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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    I'd like to see for a battle caster type of PrE that is focused around short range, extreme burst damage PB and PBAoE range spells. What I don't want to see is a melee focused battle caster PrE that depends on weapon DPS. I really despise the gearing requirements for hybrid-type characters, and that's why I play a sorc rather than a druid or divine.
    What's PB?
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    this is my suggestion for the aots,
    Core abilities:

    T1: Choose a skin type to bond with, Fey Celestrial Devil or demon, for each point spent in this tree you get
    Fey:0.5 universal sp, 0.5 acid sp
    Celestrial 0.5 universal sp, 0.5 light sp
    devil 0.5 universal sp, 0.5 electric sp
    Demon 0.5 universal sp, 0.5 fire sp
    T2: Bonuses based on your skin
    Fey +2cha +5 profane acid resist
    Celestrial +2wis +5 profane light resistance
    Demon +2con +5 profane fire resist
    Devil +2int +5 profane electric resist
    T3: +1mcl/cl to spells from your skin type another +5 profane resistance dependant on skin type
    T4: a SLA granted based on your skin type
    Fey:Acid fog
    Celestrial:sunburst
    Demon: delayed blast fireball
    Devil:Cahin lightning
    (all of these would have fairy significant cds 20-30 seconds ish)
    T5: SKIN TOGGLE: You gain a form based on your skin:
    Fey:+4char +2wis you are now treated as a chaotic outsider gain dr 15/evil cold iron, immunity to charm
    Celestrial: +4wis +2cha you are now treated as a lawful ousider gain dr 15 evil/magic, immunity to blind
    Demon:+4con +2str you are now treated as a chatoic ousider and gain dr 15 good/silver, immunity to poison
    Devil:+4int +2cha you are now treated as a lawful ousider and gain dr 15 good/cold iron, immunity to desiese


    Tier 1:

    SLA based on your skin
    Fey:acid spray
    Celestrial:nimbus of light
    Demon: burning hands
    Devil:shocking grasp
    Skin resistance, 3 rank, 2 AP each: 5/10/20 sacred resistance acording to your skin type
    Skincraft 3 ranks 1ap you gain 1/2/3 to a speech skill depending on your skin type, and at rank 3 you dont fail that skill check on a 1
    Fey:bluff
    Celestrial:diplomacy
    demon: intimidate
    Devil:bluff
    Skin Spell Crit chance I 2ap: +2% to spells apropriate to your skin type (fey acid, celestrial light, demon fire, devil electric)



    Tier 2:

    -
    Efficient Metamagic

    Pierce Skin Resistance (Pre Req Skin Resistance) 3 ranks, 2 AP each: You bypass 5/10/15 resistance depending on skin type

    Skin Spell Crit chance II 2ap: +2% to spells apropriate to your skin type (fey acid, celestrial light, demon fire, devil electric)

    Toughned skin 1ap 3 ranks: you gain 1/2/3 natural armour and 2/4/6 prr
    Tier 3:

    -
    Efficient Metamagic

    Spell pen 3 ranks, 1 ap each: +1/2/3 Spell pen

    Skin Spell Crit chance II 2ap: +2% to spells apropriate to your skin type (fey acid, celestrial light, demon fire, devil electric) 4:

    Skin aura 2ap 3 ranks: you gain an aura based on your skin type
    Fey:15%/20%/25% concealment
    Celestrial:+1/2/3 sacred bonus to saves
    Demon:+5/10/15hp and 2/4/6 prr
    Devil: fear guard

    +1cha or con 2ap
    Tier 4
    Efficient Metamagic

    +1cha or +1con 2ap

    SLA based on your skin type 1ap 3 ranks
    Feyttos resistable dance
    Celestrial:lesser restoration
    demon:daze monster
    Devil:hypnotic pattern

    Camoflaged skin 1ap 3 ranks: your skin helps you blend in +2/4/6 to hide

    Infernal spellcasting 2ap 3 ranks: toggle ability, while toggled on you loose 3/2/1 con per spellcast(can be removed normaly, stacking) but you gain 50 to spellpower while this is active

    Tier 5:

    SLA based on skin type 1ap 3 ranks
    Fey:suggestion
    Celestrialrayer
    Demon:rage
    Devil:haste

    skin spellcasting 2ap 1rank: gain 1CL/MCL to spells of your skin type

    evocation focus 2ap 1 rank:gain +1 to the dcs of your evocation spells

    Call ally 2ap 1 rank: call an ally based on your skin type
    Fey: nymph
    Celestrial:archon
    Demon:hezrou
    devilrthon

    thanks for reading cant wait to see what its actually like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    There a couple of ideas being discussed in the Closed beta/Enhancements thread about the new Sorcerer's PrE. The first one is the Battlemage and the second one is a charm based PrE.

