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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    Thank you QmX!

    Be nice to have a far better chance at getting the highly desirable collectables, ie the Alchemical Ritual ingredients vs the run of the mill collectables.

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    I agree with the OP, and I think the OP has been misunderstood a little.

    No one is complaining about either the gold or silver rolls you get for free. I think the point is, that now since VIP gets a free weekly gold roll, we get to see the possibilities. And if there is a good chance you get some pathetic collectables on a GOLD ROLL that costs 15 AS, then I also say "no thanks". Free? Sure, whatever. But 15 AS? Nope.

    So "if" the point of offering a free GOLD roll to VIP's was to entice them to spend AS on extra GOLD rolls, it didn't work. At least not for the OP, and not for me.

    But I'll take free rolls all day long.

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    I rolled 100 on my first gold roll. Platinum Jackpot! I got a spirit cake.

    It really doesn't matter how much the collectibles are improved if that's what you can hope for from a big win, does it?

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    When the daily dice first came out in Lammania - one or two of us (that was including me) spent hours rolling and collecting data on the tables, then posting it.

    While some of our suggestions were implemented (thank you!) - some were not. There is still one BtC potion (one of the crafting ones) and the collectables.

    Now I agree with this thread - no roll should result in anything less than a rare collectable.

    Do appreciate and enjoy the VIP free gold-weekly roll and encourage more things like this for the paid service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    No offense Q, but Silver too.

    Look, the rolls are a loss leader, the worst you should be giving away is a sample from the DDO Store - isn't the idea to get people to buy more? When you get random, common items which you can find in game, people will forget the rolls altogether. I'll tell you this - nothing on the rolls has inspired me to break out cash to spend real money for astral shards.

    Stop treating this feature like a random treasure chest - its not. It s a design switch to get people to spend money. Maybe its working, but from what I have seen and heard, not so much.
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    P.S. Just in case a little imaginative oomph is necessary because maybe you aren't sure what to put on the rolls. How about things like:

    A) 25, 50, 75 or 100 TPs (spent during your login)
    B) 10, 20, 30, 40 & 50% off coupons, long term and short term
    C) A coupon with the lesser xp elixir you won to encourage you to go buy more - right now!

    I was not a big proponent of the rolls to begin with, but I have to tell you, if you are going to incorporate a feature, you may as well try to max out your intended purpose. I am only surprised that random gems weren't included. Of course maybe I just haven't rolled them yet.

    You still need a rewards program; if WB doesn't re-open one, you should start one. Although one which could be used across all of WB would be nice. Every other merchant outfit on earth seems to have one. Be the first MMO to really try to max out that angle of microtransactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HGM-Chi View Post
    I rolled 100 on my first gold roll. Platinum Jackpot! I got a spirit cake.

    It really doesn't matter how much the collectibles are improved if that's what you can hope for from a big win, does it?
    Oh, you must be really unlucky. I did my 2nd free gold roll today and rolled a 100; got a +3->+4 dex upgrade tome. Tx Turbine!
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    I agree with the OP that rolls that are paid for shouldn't have the possibility of utter crud like 1 or 3 Strings of Prayer Beads. Maybe rolls that are paid for should bump up the prize tiers to cut out the very bottom possibilities.

    However I think that the free daily Silver rolls are just fine. I have received a lot of single low-tier collectibles but a few really nice things so I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    Appreciate the response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
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    However I think that the free daily Silver rolls are just fine. I have received a lot of single low-tier collectibles but a few really nice things so I'm happy.
    I disagree, per my post above. I think the marketing department either failed to imagine the best ways to use the rolls to promote purchases in the Store (which is the intended point of the rolls imo) or they failed to execute properly in getting people to spend. As it is right now, roll once, hope you get something like an xp elixir and bank it. Why should I go buy more? Now, if you provided an xp eliixir and gave a coupon for 50% off your next one or a buy one get one free? I am spending that in the Store, immediately.

    Again, to me, it really, it is just a lack of imagination or execution, I can't quite determine which.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    if enough people aren't paying for gold rolls, believe me that Turbine will make some changes.
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    If you don't want "ending up with junk" as a possable result, doesn't that mean you want to be "guaranteed something good?"
    No, it doesn't. There is a lonely middle somewhere, feeling left out. But I think you know that already.

    At minimum, since a Silver roll is 3 AD, the result of a Gold should be at least 5* better than a corresponding Silver roll. So if you get one string of prayer beads on a Silver, you should get 5 on a Gold. But as is, both are pretty junk. The idea isn't bad, but as usual, the execution is flawed.

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    The rolls are just fine. They are a form of gambling, and gambling has no guaranteed wins. If you play roulette at a high-stakes table, you increase the maximum amount you can win, but your odds of winning don't change, and the least you can win is still nothing.

