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    Default Handwraps are glitching in The Underdark.

    Attributes from the previous pair(s) would carry over to the ones I just switched to.
    Not a terribly bad thing though. Kinda nice having Light and Force damage on my Adamantine Knuckles with Fire, Ice and Acid augments.
    Would switch back and forth to correct it, but would only work right for a bit, then it would go back to the weird thingy.
    Didn't notice it happening in GH though. But, then again, I was awash in bloody giants.

    Speaking of which. Holy carp on a stick! You can't swing a dead kobold in that joint without hittin 20 friggin giants.

    Love it. Adds nicely to my resume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    Attributes from the previous pair(s) would carry over to the ones I just switched to.
    Not a terribly bad thing though. Kinda nice having Light and Force damage on my Adamantine Knuckles with Fire, Ice and Acid augments.
    Would switch back and forth to correct it, but would only work right for a bit, then it would go back to the weird thingy.
    Didn't notice it happening in GH though. But, then again, I was awash in bloody giants.

    Speaking of which. Holy carp on a stick! You can't swing a dead kobold in that joint without hittin 20 friggin giants.

    Love it. Adds nicely to my resume.

    Actually I have been having this issue with Gaxes for a couple of months now.

    I actually first noticed it in E DA when I would swap weapons from outsider bane to frost/elemental bane and the frost/ele bane wouldn't proc on them. and Vice versa for devils when switching from ele bane to outsider bane.

    After around 30 or so hits the weapon will start to register the properties it has versus the mob I am attacking.

    No, I did not bug report it. Bug reporting does not do anything helpful for anyone, least of all the angry player that gets a message saying they can't file a bug report for whatever excuse the current excuse is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    Actually I have been having this issue with Gaxes for a couple of months now.

    I actually first noticed it in E DA when I would swap weapons from outsider bane to frost/elemental bane and the frost/ele bane wouldn't proc on them. and Vice versa for devils when switching from ele bane to outsider bane.

    After around 30 or so hits the weapon will start to register the properties it has versus the mob I am attacking.

    No, I did not bug report it. Bug reporting does not do anything helpful for anyone, least of all the angry player that gets a message saying they can't file a bug report for whatever excuse the current excuse is.
    Hmmm...Interesting. More research is needed.

    As for bug reports. I didn't report this either, because I'm a lazy bastage. But several guildies have submitted bug reports recently for other issues and got a faster'n hell response and whatever issue they had was solved real quick-like. They were pretty well shocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    Hmmm...Interesting. More research is needed.

    As for bug reports. I didn't report this either, because I'm a lazy bastage. But several guildies have submitted bug reports recently for other issues and got a faster'n hell response and whatever issue they had was solved real quick-like. They were pretty well shocked.

    As far as in game tickets go, I have been seeing a bit of good on the forums lately, but several years of terribad GM service before and after my deployment, and I have no faith, not only that, but I cannot test it, because F2P/Premium players are not allowed to open tickets if a totally and completely acknowledged bug by the devs/community team makes a quest un-completable. Even when the company admits fault one cannot get help unless they spend money. (I have no issue with spend money to get help, unless it involves a quest breaking bug, such as the interaction bar bug for instance)

    But in regards to this, yes, more testing/experimenting necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    As far as in game tickets go, I have been seeing a bit of good on the forums lately, but several years of terribad GM service before and after my deployment, and I have no faith, not only that, but I cannot test it, because F2P/Premium players are not allowed to open tickets if a totally and completely acknowledged bug by the devs/community team makes a quest un-completable. Even when the company admits fault one cannot get help unless they spend money. (I have no issue with spend money to get help, unless it involves a quest breaking bug, such as the interaction bar bug for instance)

    But in regards to this, yes, more testing/experimenting necessary.
    I don't think you have to be VIP to submit a bug report. I am reasonably sure that my guildies that submitted those reports are premium players. *edit: They do have several accounts though, VIP and F2P. So maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention to which account they were on.*
    Not 100% on that though. If that is how it is...that ain't right.

