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    Default Newb Guide to not Annoying everyone

    Ah, Ghallanda... it's like we have amnesia. We also have amnesia.

    Anyway, I was one of those outspoken opponents of the "CON is not a dumpstat" type posts trying to teach newbs how not to turn into noobs, because they littered these very forums and it was all common sense stuff that people should know. Apparently, not flooding the forums with common sense rules means people assume they can completely forget how to act in an MMORPG. Allow me to help you.

    So, you downloaded the game, made a character with Deth, Death, or Blood, and added Skul or Skull on the end for a COMPLETELY original name, and now you are ready to hit the scene and become everyone's favorite shuriken specialist paladin/bard/rogue dwarf on the server. Not so fast!

    Here are some gentle suggestions before you even set foot on lovely Korthos Island:

    1. Listen to yourself speak. Now amplify that by a factor of 5. If you now sound like Fran Drescher or Barbara Streisand, typing in party chat is your best bet. No one wants to actually HEAR Wail of the Banshee, it's been nerfed. Nerf your wail, too.

    2. Have you gone to the bathroom and grabbed a snack? If not, and especially if you are the "healer", please make boom-boom before you start a long quest or raid.

    3. What is your CON (Constitution) score? If it's a single digit, you did it wrong. Yes, yes, I know, "I'm a *insert caster class*, nothing will ever touch me!" But what if it does? No, seriously, what if it does? It's great to start with 20 or 22 INT/ CHA/ WIS, really, it is. But being really smart or really good looking doesn't help when you are riding in my backpack. Bragging about how high your Intelligence is while the rest of us idiots do the quest for you means YOU are the weak link, not us. I know the old standard was 14 CON, I would still shoot for that, 12 though should be the bare minimum. Can you get away with less? Yep, but the more buffer you have the less you put a drain on the party.

    Once you've checked these important items, Feel free to explore Korthos. The following list is some pet peeves and things you might think about during your stay in lovely Stormreach:

    1. If you are level 1, or really less than level 3, and new, stay on Korthos. I know some people who know the mechanics of the game want to try certain quests and so will go do them, but if you are new the korthos set of gear will help you until you are at least level 5 or 6... Don't ignore what is really easy xp and easy money. Korthos is there to teach you how to play the game, as it hits each of the integral themes that plays out in the rest of the game (protect X, go through traps and do puzzle, find turncoat, etc). Immediately going to Stormreach because you "don't have time for wimpy stuff" and then dying over and over because you have 25 HP is only going to make it so no one wants to run with you and will frustrate you to no end.

    2. If you have to log out, leave the group. It's a small thing, but it's annoying to just log off and take up a party slot until the leader boots you. We don't know if you DCed or not, and a lot of leaders will hold for 5 minutes before popping a chest to see if you come back. You're wasting our time.

    3. If you die, and there are still people alive and no one told you to recall out, DON'T RECALL OUT. I've been in a disturbing amount of PUGs where people will die, recall out, heal up, and jump back in. WE incur a penalty when you do that. There's no reason for it. As a side note, if there is a druid in the party standing in front of you swaying back and forth slowly, he/she is trying to raise you... recalling while the inanely slow animation is going on will get you on a DNG list.

    4. If you are a warforged and do NOT have the ability to heal yourself through SPELLS or SCROLLS, take healing amp. You are nothing more than a liability to the party if you are completely immune to healing spells and there are no WF healers in the party. Drinking repair pots to replenish 400 hp at 15-20 a pop makes you pretty much useless. WHEN you die, not if, but WHEN you die, and I bring you back from the dead (on the off chance you don't recall like number 3), if you are out of potions, I will not raise you again. You get a backpack ride to the shrine. having vampiric stonedust wraps does NOT count as being self sufficient. You suck.

    5. Get a CON +6 item and at LEAST a greater false life item if you are level 14 or above. I have 3 on AH for a 10k buyout at any given time. I hand them out because it helps me when you aren't dead the whole time because you are a level 18 sorc with 184 HP. If you can survive on that and never die, great; I know people who can and this isn't for them. This is for the people who have those stats, 10 more SP than my level 16 druid (and you are a sorc), and are constantly on echoes of power and so spend most of the quest hitting CR 28 Hezrous in elite Spinner with a quarterstaff. You are not going to kill them. You did NOT kill them. They turned and punched you through the space time continuum and you had a negative HP number that was greater than your positive HP. They won.

