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    I honestly don't get why some people join LFMs.

    Yesterday I was with a group running a chain. After the first quest, the leader asked if anyone wanted to do the second. I said that I was game if we were doing it together, but if the guy who raced ahead of everyone in the first quest was going to do it again, I was out. Leader agreed we would do it together. The racer piped in and said he would solo part of the second quest, to which the leader and I both responded that we did not want him to do that.

    Sure enough, we get into the second quest and the guy is off to the races again, ignoring everyone else's wishes. Even better, the quest was Blockade Buster -- the guy was a sorc, and he decided to set off the self-destruct timer on the first ship, with a one-minute countdown, and without unlocking the hatches. He announces this on party chat after he's done it, and then says he's going "AFK". There wasn't even a minute left at this point, and half the party was somewhere else and going "???" -- I managed to get off the ship in time, while three others didn't. And the kicker? The party leader was a rogue, so there wasn't any need for the timed detonation anyway.

    Why do people like this even join LFMs? I seriously don't get it. I join LFMs for two reasons: because I don't think I can solo something effectively, or because I want the company and find doing the quest as a team more fun. What is the point of behaving as this guy did? He obviously had no interest in actually working with the party, and if he was just in a hurry and was so uber that he didn't need us, why not just solo it, which would be easier anyway due to less scaling?

    Maybe he was just trying to impress us. He did, but not the way he anticipated, which maybe he figured out after we recalled and regrouped without him (though I doubt it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I honestly don't get why some people join LFMs.

    Yesterday I was with a group running a chain. After the first quest, the leader asked if anyone wanted to do the second. I said that I was game if we were doing it together, but if the guy who raced ahead of everyone in the first quest was going to do it again, I was out. Leader agreed we would do it together. The racer piped in and said he would solo part of the second quest, to which the leader and I both responded that we did not want him to do that.

    Sure enough, we get into the second quest and the guy is off to the races again, ignoring everyone else's wishes. Even better, the quest was Blockade Buster -- the guy was a sorc, and he decided to set off the self-destruct timer on the first ship, with a one-minute countdown, and without unlocking the hatches. He announces this on party chat after he's done it, and then says he's going "AFK". There wasn't even a minute left at this point, and half the party was somewhere else and going "???" -- I managed to get off the ship in time, while three others didn't. And the kicker? The party leader was a rogue, so there wasn't any need for the timed detonation anyway.

    Why do people like this even join LFMs? I seriously don't get it. I join LFMs for two reasons: because I don't think I can solo something effectively, or because I want the company and find doing the quest as a team more fun. What is the point of behaving as this guy did? He obviously had no interest in actually working with the party, and if he was just in a hurry and was so uber that he didn't need us, why not just solo it, which would be easier anyway due to less scaling?

    Maybe he was just trying to impress us. He did, but not the way he anticipated, which maybe he figured out after we recalled and regrouped without him (though I doubt it).
    Chaotic/Neutral alignment. He'll do it his way, regardless of the wishes of the rest of the party. He wonders why you get so upset as he did his part and the rest was up to you guys. He is so wrapped up in doing what feels right for him that he can't understand that it's not the way others are doing it. He heard the leader loud and clear at the start, but his way is better so he'll just have to show the leader and the rest of the group why they're "wrong".

    Long story short, he thought he was doing you guys a favor and can't understand why you're upset. If he read this post that I typed right here, he still wouldn't "get it". It's tough to overcome your alignment and even harder to admit that your way isn't always the right way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redspecter23 View Post
    Chaotic/Neutral alignment. He'll do it his way, regardless of the wishes of the rest of the party. He wonders why you get so upset as he did his part and the rest was up to you guys. He is so wrapped up in doing what feels right for him that he can't understand that it's not the way others are doing it. He heard the leader loud and clear at the start, but his way is better so he'll just have to show the leader and the rest of the group why they're "wrong".

    Long story short, he thought he was doing you guys a favor and can't understand why you're upset. If he read this post that I typed right here, he still wouldn't "get it". It's tough to overcome your alignment and even harder to admit that your way isn't always the right way.
    Could be chaotic evil too, after all what would be more fun to chaotic evil, to go along with the group or to try to blow them up. =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Could be chaotic evil too, after all what would be more fun to chaotic evil, to go along with the group or to try to blow them up. =P
    It's possible. Just going by the information provided, it didn't look like he was out to grief anyone on purpose. he just wanted to do things his way. If it was C/E, he's very good at it.
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    Sounds like a social narcissist. He’s uber, but he needs others to bask in the awesomeness of his uberness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsburyParker View Post
    Sounds like a social narcissist. He’s uber, but he needs others to bask in the awesomeness of his uberness.
    If that was his intent, the results are somewhat ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redspecter23 View Post
    If that was his intent, the results are somewhat ironic.
    Yeah, sometimes that happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I honestly don't get why some people join LFMs.

    Yesterday I was with a group running a chain. After the first quest, the leader asked if anyone wanted to do the second. I said that I was game if we were doing it together, but if the guy who raced ahead of everyone in the first quest was going to do it again, I was out. Leader agreed we would do it together. The racer piped in and said he would solo part of the second quest, to which the leader and I both responded that we did not want him to do that.

    Sure enough, we get into the second quest and the guy is off to the races again, ignoring everyone else's wishes. Even better, the quest was Blockade Buster -- the guy was a sorc, and he decided to set off the self-destruct timer on the first ship, with a one-minute countdown, and without unlocking the hatches. He announces this on party chat after he's done it, and then says he's going "AFK". There wasn't even a minute left at this point, and half the party was somewhere else and going "???" -- I managed to get off the ship in time, while three others didn't. And the kicker? The party leader was a rogue, so there wasn't any need for the timed detonation anyway.