    Anyhoo...back to the borked items. I did just start a new ED, I wonder if that's got something to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    I don't think you have to be VIP to submit a bug report. I am reasonably sure that my guildies that submitted those reports are premium players.
    Not 100% on that though. If that is how it is...that ain't right.

    Anyhoo...back to the borked items. I did just start a new ED, I wonder if that's got something to do with it.
    No. I haven't bought ED's yet, nor have I even wasted money on the unfinished first xpac either.

    It is just a bug man, and no, you don't need to be a vip to submit a bug report, but there are absolute barriers to some players/ some accounts that are being played by certain players that 100% prohibits them from submitting bug reports from an account they are playing. Regardless of whom is actually playing the account at the time the bug is encountered.


    But I have no doubt, and I am 100% certain this bug has absolutely nothing to do with ED's, unless it is a Menace or Shadowfall bug affecting 100% pure heroic accounts with access to neither xpac or their perks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    No. I haven't bought ED's yet, nor have I even wasted money on the unfinished first xpac either.

    It is just a bug man, and no, you don't need to be a vip to submit a bug report, but there are absolute barriers to some players/ some accounts that are being played by certain players that 100% prohibits them from submitting bug reports from an account they are playing. Regardless of whom is actually playing the account at the time the bug is encountered.


    But I have no doubt, and I am 100% certain this bug has absolutely nothing to do with ED's, unless it is a Menace or Shadowfall bug affecting 100% pure heroic accounts with access to neither xpac or their perks.
    Dude. ED's kick ginormous amounts of backside. If you buy nothing else, ever, get that sh*t! For real. They can make a gimp toon like mine pretty badass.
    I lack the proper vocabulary to accurately describe how awesome the Grandmaster of Flowers is on my monk. I am JUST now starting to get the hang of setting my hotbars up so I can switch back and forth from the ED I'm learning back to my main ED. Wish I'd thought about that much earlier. My guildies laughed at me when I was all excited about this "newly discovered" possibility. Which was yesterday.

    As for the other stuff. I have no idea. I've submitted, maybe 2 or 3 bug reports since I started playing this game. All to no effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    Dude. ED's kick ginormous amounts of backside. If you buy nothing else, ever, get that sh*t! For real. They can make a gimp toon like mine pretty badass.
    I lack the proper vocabulary to accurately describe how awesome the Grandmaster of Flowers is on my monk. I am JUST now starting to get the hang of setting my hotbars up so I can switch back and forth from the ED I'm learning back to my main ED. Wish I'd thought about that much earlier. My guildies laughed at me when I was all excited about this "newly discovered" possibility. Which was yesterday.

    As for the other stuff. I have no idea. I've submitted, maybe 2 or 3 bug reports since I started playing this game. All to no effect.
    I will make you a deal.

    When the very next time new content is released, if it is released in a "finished" state I will buy it.

    This does not include unfinished and broken, broken, or any other combination of anything.

    It means that the next time "finished" new content is released I will buy it.

    Until then, I have every intention of keeping my wallet closed. Just remember, even the best of intentions are sometimes not easily kept, but I have kept this one so far. I never needed ED's for the content I have access to, i doubt I will need them any time soon for the content I have access to either.


    "Finished" and broken is acceptable for me to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    I will make you a deal.

    When the very next time new content is released, if it is released in a "finished" state I will buy it.

    This does not include unfinished and broken, broken, or any other combination of anything.

    It means that the next time "finished" new content is released I will buy it.

    Until then, I have every intention of keeping my wallet closed. Just remember, even the best of intentions are sometimes not easily kept, but I have kept this one so far. I never needed ED's for the content I have access to, i doubt I will need them any time soon for the content I have access to either.


    "Finished" and broken is acceptable for me to buy.
    *shrugs*

    Fair enough I guess. As for myself, since this game is the only game I play anymore, I will spend my hard earned ducats on certain things the game offers that I like. When I can afford it. That said, I am holding out on purchasing the new content for the time being.

