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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Not another one. It does clearly state what it will provide you with. Are you trying to angle for a class action lawsuit for misrepresentation to the consumer?

    It works exactly as described and still you complain.

    There is no amount of giffage you can add that makes any comparison to a previous bugged item that also offered XP reasonable or justified.

    You not like? You not purchase. Your many many many friends who share your misplaced and unjustified sense of injury are also free not to purchase.

    You like? You purchase.

    I fail to understand why some people are still banging on about this.
    If the actual function of the stone within the box were known when the box was released, your counter argument would hold complete weight. This was not the case however. Precedent is achieved by continued function of this item for over a year's time. The purpose of my thread is to highlight what is a definite issue amongst those who purchased Bigby's Box with a reasonable expectation regarding it's function. It also proposes a solution which benefits everyone. Players affected could exchange the product for the one they thought they paid for. Turbine makes more profit in TP sales splitting the difference. More income allows Turbine to keep the lights on. Even for players that have no stake or interest in purchasing these items.

    These are not small purchases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    At some point, you might want to actually read my OP as opposed to making arguments not at all related to it. The very definition of being off topic...

    I've highlighted for you.
    I did in fact read your OP, and I'm still /not signed.

    I don't care how upset about it people get, how many threads you make about it, the fact remains the stones work exactly as they are supposed to, and they are exactly what you payed for.
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    Can you show me where Turbine EVER said the Stone of Experience from MotU in 2012 would stack with other bonuses?

    That was found out by trial and error by people when we received them starting in March of 2012.

    So, Bigby's Stone specifically does not mention that it will go with bonuses. I would assume that it does not stack, but if it did then bonus for me. It mentions that it is level 7 to level 15.

    Should all the people that did not use their stones in 2012 with bonuses stacking be made whole? After all, they had them and they probably had potions of EXP, and the Voice, and quite possibly the guild ship bonus.

    On my first character that I did it with, I know I did not have bonuses stacking and I only went to level 16. Because that is what the Stone said. I am sure if I complained about that, the reaction of the forum base would be "Siphons to be you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    I did in fact read your OP, and I'm still /not signed.

    I don't care how upset about it people get, how many threads you make about it, the fact remains the stones work exactly as they are supposed to, and they are exactly what you payed for.
    Then kindly move on. This thread has nothing to do with anything you've stated within it. There are other threads supporting the argument you wish to have.

    Thank you in advance.
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    If you lease me a car and you tell me it got 30 miles per gallon and it did, everything is rosey. I drive it around and realize that not only does it get 30 mpg, it actually got 50 mpg AND I discover a button that releases fresh cooking bacon smell on demand! Everything is rosey!

    If later, I then buy the same type of car from you (because I liked that leased one) and that same make/model that says 35 mpg also offered 50 mpg AND had the bacon button, everything is rosey.

    At a later date, I return and post to the community about this amazing bacon button car that gets more miles and then everyone buys one and it offers the same performance, everything is rosey!

    I return to the dealership 6 more times at different intervals in time when there is a sale during the year and tell the dealership how I love that bacon car and save up my money to buy more and all is good, everything is rosey.

    Good God, I need more bacon cars!

    So, I check in with the dealership daily to see when they will have more for sale and lo and behold, I find that they have none available BUT instead, they have vouchers where you can stock up on credits towards new bacon cars at a discount of oh I don't know, let's say 40% more to the dollar, so I stock up on as much as possible to that I can buy more bacon cars when they are released. The general manager (who runs the dealership) shakes my hand, puts his arms around me and says, "You like those bacon cars buddy? We've got something in store for your that is SOOO MUCH BETTER, just you wait for the holiday sale". So I eagerly and patiently wait.

    The 4th of July comes up and YES, more bacon cars come out and I buy, oh, let's say 3. Wow, they are cheaper and WOW I've been storing up vouchers! I WIN!!!

    I then pull off the lot and realize that the car only gets 15mpg and the button I just pushed smells like Bleu Cheese.

    Now, does everyone need a bacon car? No. Can they just walk, sure. Neither are the OP's points. The point is that those that felt manipulated in this sale are now letting Turbine know. Stop derailing that point. Turbine can turn this around with a solution and the one that the OP offers sounds reasonable.

    In the flavor of the OP's action for this thread, please Turbine, give us our bacon cars. You can't lose here.

    I'm not asking for a refund, I'm just happy with a credit back towards the purchase of my bacon car.
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    Enjoyed the OP.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
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    It says it gets you from 7 to 15. It gets you from 7 to 15. I don't see what your problem is. Heck, even the name is different.

    Or to put it in a way you'll understand:

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    I have yet to hear from anyone who has purchased Bigby's Box following the discovery that it does not work like Otto's that they felt deceived in any way.