    Why do people like this even join LFMs? I seriously don't get it. I join LFMs for two reasons: because I don't think I can solo something effectively, or because I want the company and find doing the quest as a team more fun. What is the point of behaving as this guy did? He obviously had no interest in actually working with the party, and if he was just in a hurry and was so uber that he didn't need us, why not just solo it, which would be easier anyway due to less scaling?

    Maybe he was just trying to impress us. He did, but not the way he anticipated, which maybe he figured out after we recalled and regrouped without him (though I doubt it).

    These type of players are referred to as Pugtards.

    On the upside, you never will have to experience him every again now that you know how he plays and acts while in a group.

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    Looks like that guy was hoist by his own petard.

    We have a guildie that does that sort of thing frequently. Otherwise he's a really great person and player.

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    Many quests have objectives that can be completed faster by splitting up. IMO the only reason to PUG Blockade Buster would be to do exactly what the sorc attempted - split up and detonate all ships ASAP. Sounds like it was just poor communication all around, might have run into one of the players on Sarlona who only speaks / types a little English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vyvy3369 View Post
    Many quests have objectives that can be completed faster by splitting up. IMO the only reason to PUG Blockade Buster would be to do exactly what the sorc attempted - split up and detonate all ships ASAP. Sounds like it was just poor communication all around, might have run into one of the players on Sarlona who only speaks / types a little English.
    True, but when the party leader says they're doing it a certain way, it's usually nice to follow their lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I honestly don't get why some people join LFMs.
    I do not get it either. Idiots join and zerg when the LFM is for sticking together and some sniffers will join a zerg LFM. People that show no respect toward what the LFM is looking for is one reason why I seldom pug. You never know what dumb *** will join and ruin the fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    True, but when the party leader says they're doing it a certain way, it's usually nice to follow their lead.
    unless he really didn't understand much english which is why he might have typed that he was going to solo x. It is possible.

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    I have seen these.

    Blockade Buster,
    Undermine,
    that quest at house Cannith: Blown to Bits
    Wild Magic: Potion of Wonder (summons a powder keg charge)

    all have powder kegs that are instant death when blown.

    No communication ==> instant death for other people in the party.

    May be these people want PvP but cannot legally kill their party members for fun and therefore used these methods or quests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrande View Post
    I have seen these.

    Blockade Buster,
    Undermine,
    that quest at house Cannith: Blown to Bits
    Wild Magic: Potion of Wonder (summons a powder keg charge)

    all have powder kegs that are instant death when blown.

    No communication ==> instant death for other people in the party.

    May be these people want PvP but cannot legally kill their party members for fun and therefore used these methods or quests.
    hey planting a charge in the end chest of undermine and blown to bits is a time honored tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    unless he really didn't understand much english which is why he might have typed that he was going to solo x. It is possible.
    Quite true.

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    Reading this reminded me of someone in a quest (I don't remember the name of either right now) who died about 20 times in the same trap. Rather than just wait a minute for the party to regroup after a shrine (I don't remember why we were waiting), he would run into the trap, died, run back to a nearby shrine, rez, run back to the trap and repeat.

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    I had a similar experience as the OP not too long ago. I was in a group in GH, and some guy joined as we were finishing one quest, and about to start another. We were at end fight, and the guy who just joined wanted to know if he could start the second quest while we were in the first one. The party leader said "no," of course. So we finish the first quest, and decide to go re-buff for the second one. The same guy wants to know if he can start the quest while we are re-buffing. The PL again says, "no."

    Then he asks again if he can just start while were are on the way ito the quest.

    When we were in, he starts zerging ahead. he then starts boasting about how he can solo it easy on elite.

    Ok...so why don't you just frickin' solo it on elite, and stop pestering the rest of the group about wanting to zerg the whole thing while we're still finishing another quest?

    The guy eventually dropped when we wanted to start on another GH quest, and the new addition wanted to go back to the quest we had completed previously, and finish it for the completion. Now, the kicker to this is that when the guy first joined, we told him that we were near the end of this very quest, and that if he wanted the completion, we'd wait for him. The guy declined.

    Honestly, what are some people thinking half of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    unless he really didn't understand much english which is why he might have typed that he was going to solo x. It is possible.
    It's possible. Though when he initially said he was going to solo a ship after we asked not to, and I typed in party chat "if you want to solo, please drop group and solo on your own", I would have thought that was sufficiently unsubtle.

    I think these superheros really don't understand that some of us actually like to do the quests. I'm the opposite of a piker -- I detest when someone runs ahead and does the whole quest while I'm still running to the door. You aren't doing me a favor by getting the thing done 5 minutes faster. I play because I enjoy it, not because I'm trying to get somewhere. If I want to do chores, I'll clean the kitchen.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsquishwizzy View Post
    Honestly, what are some people thinking half of the time?
    Only about themselves, sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vint View Post
    I do not get it either. Idiots join and zerg when the LFM is for sticking together and some sniffers will join a zerg LFM. People that show no respect toward what the LFM is looking for is one reason why I seldom pug. You never know what dumb *** will join and ruin the fun.
    And a very good reason why people just do not put up LFM's maybe.

    Few bad experiences and it is no wonder why people will stick to group with friends, guildmates, or within private channels.

    Few bad apples ruin it for the bunch.

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