    If it was bright and shiny enough for my tastes, I'd buy it. But for now....meh.

    I'm just gonna stick to buying TP's when they're on sale, for now...or, if I NEED them desperately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    Attributes from the previous pair(s) would carry over to the ones I just switched to.
    Not a terribly bad thing though. Kinda nice having Light and Force damage on my Adamantine Knuckles with Fire, Ice and Acid augments.
    Would switch back and forth to correct it, but would only work right for a bit, then it would go back to the weird thingy.
    Didn't notice it happening in GH though. But, then again, I was awash in bloody giants.

    Speaking of which. Holy carp on a stick! You can't swing a dead kobold in that joint without hittin 20 friggin giants.

    Love it. Adds nicely to my resume.
    That is a new one to me.

    Were you alone?

    What ED are/were you in?

    If in a party, was one of them in Primal Avatar?

    If one was in Primal Avatar, did they take Summer Smoke?


    I ask about Primal and Summer Smoke as I just spent 10+ days tracking down a bug with 'wraps and Summer Smoke. Found that Summer Smoke can and does really bork elemental effects on 'wraps.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    That is a new one to me.

    Were you alone?

    What ED are/were you in?

    If in a party, was one of them in Primal Avatar?

    If one was in Primal Avatar, did they take Summer Smoke?


    I ask about Primal and Summer Smoke as I just spent 10+ days tracking down a bug with 'wraps and Summer Smoke. Found that Summer Smoke can and does really bork elemental effects on 'wraps.
    Other than my hire and panther, yes I was alone.

    I'd just switched from my maxed out GMoF to Dreadnaught

    I heard about the summer smoke thingy screwing up handwraps. But totally forgot about that until now. I bet that was most likely it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    Other than my hire and panther, yes I was alone.

    I'd just switched from my maxed out GMoF to Dreadnaught

    I heard about the summer smoke thingy screwing up handwraps. But totally forgot about that until now. I bet that was most likely it.
    It could be a possibility.

    Entering or leaving the AOE of Summer Smoke does bork 'wraps until you re-equip. Then they re-bork once your re-enter the AOE. I do not have my notes on that bug at hand, but 'think' they stay borked until a re-equip.

    Bork, bork, bork!

    Ok, get that out of my system - done channeling Swedish Chef....



    And yes, I did bug report my findings in great detail.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    It could be a possibility.

    Entering or leaving the AOE of Summer Smoke does bork 'wraps until you re-equip. Then they re-bork once your re-enter the AOE. I do not have my notes on that bug at hand, but 'think' they stay borked until a re-equip.

    Bork, bork, bork!

    Ok, get that out of my system - done channeling Swedish Chef....



    And yes, I did bug report my findings in great detail.


    I kept switching between handwraps, and it would work properly for a very short time, then back to Bork city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post


    I kept switching between handwraps, and it would work properly for a very short time, then back to Bork city.
    Interesting!

    If you want to try and track this down, and I'd be willing to help, would need some info from you.

    Type of 'wraps you were using and anything slotted.

    ED you were in at the time you noticed.

    What area of the Underdark you were in when noticed/what you were fighting.

    What buffs/debuffs you had at the time.

    Name of Hireling.

    Might be best for you to go back in and try to reproduce what you saw and take notes, even screenshots for reference. If you have the time, try to reproduce and take notes on everything. If you can do that, share with me via PM what you have seen or noted, and I will try to as well.

    With a place to start from I will go and try myself to reproduce.

    Little teamwork we might be able to find the source and get in a good report.


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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Interesting!

    If you want to try and track this down, and I'd be willing to help, would need some info from you.

    Type of 'wraps you were using and anything slotted.

    ED you were in at the time you noticed.

    What area of the Underdark you were in when noticed/what you were fighting.

    What buffs/debuffs you had at the time.

    Name of Hireling.

    Might be best for you to go back in and try to reproduce what you saw and take notes, even screenshots for reference. If you have the time, try to reproduce and take notes on everything. If you can do that, share with me via PM what you have seen or noted, and I will try to as well.

