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    Default 12 sorc/6 arti

    I appreciate wiz/arti is the more natural mix but this is the second of my 3 planned sorc lives so for this one I wanted to try something different. It will allow me to get both arti battle enhancement and tier 2 elemental savant. WF for self heals.

    The plan is to have trap skills, stand at the back with rune arm/repeater use for lower level mobs and then use sorc spells to take down bosses/bigger groups.

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    Marrioc  the second
    Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Warforged Male
    (14 Sorcerer \ 6 Artificer) 
    Hit Points: 222
    Spell Points: 1706 
    BAB: 11\11\16\21
    Fortitude: 11
    Reflex: 6
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             10                    13
    Dexterity             8                    11
    Constitution         16                    20
    Intelligence         16                    20
    Wisdom                6                     9
    Charisma             16                    25
    
    Tomes Used
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               0                     0
    Bluff                 4                     7
    Concentration         8                    25
    Diplomacy             4                     7
    Disable Device        n/a                  21
    Haggle                4                     7
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  0                     0
    Intimidate            4                     7
    Jump                  2                     2
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         0                     0
    Open Lock             n/a                  16
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                6                    14
    Search                6                    25
    Spot                  1                    21.5
    Swim                  1                     5
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device      5                    19
    
    Level 1 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
    Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
    
    
    Level 2 (Artificer)
    Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
    Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
    
    
    Level 3 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Prodigy
    Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
    
    
    Level 4 (Artificer)
    Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I
    Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
    
    
    Level 5 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
    
    
    Level 6 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
    
    
    Level 7 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Uncaring Master
    Enhancement: Improved Search I
    Enhancement: Improved Spot I
    
    
    Level 8 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
    
    
    Level 9 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
    
    
    Level 10 (Artificer)
    Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III
    
    
    Level 11 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice II
    
    
    Level 12 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I
    Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
    Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II
    Enhancement: Improved Search II
    
    
    Level 13 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant I
    
    
    Level 14 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting III
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
    Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    
    
    Level 15 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice III
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
    
    
    Level 16 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Improved Spot II
    Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device I
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
    
    
    Level 17 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting IV
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
    Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
    
    
    Level 18 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant II
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice IV
    
    
    Level 19 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration II
    
    
    Level 20 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting V
    Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics I
    Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics II
    Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics III
    Any comments? Are the trap skills high enough for lvl 19 hard? Is the UMD worth having?

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    I don't like how it delays everything. Reconstruct at 18..
    I am not sure if 6 artificer levels are worth it. Have you considered ditching battle engineer and sticking to 1 (repeaters, dog) /2 (runearms) /3 (insightful strikes) / 4 (bonus feat) levels of artificer?

    Also, obviously, start with an artificer level for more skills...

    Also, you don't want weapon focus!

    Generally, I think the build is pretty bad Sorry

    skills: max search, disable device, concentration. UMD/Spot optional. Concentration optionalish if you take quicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cru121 View Post
    I don't like how it delays everything. Reconstruct at 18..
    I am not sure if 6 artificer levels are worth it. Have you considered ditching battle engineer and sticking to 1 (repeaters, dog) /2 (runearms) /3 (insightful strikes) / 4 (bonus feat) levels of artificer?

    Also, obviously, start with an artificer level for more skills...

    Also, you don't want weapon focus!

    Generally, I think the build is pretty bad Sorry

    skills: max search, disable device, concentration. UMD/Spot optional. Concentration optionalish if you take quicken.
    Thanks - I'll try again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cru121 View Post
    I don't like how it delays everything. Reconstruct at 18..
    I am not sure if 6 artificer levels are worth it. Have you considered ditching battle engineer and sticking to 1 (repeaters, dog) /2 (runearms) /3 (insightful strikes) / 4 (bonus feat) levels of artificer?

    Also, obviously, start with an artificer level for more skills...

    Also, you don't want weapon focus!

    Generally, I think the build is pretty bad Sorry

    skills: max search, disable device, concentration. UMD/Spot optional. Concentration optionalish if you take quicken.
    Thanks - I'll try again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cru121 View Post
    I don't like how it delays everything. Reconstruct at 18..
    I am not sure if 6 artificer levels are worth it. Have you considered ditching battle engineer and sticking to 1 (repeaters, dog) /2 (runearms) /3 (insightful strikes) / 4 (bonus feat) levels of artificer?

    Also, obviously, start with an artificer level for more skills...

    Also, you don't want weapon focus!

    Generally, I think the build is pretty bad Sorry

    skills: max search, disable device, concentration. UMD/Spot optional. Concentration optionalish if you take quicken.
    Thanks - I'll try again!

