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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    This would be nice to know, yes.

    What's happening with renown? Will it go away permanently, or will small guilds once again get hammered with it?
    With all the leveling Guilds did during the break, if decay comes back, everyone will get hit hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    With all the leveling Guilds did during the break, if decay comes back, everyone will get hit hard.
    That is true. Everyone will get hit. Let's hope it stays away!
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Can we please get an idea/update on what will be the new formula for decay? I have not been removing inactive members as of yet because they are not causing decay, but if/when the break is over and we get a large spike in decay for them that will not be a good thing. Thanks in advance for any dev response.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilteck View Post
    Can we please get an idea/update on what will be the new formula for decay? I have not been removing inactive members as of yet because they are not causing decay, but if/when the break is over and we get a large spike in decay for them that will not be a good thing. Thanks in advance for any dev response.
    While I agree that decay should stay away, we would likely go back to the changed system if not - and in that system, decay is a set amount which depends only on guild level, NOT on guild size.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajMalphunktion View Post
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    Yes Lamannia is open over the weekend.
    Guild Decay- I know of no plans to change it from the way it is on live now. I heard some hallway discussions about some small decay for the top 10 levels but I don't know of any concrete plans.

    Yes, we are shifting our focus to doing what we do best, a few big tent dungeons instead of a ton of dungeons but most being 'popcorn'.Personally I keep asking for 2- Undermountain- done the size of a landscape and Expedition to the barrier peaks-which has to be the biggest fan service ever..but it would be SOOO cool. Then Gamma World, and Star Frontiers then Boot Hill...well, that was my tabletop campaign back in the 80's.

    As for the enhancement system. I'll admit I was dead set against it.(QA and caution) BUT now with testers sharing crazy builds and generally having a good time finding all the new loopholes for uber builds in the system...I've come around and I'm pretty excited about it.Testers never get excited about anything. I understand the long time hardcore being upset--it's how I felt with ED day in City of Heroes many years ago--but please try not to knee jerk.I didn't back then, and that change was better for the game in the long term, and ended up with people making far more interesting builds than pre-ED.
    There is some new interesting things in here...and yes there are some older builds that can be busted. Overall this is good for the game...good for new players, good for you guys--something to play around with--and good for us because updating the system now is trivial compared to the old way. Remember nothing is set in stone in an MMO. If this that or the other makes the fans mad, we can change it.We are absolutely listening, we know how risky this is. MMO's are like water, not concrete, in the way of skills and such there is nothing we cannot fix/adjust/revamp/replace.
    I'll post a few crazy builds over the next couple of days. I'm sure you guys will surpass them in a week.

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    We reached level 59 the other day and yet today are back at level 58 and need about 30K in renown to get back to level 59! We are a small close knit guild and this stuff needs to stop happening stop taking away renown we have earned and flushing it down the damn toilet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    We reached level 59 the other day and yet today are back at level 58 and need about 30K in renown to get back to level 59! We are a small close knit guild and this stuff needs to stop happening stop taking away renown we have earned and flushing it down the damn toilet!

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    This is weird... I haven't noticed decay coming for us. Hmm. Will have to keep an eye out.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Yeah I found it odd due to the "summer break" to be honest I'm not even sure how decay works so I don't really know if all the toons we have in the guild are hurting us or what. We have about 4 accounts which are active but each account has a lot of toons in the guild roster (I think I have 7 or so myself just to stop random invites) so I don't know if this is causing an issue and if we removed a lot of them would it help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    Yeah I found it odd due to the "summer break" to be honest I'm not even sure how decay works so I don't really know if all the toons we have in the guild are hurting us or what. We have about 4 accounts which are active but each account has a lot of toons in the guild roster (I think I have 4 or so myself) so I don't know if this is causing an issue and if we removed a lot of them would it help?

    Stoner81.
    Did anyone leave/get kicked recently?

    Decay has not been dependent on guild size for a long time now. So don't kick people because of that. If you do kick them, you may lose renown and alter your guild size bonus (for better or for worse, depending on guild size) for a while.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    Did anyone leave/get kicked recently?