    I do find myself in consistent discussions with players however that bought the Bigby's Box during the sale period who have these opinions. These are players who both saved up or had enough disposable income to purchase multiple boxes when they became available. Every one of these players I've talked to read the description of the item and any related information they could find before committing to purchase. These players were poised to purchase Otto's Boxes and waiting for the next available release of them. One which was highly anticipated as being during the holiday period.

    Having made those purchases of an item 'More Awesome' than Otto's and discovering an change in the function of the contained stone, they feel mislead and ultimately cheated.

    My proposed solution is a win from all sides I can see for reasons I've stated multiple times now. Yet the presence of multiple posts not related in any way to that proposed solution continue.

    I learned a long time ago that if I wish to debate an argument, I need to actually address the point or points offered within the argument I wish to debate...
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    mr. OP . . . I think you're stuck. The stones work as advertised. The Otto's stones worked better than advertised.

    Should they have left the stones as it? Probably, but then the n00bs with their iconic heroes wouldn't have others at their level to not group with.

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    I'd also like to add to the discussion that I personally don't know of anyone who has a problem with the existance of both Otto's or Bigby's box. The overwhelming opinions expressed are positive in both cases. In other words people like them both. What people don't like is not being informed when they did their own research.

    Learning about the actual function of a product put on sale and advertised as being 'better' should not be done in the way it has. I believe the purchasers should know exactly what they are buying. My proposal, when people get around to actually reading it is one that offers upside for everyone.
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    Bottom line of this discussion: if you pay to win, you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    an item 'More Awesome'
    Honestly, what did you expect from a company that saddled us with 7 instances of the AwesomiumProcess.exe to clog our memory and CPU, just so that those that had a low end PC could enjoy slideshows ( once they managed to connect ) instead of playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzah View Post
    Bottom line of this discussion: if you pay to win, you lose.
    Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    No information given at time of release regarding the xp stacking being changed is interpreted as deception by omission by those I've communicated with. They, the purchasers, have many examples of the same being done with other products.
    So are you saying things like this have happened before (product not working the same as similar products offered previously)? Then perhaps caution and questions would be appropriate before a mass stampede to purchase multiples of the new product would be warranted? You know, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.... lol


    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    People who spent a lot of rl funds on this product were, I believe, mislead by omission regarding it's function.
    I do agree, hopefully something will work out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catteras View Post
    I don't understand why everyone is getting down on the OP. He brings up a very valid point.
    My immediate thoughts:
    I pretty much agree as well. However, didn't the Otto get you to level 16, not 15? Thus it is essentially a different product altogether from the Bigby's. I might be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilEssence View Post
    I then pull off the lot and realize that the car only gets 15mpg and the button I just pushed smells like Bleu Cheese.
    Except that's not a correct comparison. You actually got the 30MPG and bacon smell advertised, you just didn't get the 50MPG the other car got. Also your first mistake was trusting the car dealership manager in the first place. Any time they put their arm around you and tell you they've got something better, you need to watch out.

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    Two different objects provide two different results when used.

    One has an unintended side effect, the other does not.

    One costs more and the other has a reduced price.

    The only real issue is that some players assumed that they both worked the same.

    This happens all the time when you assume.

    Next time don't assume.


    With that, well written post OP.

    Do not think a return for a Otto Box will work, logistically speaking. Best thing to do is to trade/sell it off and wait for an Otto's.

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    The box works as intended.

    But please, keep up with these threads because at least they let the devs know how much people loathe the L15-20 XP curve....
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    The new boxes are working as intended. The old boxes gave over 1 million more xp than intended (although we don't know for sure). Be thankful they didn't nerf the remaining Otto's boxes if you have any.

    Expect a miraculous return of Otto's boxes at the end of the year when the new Epic TR is available and they don't mind people skipping this content as much. This also lines up nicely with a time when regardless of how much revenue was earned, a little more by year end can only help.

    As someone else said, yeah it shows just how much the 16-20 leveling can be a grind.

    I just want to know how the new boxes will work with the upcoming changes to xp. If it takes me to 15 after the xp changes are in place I may buy a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impaqt View Post
    But please, keep up with these threads because at least they let the devs know how much people loathe the L15-20 XP curve....
    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    As someone else said, yeah it shows just how much the 16-20 leveling can be a grind.
    If Bigby's stones function by direct XP injection as Otto's stones did, minus any bonuses of course, they can be used on a first life character to go directly from level 15 to 20. Bigby's should provide 850k XP as that is the minimum it takes to advance from 7 to 15. If this is the case, reaching level 15 (1.05X10^6 XP) and then using the stone would put a character right at 1.9X10^6 XP or precisely level 20. The entire 15-20 grind could be bypassed, for a first life character at any rate. Just a thought.
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    Hi,

    By the way please ask them why they made the
    Stones dissapear from the inventory ?* couple of
    Weeks after motu came out..
    I am not the kind of player doing TR everything 15 days and
    I would happily use my invisible Stone now...( and it is not there anymore )
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