    IMHO, giving Sorcerers a prestige like Battlemage will result in very few people taking it. That is because noone will ever prefer a Battlemage to a pure melee or a pure caster oriented build.

    A charm based PrE would just be hated by the entire party. Try to bring it in Prison of Planes-like quests and you will make everyone mad.

    These are my personal opinions about these 2 kind of PrEs.

    That's why, what Sorcerers' need is a more defensive focused PrE but with some offensive that coupled with the Sorcerers spells will make a decent build. That's why I decided to give this suggestion its own thread: TO DISCUSS ONLY ABOUT THIS PRE AND MY SUGGESTION, to brainstorm, feedback and maybe to come up with something that Devs may consider.

    This is a copy-past from the above mentioned thread:






    The trees with the new system could be arranged with something like this:

    Core abilities:

    T1: Immunity to poison, +2 con,
    T2: +1 MCL/CL
    T3: Immunity to disease, +2 con,
    T4: +1 MCL/CL
    T5: DEMON SKIN TOGGLE: Immunity to blindness, +2 con, +1 MCL/CL, +25 Fire Spell power, 25 DR/-


    Tier 1:

    Demonic rays Spell SLA
    Fire resistance, 3 rank, 2 AP each: 10/20/30 Fire resistance
    Elemental Resistance, 3 rank, 1 AP each: 2/4/6 Cold, Electric, Acid, Sonic Resistance
    Spell Crit chance I: +2% to Fire spells
    Electrocution for Fire spells.


    Tier 2:

    -
    Efficient Metamagic
    Pierce Dragon Resistance (Pre Req Elemental Resistance) 3 ranks, 2 AP each: You bypass 5/15/25 Fire resistance
    Spell crit chance II: +2% to Fire Spells
    Cha +2


    Tier 3:

    -
    Efficient Metamagic
    Spell pen 3 ranks, 1 ap each: +1/2/3 Spell pen
    Spell crit chance III: +2% to Fire Spells
    Cha +2


    Tier 4:

    Demonic Roar SLA: DC 15 + Half Character level + Cha mod + Fear based effect enhancements (like the one in the Draconic Incarnation)
    Efficient Metamagic
    Dodge I: +2% dodge
    Spell Crit chance: +2% to Fire spells
    Cha +2


    Tier 5:

    Demonic Fireball SLA
    -
    Dodge II: +2% dodge
    -
    Fearless demon, 2 ranks, 2 AP each: +1/+2 DC to Fear based Spells (our T5 SLA)



    Run out of time, might add something more later. Tell me what you think about this, I actually like it (crazy, right?)
    No, no and more no.

    People will hate a battlemage? Oh yeah, just you need to look how impopular its the Jugg build.. Nobody its doing something like this, right? RIGHT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    No, no and more no.

    People will hate a battlemage? Oh yeah, just you need to look how impopular its the Jugg build.. Nobody its doing something like this, right? RIGHT?
    Totally another thing. Artificiers =! Sorc. Artificiers are per se a battlemage class. They are built for it. Sorcerers are not. Sorcs would not make a good battlemage, now nor never. Now, move on and don't go OFF TOPIC anymore. Go discuss your battlemage somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    Totally another thing. Artificiers =! Sorc. Artificiers are per se a battlemage class. They are built for it. Sorcerers are not. Sorcs would not make a good battlemage, now nor never. Now, move on and don't go OFF TOPIC anymore. Go discuss your battlemage somewhere else.
    Except your wrong Sorcs were actually the first successful Battlemage in DDO it wasn't until Wizards got Palemaster and the release of Arty until others started popping up and the second those abilities were shown to create battlemages the varying builds spread like wildfire.

    Actually with the advent of Purple Dragon Knight and their lovely Comryian Knight Training Sorc Battlemages have gotten even easier to make the only real question is what to splash other than 1-2 PDK levels...2 rogue for evasion, umd and trap skills...2 Pally for massive saves...maybe 2 monk instead for evasion and 2 bonus feats.

    We get that YOU don't like battle mages but their a very popular build and you saying their not is just plain wrong...IOW feel free to have an opinion but don't presume your opinion is fact.

    Anyways you may return to making your Fire Savant Lite.


    Side note: The symbol your looking for is =/= not =!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    Except your wrong Sorcs were actually the first successful Battlemage in DDO it wasn't until Wizards got Palemaster and the release of Arty until others started popping up and the second those abilities were shown to create battlemages the varying builds spread like wildfire.

    Actually with the advent of Purple Dragon Knight and their lovely Comryian Knight Training Sorc Battlemages have gotten even easier to make the only real question is what to splash other than 1-2 PDK levels...2 rogue for evasion, umd and trap skills...2 Pally for massive saves...maybe 2 monk instead for evasion and 2 bonus feats.