    Decay has not been dependent on guild size for a long time now. So don't kick people because of that. If you do kick them, you may lose renown and alter your guild size bonus (for better or for worse, depending on guild size) for a while.
    Not that I know of, our guild size bonus is shrinking slowly so not sure if that is due to amount of players or just our level. Based on what you said I assume it's due to guild level? Sorry for all the n00b type questions but this really has me baffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    Not that I know of, our guild size bonus is shrinking slowly so not sure if that is due to amount of players or just our level. Based on what you said I assume it's due to guild level? Sorry for all the n00b type questions but this really has me baffled.

    Stoner81.
    Guild size shrinking is due to people's accounts going inactive. I do not remember exactly what the time frame is, but if people haven't logged in for a few weeks, they go inactive and nolonger count in the guild size number.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Ah right OK so for me for example I have about 7 toons in the guild roster but I login everyday with at least one of them so that will stop it from happening since "the account" is active if I have read you right here. I will ask the guild leader if he kicked anybody or anything, thanks for your help

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    Hmm. Even if decay was turned back on you wouldn't lose 30k renown overnight for a lvl 59 guild. More like 4.5k renown.

    It does sound like someone's either left the guild and so took some of their renown away (although you would likely have noticed if there are just 4 of you), or someone deleted an alt and had that particular toon quit the guild before deleting (rather than just deleting it from within the guild) which you may not have noticed if you all have a lot of alts.

    When you mouseover the Guild level number on the guild page, what does it say the modified account size is for you guild? (active - inactive + recent departures)

    If your guild renown bonus got smaller ... and you're already at only 4 active accounts, then either someone went inactive (not logged in for a month) or left and the two week penalty to size has expired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    Ah right OK so for me for example I have about 7 toons in the guild roster but I login everyday with at least one of them so that will stop it from happening since "the account" is active if I have read you right here. I will ask the guild leader if he kicked anybody or anything, thanks for your help

    Stoner81.
    You will have to stop logging in with ALL your characters for your account in the guild to go inactive.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zillee View Post
    When you mouseover the Guild level number on the guild page, what does it say the modified account size is for you guild? (active - inactive + recent departures)

    If your guild renown bonus got smaller ... and you're already at only 4 active accounts, then either someone went inactive (not logged in for a month) or left and the two week penalty to size has expired.
    Modified Account Size: 5 (7 active accounts, 2 inactive accounts and 0 recent departures).

    EDIT - Found the issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolero View Post
    Guild renown decay has taken a vacation! Starting today and running through the launch of the Shadowfell Conspiracy expansion on August 19th, guilds can enjoy a decay free summer! During this time, regardless of guild size or guild level, no guilds will be subject to renown decay rates of any type. Gather your guildies, seek out old members, and have fun together this summer!
    Summer vacation is long, long over. Please put school back in session and return guild renown decay.

    If you're not going to do so, please plainly state so and why, instead of just ignoring the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Summer vacation is long, long over. Please put school back in session and return guild renown decay.

    If you're not going to do so, please plainly state so and why, instead of just ignoring the issue.

    Leave it alone. Renown decay was a mistake that never should have happened.

    There are other more important issues to address in game than this.

    Leaving renown decay suspended harms no one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    Renown decay was a mistake that never should have happened.
    Turning it off was a mistake that never should have happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    There are other more important issues to address in game than this.
    What, only the most important issue is allowed to be discussed? Please, do tell: what is the issue for which there are definitely no more important issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    Leave it alone. Renown decay was a mistake that never should have happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Turning it off was a mistake that never should have happened.

    ...
    Comparing the renown threads between now and when decay was active - back then there were constant threads about guilds dumping folks trying to play the renown game.

    Since it has been switched off, those have gone away. One could assume that means guilds have stopped dumping folks for 'renown control' issues. For that reason alone I see it as a good thing that decay is suspended.

    The only reason I can see from outside the racetrack for anyone to be upset at lack of decay is because their guild isn't getting to sit at the top of the virtual hilltop by themselves. If I'm missing something, I'd be happy to read any other rational reasons to want decay back.

    Until then, I support NO renown decay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdbd3rd View Post
    Comparing the renown threads between now and when decay was active - back then there were constant threads about guilds dumping folks trying to play the renown game.

    Since it has been switched off, those have gone away. One could assume that means guilds have stopped dumping folks for 'renown control' issues.
    They went away before that. They went away when guild size stopped being part of the decay equation.

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