    6. If we have a good leader giving us explicit jobs, do yours. No one thinks you're cool when you go aggro all the mobs in an area we were explicitly trying to skip and die, meaning we have to risk wiping to go get you. Going AFK the instant you die without saying anything makes you MOAR useless.

    7. If you are in a big, well known guild, that may be impressive to you, but you still have to play the game and fight the monsters. If you die in the middle of belittling us because your guild level is so high, I'm going to laugh at you until you drop group. Mobs don't care what guild level you are in. They will kill you even if your guild level is 100. The same way they kill unguilded players: blunt force trauma to the face/ balls.

    8. Do not put "BYOH" into your LFM if you yourself need heals because you brought 11 potions of cure serious wounds to a level 18 quest.

    9. Do not put "know it" if you, the leader, do not in fact.... know it. Asking the group how they keep teleporting around the map in Shadow Crypt, or why everyone is screaming at you not to pick up the first journal in Sleeping Dust, means you have no reason to put up an LFM saying that.

    10. Personal pet peeve, if you put IP in your LFM, be inside or by the actual quest. When I join an IP run, I am all buffed up, am usually within 5 seconds of getting to the quest, and want to waste as little time standing around ticking off boat buffs as possible. If you are all on the Stormglory Tempest, that means you are not IP. If I join and you want to wait for 2 healers (really? For Lords of Dust? Really?), you are wasting my time.

    I'm sure there are others, and yes, there are lots of things veteran players do that is just as if not slightly more annoying, but the lack of common sense in the PUG scene on Ghallanda recently has made a post like this not only a good idea, but a must if we are to keep our image as drama free and classy players intact.

    Thank you for reading/listening/ not throwing up at the **** poor forum colors.
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    Default An amazing rare occurance

    I Bowserkoopa King of Awesome Lord of the Koopa Troopa's and over all Greatest Villain of all time am going to do something unexpected.

    I actually agree with the OP, yes the OP I've had issues with before, the same OP who challenged me to make a bardcher with a chrucher that needs to hands....or something. Anyways I think it is a shame that the character creation screen and tutorials don't provide more information such as above for building characters. As to the other rants about BYOH, KNOW IT and people in level 100 guilds dying amazingly I agree with 95% of all that too. (Not sure what the other 5% is but I'm sure i disagree with something)

    So yes newb's take an approach where you understand your the rookie and even though you have a capped toon on some other game, or have played tabletop for 25 years, DDO while based on D&D and an MMO is different from other games in the fact that you can break your character into gimptacularness.

    Bowserkoopa,

    That's right this isn't even remotely a troll post.

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    Default That was Kevenia, not me ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrtigo View Post
    I Bowserkoopa King of Awesome Lord of the Koopa Troopa's and over all Greatest Villain of all time am going to do something unexpected.

    I actually agree with the OP, yes the OP I've had issues with before, the same OP who challenged me to make a bardcher with a chrucher that needs to hands....or something. Anyways I think it is a shame that the character creation screen and tutorials don't provide more information such as above for building characters. As to the other rants about BYOH, KNOW IT and people in level 100 guilds dying amazingly I agree with 95% of all that too. (Not sure what the other 5% is but I'm sure i disagree with something)

    So yes newb's take an approach where you understand your the rookie and even though you have a capped toon on some other game, or have played tabletop for 25 years, DDO while based on D&D and an MMO is different from other games in the fact that you can break your character into gimptacularness.

    Bowserkoopa,

    That's right this isn't even remotely a troll post.
    I tried a bardcher and then decided a mule would be a better use of a character slot, I just never came back onto the forums to tell you you were right and I was wrong because that messes up my system.
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    Default Well yeah Kevania is Mr. Bardcher...

    But you did tell me to build some more "flavored" or non traditional toons or something I don't know I'm a King I have minions for this sort of thing. But I am happy to hear that you didn't like bardchers because I was told they were going to take over the server or some nonsense. Anyways before I totally derail this thread. The single biggest thing I agree with in the OP is if you are in a quest or Raid and you are asked to do something do it, and do not assume to do something else, nothing gets you blacklisted by the people who actually bother to run raids and or quest than your listen/comprehend instructions/follow directions skill being over -9000

    Bowserkoopa,

    That's right another non troll post, and a DBZ reference, I'll have to find my inner evil by the end of today or else I'll turn into a good guy.

    Keeper of Keenbean's Heart

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    This is the gospel truth, folks ... this should be posted in General and New Player Tips.