    We get that YOU don't like battle mages but their a very popular build and you saying their not is just plain wrong...IOW feel free to have an opinion but don't presume your opinion is fact.

    Anyways you may return to making your Fire Savant Lite.


    Side note: The symbol your looking for is =/= not =!
    The first AND ONlY successful Battlemage was and is still Tukaw, which is nowhere near as popular as you think. I've seen ONE in my DDO life. 2pal, 2rog, 2mnk splashes are not battlemages. They are just splashes for saves/evasion, nothing more. I gave you the numbers of battlemages (Tukaws) out there (60). Tell me more how popular they are please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    The first AND ONlY successful Battlemage was and is still Tukaw, which is nowhere near as popular as you think. I've seen ONE in my DDO life. 2pal, 2rog, 2mnk splashes are not battlemages. They are just splashes for saves/evasion, nothing more. I gave you the numbers of battlemages (Tukaws) out there (60). Tell me more how popular they are please

    =! is commonly used in forums. Thanks. Bye.
    tukaw is so unpopular that is the base of jugg, fyi 2pal+2monk in a cha based toon? tons of lols guaranteed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    Totally another thing. Artificiers =! Sorc. Artificiers are per se a battlemage class. They are built for it. Sorcerers are not. Sorcs would not make a good battlemage, now nor never. Now, move on and don't go OFF TOPIC anymore. Go discuss your battlemage somewhere else.
    i will go discuss wherever i want. Make your own private forum and talk with yourself if wanna have full control.

    If you think Jugg type builds can be done only with Arti, you are pretty lost. Splits like 12 sorc (or wiz) / 6 ranger / 2 monk (or rogu if wanna traps) are common. No to mention divine variants like 16 druid / 2 rng / 2 monk

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    Quote Originally Posted by psykopeta View Post
    tukaw is so unpopular that is the base of jugg, fyi 2pal+2monk in a cha based toon? tons of lols guaranteed
    Try to make a Jugg with a WF Sorc and tell me again

    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    i will go discuss wherever i want. Make your own private forum and talk with yourself if wanna have full control.

    If you think Jugg type builds can be done only with Arti, you are pretty lost. Splits like 12 sorc (or wiz) / 6 ranger / 2 monk (or rogu if wanna traps) are common. No to mention divine variants like 16 druid / 2 rng / 2 monk
    This is not the thread to talk about your "common" battlemages. Read the title again.

    Any further off-topic and irrelevant reply to the thread will be reported and asked to be deleted, including mines.
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    needs to be more diabolical, binding chains sla, spells have a chance to disease/poison/curse/healing curse mobs

    A point of DR good per level

    capstone lets you blink around like baktor... nah that would be annoying, maybe you just cant be targeted with melee or spells 50% of the time for 20 second with a 1 min cooldown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    Try to make a Jugg with a WF Sorc and tell me again



    This is not the thread to talk about your "common" battlemages. Read the title again.

    Any further off-topic and irrelevant reply to the thread will be reported and asked to be deleted, including mines.
    if you don't consider a multclass sorc a type of sorc its just your problem, I'm not going off topic, but you splitting all time your pathetic threads.

    Acolyte of the skin need to help sorc, pure and multiclass, not just fit your need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    needs to be more diabolical, binding chains sla, spells have a chance to disease/poison/curse/healing curse mobs

    A point of DR good per level

    capstone lets you blink around like baktor... nah that would be annoying, maybe you just cant be targeted with melee or spells 50% of the time for 20 second with a 1 min cooldown
    Problem with that is that in DDO disease/poison/curse/healing curse are useless on mobs and even on us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    if you don't consider a multclass sorc a type of sorc its just your problem, I'm not going off topic.

    Acolyte of the skin needs to help sorc, pure and multiclass, not just fit your need
    QFT, unfortunately with the existence of Fire Savant unless they take alot of creative license with AoTS it's just going to be a Fire Savant Lite...nor does it help your ignoring a bunch of key AotS abilities like the demon summon because "you don't like summons"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    Unfortunately with the existence of Fire Savant unless they take alot of creative license with AoTS it's just going to be a Fire Savant Lite...nor does it help your ignoring a bunch of key AotS abilities like the demon summon because "you don't like summons"
    Just right off the bat, we could change my Fire bonuses to be untyped damage. Name it like "Your XXX deal Demonic damage" but in reality it would be untyped damage. Change all the bonuses to untyped and there you have it. This would also solve the problem with casters not having the option to increase their Force Spellpower.

    Btw, I ignore summons because they suck in DDO. I'd love to have a demon summon if it was actually worth something. I'd rather not have it than have an useless summon with me who could cause trouble to the party
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