    With a place to start from I will go and try myself to reproduce.

    Little teamwork we might be able to find the source and get in a good report.

    I was in the part of the Underdark kinda between the spot where there are sleeping mobs and those fire salamander thingies when I first noticed it, and then it was like that for the duration.
    I was using the Epic Normal Adamantine Knuckles with Superior Fire, Ice and Acid Augments. Switching back and forth from +6 Coruscating Wraps of Disruption, +4 Forceful Wraps of Righteousness, and +6 Frozen Wraps with Acid Torrent.
    I had ship buffs, and no debuffs that I remember. The hire was the lvl 24 FVS.

    I was in Legendary Dreadnaught ED.

    I will try to recreate it this evening. No guarantees on the screenshot though, lol. I am not that computer savvy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    I was in the part of the Underdark kinda between the spot where there are sleeping mobs and those fire salamander thingies when I first noticed it, and then it was like that for the duration.
    I was using the Epic Normal Adamantine Knuckles with Superior Fire, Ice and Acid Augments. Switching back and forth from +6 Coruscating Wraps of Disruption, +4 Forceful Wraps of Righteousness, and +6 Frozen Wraps with Acid Torrent.
    I had ship buffs, and no debuffs that I remember. The hire was the lvl 24 FVS.

    I was in Legendary Dreadnaught ED.

    I will try to recreate it this evening. No guarantees on the screenshot though, lol. I am not that computer savvy.
    Thanks!

    Good place to start.

    And for clarification;

    Your Light/Force damage would apply to the Adam Knucks when equipped?

    Remember for how long?

    What server you on BTW?

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Thanks!

    Good place to start.

    And for clarification;

    Your Light/Force damage would apply to the Adam Knucks when equipped?

    Remember for how long?

    What server you on BTW?
    NP

    Yes, it was pretty cool when it was stacking with the knucks damage. But then it was like I was wearing the wraps I just changed from. It lasted until I stopped fighting, and equipped another set of wraps and started fighting again. Then, as I said, it would start up again in a few seconds.

    I'm on Orien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey1 View Post
    NP

    Yes, it was pretty cool when it was stacking with the knucks damage. But then it was like I was wearing the wraps I just changed from. It lasted until I stopped fighting, and equipped another set of wraps and started fighting again. Then, as I said, it would start up again in a few seconds.

    I'm on Orien.

    Thanks for the info - this is going to be a odd one and a pain to track down I think. But I love a good challenge!

    I'll start to gather up similar type of 'wraps today and hope to be able to hit Underdark this afternoon to see what I can see.

    If you think of anything, anything at all, to add, let me know. Don't care how small it might be or if you think it might not have anything to do with it, let me know.

    Stay in touch and I will as well.

    Let's see what we can do to track it down!

    When you can, get back down there to the same area and see if it happens again.


    To bad not on same server. Everytime someone finds something like this they are always on a different server.


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Thanks for the info - this is going to be a odd one and a pain to track down I think. But I love a good challenge!

    I'll start to gather up similar type of 'wraps today and hope to be able to hit Underdark this afternoon to see what I can see.

    If you think of anything, anything at all, to add, let me know. Don't care how small it might be or if you think it might not have anything to do with it, let me know.

    Stay in touch and I will as well.

    Let's see what we can do to track it down!

    When you can, get back down there to the same area and see if it happens again.


    To bad not on same server. Everytime someone finds something like this they are always on a different server.

    One thing I did notice though, I had to click on my wraps twice to get them to equip.
    Maybe lagmonsters.

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    I've seen others complain about the Summer Smoke bork, but I had the Nightmare effect on my Nightmare of Smiting wraps completely stop working inside eVON the other day (it seemed obvious because the visual quit showing mobs save against it on most hits). I had to swap wraps and back again to get the effect to come back. I looked around, but did not ask, to see if anyone had Summer Smoke enabled but couldn't find anyone. I only use those wraps in eVON, but next time I'm in, I'll check to see whether it happens again.

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