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    The problem with MCing a sorc, IMHO, is that pure sorcs are so ridiculously OP in heroic content that MCing one is usually about either boosting your survivability (e.g., pally splash for Divine Grace for ridiculous saves or rog / monk splash for Evasion), your versatility (e.g., rog or arty splash for UMD & trap skills), or just making things more challenging on yourself because you're tired of "I WIN!" buttons.

    Also, to paraphrase another poster: TRs plan for lvl 18, because usually they park there while grinding out the XP to hit 20 then TR again. So, in your case, if you don't wanna be a pure sorc, what about rog 2 / pal 2 / sorc 14? That gets you Evasion, Divine Grace, UMD, trap skills, and lvl 7 spells. I suppose you could substitute arty for rog if you really wanna pew-pew-pew; but past mid-lvls I'm pretty sure you'd be better off w/Evasion than a repeater once you start spamming your DPS spells.

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    Toaster sorc is the fastest life ever and easily the best zerging toon in heroics.
    lvl 6 : fireball, fire savant
    lvl 12 :savant 2, reconstruct
    lvl 14 : dbf
    Scorching ray for beholders and acid rain for fire immune, disintegrate for Death shall rise, Wiz king and GoP, switch to water after Necro 4, Otiluke, Ice Storm, Polar.

    Splashing is gimping yourself if you going for fast past lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veles View Post
    Toaster sorc is the fastest life ever and easily the best zerging toon in heroics.
    lvl 6 : fireball, fire savant
    lvl 12 :savant 2, reconstruct
    lvl 14 : dbf
    Scorching ray for beholders and acid rain for fire immune, disintegrate for Death shall rise, Wiz king and GoP, switch to water after Necro 4, Otiluke, Ice Storm, Polar.

    Splashing is gimping yourself if you going for fast past lives.
    I agree; splashing can slow progress, however I am not a power/serial TR; I like changing my toon and play something different. It'll probably take me 2-3 months to get back to 20 so I want to enjoy the journey.

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    Default following comments I have changed the build to 16 sorc/4 arti

    How does this look? Better - yes?

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02
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    Marrioc the second v2
    Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
    (16 Sorcerer \ 4 Artificer) 
    Hit Points: 260
    Spell Points: 1900 
    BAB: 11\11\16\21
    Fortitude: 11
    Reflex: 6
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             12                    15
    Dexterity             8                    11
    Constitution         14                    20
    Intelligence         16                    20
    Wisdom                6                     9
    Charisma             16                    25
    
    Tomes Used
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               0                     0
    Bluff                 4                     7
    Concentration         7                    14
    Diplomacy             4                     7
    Disable Device        8                    27
    Haggle                4                     7
    Heal                 -1                    -1
    Hide                  0                     0
    Intimidate            4                     7
    Jump                  2                     3.5
    Listen               -1                    -1
    Move Silently         0                     0
    Open Lock             4                    13
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                8                    13
    Search                8                    27
    Spot                  3                    18
    Swim                  2                     6
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device      8                    14
    
    Level 1 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
    Enhancement: Improved Search I
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
    
    
    Level 2 (Artificer)
    Enhancement: Artificer Skill Boost I
    Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I
    Enhancement: Artificer Intelligence I
    
    
    Level 3 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Prodigy
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
    Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
    
    
    Level 4 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Augment Summoning
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
    Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
    
    
    Level 5 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
    Enhancement: Artificer Rune Arm Overcharge I
    
    
    Level 6 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    Enhancement: Uncaring Master
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    
    
    Level 7 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Artificer Skill Boost II
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
    
    
    Level 8 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
    
    
    Level 9 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting II
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
    
    
    Level 10 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice II
    
    
    Level 11 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
    
    
    Level 12 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant I
    
    
    Level 13 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting III
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice III
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
    
    
    Level 14 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
    
    
    Level 15 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
    
    
    Level 16 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Water Savant II
    
    
    Level 17 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting IV
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice IV
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
    
    
    Level 18 (Sorcerer)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration II
    
    
    Level 19 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
    
    
    Level 20 (Sorcerer)
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting V
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice V
    Enhancement: Sorcerer Subtle Spellcasting I
    Enhancement: Warforged Mechanics I

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    I levelled a 9Sorc/9arti/2mnk for a Pastlife Sorc, sure its not as quick as a pure Sorc or a Pali Splashed Sorc, but it sure was fun, managed to get away without having to worry about reconstruct and just used Maximised Repairs (or recon scrolls) testing these sort of builds out can be fun.
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