    And doing these things does not make you a *good* player, or an *expert* player, it makes you not an idiot. And for a lot of people, that's a) a major improvement and b) the best they can ever hope to be.

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    Default Obvious need for change.

    This thread proves more than anything else that beginners, veterans, and elite players all need their own exclusive instances. The DDO community is already known as the worst of all the MMOs for showing intolerance/ Large numbers of new players are quitting before they reach level 12 with their first character. Those newcomers are absolutely essential to DDO remaining online and it helps no one if they tell twenty of their friends to try something else.

    The problem has gotten so bad that I can't sell good items for reasonable prices and have to sell them for a fraction of their value. Notr surprising since elite players generally don't need a Giant's Roar, Wraithskin, or whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewndyn View Post
    I tried a bardcher and then decided a mule would be a better use of a character slot, I just never came back onto the forums to tell you you were right and I was wrong because that messes up my system.
    Unfortunatly for you, there is a difference between 'said class split/race is bad', and 'I totally messed up my points/feats/skills/hair color'. I actually suspected it when you told me you were going to make a few major changes to the build I suggested. I am in no way responsible that your version turned out to be useless.

    You didn't try a true bardcher, you tried the combination of a bard and a ranger

    That is all
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    Two handed chruchers, Ghallanda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llewndyn View Post
    Ah, Ghallanda... it's like we have amnesia. We also have amnesia.

    Anyway, I was one of those outspoken opponents of the "CON is not a dumpstat" type posts trying to teach newbs how not to turn into noobs, because they littered these very forums and it was all common sense stuff that people should know. Apparently, not flooding the forums with common sense rules means people assume they can completely forget how to act in an MMORPG. Allow me to help you.

    So, you downloaded the game, made a character with Deth, Death, or Blood, and added Skul or Skull on the end for a COMPLETELY original name, and now you are ready to hit the scene and become everyone's favorite shuriken specialist paladin/bard/rogue dwarf on the server. Not so fast!

    Here are some gentle suggestions before you even set foot on lovely Korthos Island:

    1. Join a quest and begin screaming into your mic, doing your best impression of an ambulance. Make sure you're the healer and you do a good job of healing so everyone has to take it instead of kicking you

    2. Find a ramp that everyone has to move up to advance a quest. Cast grease. Continue doing this until they reform.

    3. Go into a quest that says "Don't Die". Grease the leader or Kormor's him in the middle of a spinning blade trap. Laugh.

    4. Get a good chunky gob of phlegm in your throat. Take Push to talk off, and gargle it the entire quest, adding in coughs and farts to reckless abandon

    5. Join a quest that is marked for normal, the leader says normal, no zerg, then halfway through tell everyone they should stop being wimps and do it on elite. Once you convince them to reform and run on Elite, die first, call them noobs and drop party and put up your own Normal LFG for the same quest. Bonus points if you were the healer.

    6. Join a shroud, wait 6 or 7 minutes, when they tell you they are all in, ask for ship buffs. Go hit the dummy for 2 damage per hit. Better when you are the healer for this one too, or the caster.

    7. Join a group and link all your epic items, whether or not they are for your class or you are running Korthos elites at level is of no consequence

    8. Join a run, die by the shrine, recall out instead of shrining, run back in before anyone knows what you were doing. When they complain later, blame the leader for not being clear that you could not recall out.

    9. Join a shroud as a healer, when they ask if you've done it before don't say anything. In part 4, while they are fighting the dragon, cast blade barrier twice and then stand there doing nothing else. Don't cast blade barrier near the bad guys, just on yourself. Then exclaim it's your first time healing a shroud.

    10. Join a group. Find out one of the players is a girl. Hit on her the ENTIRE QUEST, even if she sounds like she's 12. Go into graphic detail about the many things you can do with your tongue and how much you work out. Assume the silence is awe.

    I'm sure there are others, and yes, there are lots of things veteran players do that is just as if not slightly more annoying, but the lack of common sense in the PUG scene on Ghallanda recently has made a post like this not only a good idea, but a must if we are to keep our image as drama free and classy players intact.

    Thank you for reading/listening/ not throwing up at the **** poor forum colors.
    FTFY!



    (sorry, couldn't resist )

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    Default Waitaminnit..

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsythief View Post
    FTFY!



    (sorry, couldn't resist )
    Wait a minute, I reread all of those and they are cut and pasted from my other posts...

    I have my very own DDO stalker now? <3 <3

    I've finally arrived!
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