    Of course, there will always be people that want the chance to win something worth 100 times what they spend without the risk of getting something worth only 1% instead. Potential high rewards come with correspondingly high risks. If you don't like it, don't gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    here comes the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hafeal View Post
    I disagree, per my post above. I think the marketing department either failed to imagine the best ways to use the rolls to promote purchases in the Store (which is the intended point of the rolls imo) or they failed to execute properly in getting people to spend. As it is right now, roll once, hope you get something like an xp elixir and bank it. Why should I go buy more? Now, if you provided an xp eliixir and gave a coupon for 50% off your next one or a buy one get one free? I am spending that in the Store, immediately.

    Again, to me, it really, it is just a lack of imagination or execution, I can't quite determine which.
    Sorry, I don't expect to get free Store samples EVERY DAY. As I said, maybe they should bump up the paid rolls but I think the free Silver is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    The rolls are just fine. They are a form of gambling, and gambling has no guaranteed wins. If you play roulette at a high-stakes table, you increase the maximum amount you can win, but your odds of winning don't change, and the least you can win is still nothing.

    Of course, there will always be people that want the chance to win something worth 100 times what they spend without the risk of getting something worth only 1% instead. Potential high rewards come with correspondingly high risks. If you don't like it, don't gamble.
    People are expressing their opinion - why are you trying to tell people that they are wrong?

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    Last week free weekly Gold roll: 3 x Siberys Spirit Cake (not bad! P.S. forgot what I rolled...)

    Today's free weekly Gold roll:

    (Standard): You rolled 4 on your Daily Dice and earned a Collectables & Shards prize!
    (Standard): You obtain a Glittering Dust, Cryptmoss, a Sweet Whitecap, a String of Prayer Beads, and a Khyber Prayer Pamphlet.


    You can be 100% sure that I will never use my Astral Shards to roll on the Gold Daily Dice after seeing those collectables...
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    i was thinking more about this. if you are going to do a change in better gold roll rewards, it should be for those that actually spent RL money on it. the free gold roll for vips and others that didn't spend any real money should not need an upgrade to winnings. that's the way it should be if you are going to make adjustments for people spending money on the rolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Sorry, I don't expect to get free Store samples EVERY DAY. As I said, maybe they should bump up the paid rolls but I think the free Silver is fine.
    Really? I do. I set my expectations a little higher - especially if Turbine wants me to spend my money on their digital spit. A free sample, every day, hurts them not at all. In fact, it will help them if they harness it correctly. If they gave away 365 samples, assuming you took one everyday, you would not get through the inventory of their offerings.

    In addition, if you received, for example, a 20% coupon with your free sample if you buy the item in that login session, I would bet you real dollars they would see a significant revenue increase. It would be another way to reach the larger audience that doesn't come to the forums and doesn't shop for the special of thee week with Q's postings.

    Gold offerings should be better and higher coupons while silver should be the sweetner to consider ViP or paying for Astral Shards. Meh, maybe Q is happy with the current revenue pull, but I doubt it. You don't bring in new management if things are hunky dory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    i was thinking more about this. if you are going to do a change in better gold roll rewards, it should be for those that actually spent RL money on it. the free gold roll for vips and others that didn't spend any real money should not need an upgrade to winnings. that's the way it should be if you are going to make adjustments for people spending money on the rolls.
    So how do you differentiate between those who spend RL money (using purchased shards) and those like me that never purchased shards but have over a 1000 from trading?
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow - btw, do you have change for 10 million population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    People are expressing their opinion - why are you trying to tell people that they are wrong?
    And I am expressing my opinion. Hypocrisy much?

    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    In a standard raffle, you have a single prize -or at best a 1st/2nd/3rd prize- with all ticket purchasers having a significant chance to get absolutely nothing. I mean seriously, when's the last time you entered a raffle or lottery where you were guaranteed to get something, even if that something is a Cracker Jack prize?

    Also don't forget, you only spend shards on the roll if you want to. Me? Not once. I've done my free rolls, & I'm not VIP so I haven't rolled for the gold. If you want a lottery where you have the chance to roll up a (top prize) Raid Bypass Timer, and a 0% chance to roll up a (bottom "prize") of nothing, you've got to realize there'll be some carp prizes on the list. I'll take carp over nothing, tyvm; especially when it's for free.

    The systems been in place long enough that, if you're still paying for rolls, you know what you're paying for...
    And I am saying this one is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will look into improving the collectibles that drop on the gold table.
    Would you also look at the Binding status on all items from the dice rolls.
    There should be no BTC rewards.

    Shards are account based and the free roll is account based.. not charater based as such all rolls should be unbound or BTA.
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