster cooldowns, double spellpoints from items, and more spellpoints in general doesnt refute a damage nerf. While I dont see it as 50%, there is a damage nerf.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WruntJunior View Post
    In what world are sorcs still the over-powered class (outside of Shiradi, which is largely unaffected by enhancement changes except for a minor dip in force damage)?
    right, i wanted to say
    ''seems that your ONCE overpowered sorcs get a huge nerf.''

    and once u mention shiradi, i would like to see that get a nerf instead of sorcs.

    anywayz, all i wanted to say is ''stop whinning ffs, we are full of it''!! there are enough threads about this already, nothin will change with more threads. just wait and see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikos1313 View Post
    right, i wanted to say
    ''seems that your ONCE overpowered sorcs get a huge nerf.''
    I think Melee are currently way ahead of arcanes and not even playing the same game as divines.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikos1313 View Post
    and once u mention shiradi, i would like to see that get a nerf instead of sorcs.
    I think Shiradi is fun to play. I don't have one on live, but playing one for a bit on the test server makes me want to build one. I would love to see DC casting made viable so that arcane's had more viable options, but I don't see a need to nerf shiradi.

    The enhancement pass seems to boost the power of a wizard shiradi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Youre talking about 2 different things, neither of which refute the other.

    Hes talking about a damage nerf. Faster casting, faster cooldowns, double spellpoints from items, and more spellpoints in general doesnt refute a damage nerf. While I dont see it as 50%, there is a damage nerf.
    Actually, I only quoted part of the message, because that's the part where he is entirely wrong.

    He seems to think wizards are more powerful than sorcs currently - and that is patently untrue; and, I may even say - if it's not ignorance, it's a full out lie.

    Don't really care to argue the small points. Others can do that. I went on lam, had fun with my sorc, still did awesome damage; with more sla's, so I conserved spell points even better.

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    wizards were never more powerfull than sorcs. and the gap is bigger after the EDs
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikos1313 View Post
    wizards were never more powerfull than sorcs. and the gap is bigger after the EDs
    You sorc players make me laugh. smashing the same 4 buttons over and over again, pretending you're uber. spraying no-miss spells like otilukes, cone of cold, dragon breath and energy burst.

    One day you'll grown up and learn wizard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotMaarl View Post
    You sorc players make me laugh. smashing the same 4 buttons over and over again, pretending you're uber. spraying no-miss spells like otilukes, cone of cold, dragon breath and energy burst.

    One day you'll grown up and learn wizard.
    hhmm.. u know, u r talking to someone who does not even have a sorc...
    i have a 4 lifer wizzy PM and definatelly not a shiradi also.
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    My WF melee sorc looked at his axe and told me he doesnt see any damage nerf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishr View Post
    eat your words

    "its just alpha"
    "its just beta"

    official confirmation that the sorc will not only be DOA on expansion, but likely U20 as well. so yes, your sorc is going to be useless, and theres nothing the devs care to do about it, in fact they havent cared since alpha.

    enjoy your 50% spell damage nerf! not to mention the end of scroll healing, for a class that was already inferior in every way to the wizard except wrt damage output
    They'll be dead for you. They'll only loose 50% damage for anyone who can't do math. For anyone with 1) the desire to play a sorc, and 2) an ounce of creativity; they'll be alive and blasting


    Quote Originally Posted by dragonofsteel2 View Post
    Reality is they will not be dead just a different type of play style. That what I do not like about it. Playing a Warforge Sorc will be very much alive as the enchantment system stands. Soloing any other type will be dead...
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    Default Why no scroll healing ?

    Did I missi t why cant they use a scroll ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOnly_LightInDark View Post
    Did I missi t why cant they use a scroll ?
    Oh, they can still use them just fine. However, they can't amplify them via wand and scroll mastery. According to all the *ahem* "experts" on the subject: If something can't be jacked up it's "useless." (btw, "useless" is the buzzword for "less effective than it once was")
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    For anyone with 1) the desire to play a sorc, and 2) an ounce of creativity; they'll be alive and blasting
    You are absolutely right, they will still be quite capable of running around and blasting things. They will just be relatively terrible at it. But hey, it seems that there are a few people who are happy to have their Sorcerers doing less damage than Wizards, with their larger spell point bars and cooldowns making up for it. And they will certainly be "alive and blasting" in the easier content and pretending that they are doing an awesome job, without realizing just what 'awesome' actually is. Because as it stands, nearly ready to go live now, the only Sorcerers who are not a relative waste of a party slot are the ones who splashed Paladin for the saves and do nothing but Shiradi Spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    Oh, they can still use them just fine. However, they can't amplify them via wand and scroll mastery. According to all the *ahem* "experts" on the subject: If something can't be jacked up it's "useless." (btw, "useless" is the buzzword for "less effective than it once was")
    If by "just fine" you mean "having to pull out of combat for a much longer period of time, since a single Heal Scroll is no longer even as much healing as a single melee hit's worth of damage" then yea. That should be "just fine". Sure.

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