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    Default AS < with any type of True Reincarnation? Two little letters so much DooOOooOOmm?

    Okay read this:

    AS with any type of True Reincarnation, all Epic Destiny Levels earned will give you an advantage when you rebuild your character, by converting Destiny Levels into Heroic Ranks. Every level of Epic Destiny you have earned will count toward ranks earned for your next life. (Epic Destinies will not carry over to your next life, except those destinies that you have bonded in previous lives with ED TR.)

    Makes more sense now? More than likely just a miswording by Glin? Maybe. In fact the "all Epic Destiny levels" part does not make much sense unless you put "As" at the start of the sentence. Seriously remove the As again and then read it.

    Heroic TR remains primarily unchanged at level 20 or above

    That seems to corroborate... Wait wuts this:

    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before TR (below)


    Okay now I'm worried again... unless he meant to say:

    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before EPIC TR (below)[/I]

    Maybe.... so whats this about "below":

    Epic Destiny True Reincarnation

    (below) is clearly pointing to Epic TR so just "TR" doesn't make much sense unless he meant to write "EPIC TR (below)"... but forgot to put EPIC in there and scared the pants off everyone.

    I believe we have a big misunderstanding and it wouldn't be the first time either around here. Guess We'll find out tomorrow.

    My gut says this was all much ado...ooommMmmmMmm!!!!!!1111ONEONEONE about nothing
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    Except:

    "Heroic True Reincarnation


    Heroic TR remains primarily unchanged at level 20 or above
    Grants a Class Past Life Feat that can stack up to 3x
    Adds 2 build points up to a 36 point build
    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before TR (below)"

    Clearly states that Heroic TR will also be using the Epic Advantages for Epic Destinies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    Okay read this:

    AS with any type of True Reincarnation, all Epic Destiny Levels earned will give you an advantage when you rebuild your character, by converting Destiny Levels into Heroic Ranks. Every level of Epic Destiny you have earned will count toward ranks earned for your next life. (Epic Destinies will not carry over to your next life, except those destinies that you have bonded in previous lives with ED TR.)

    Makes more sense now? More than likely just a miswording by Glin? Maybe. In fact the "all Epic Destiny levels" part does not make much sense unless you put "As" at the start of the sentence. Seriously remove the As again and then read it.

    Heroic TR remains primarily unchanged at level 20 or above

    That seems to corroborate... Wait wuts this:

    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before TR (below)


    Okay now I'm worried again... unless he meant to say:

    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before EPIC TR (below)[/I]

    Maybe.... so whats this about "below":

    Epic Destiny True Reincarnation

    (below) is clearly pointing to Epic TR so just "TR" doesn't make much sense unless he meant to write "EPIC TR (below)"... but forgot to put EPIC in there and scared the pants off everyone.

    I believe we have a big misunderstanding and it wouldn't be the first time either around here. Guess We'll find out tomorrow.

    My gut says this was all much ado...ooommMmmmMmm!!!!!!1111ONEONEONE about nothing
    Keep reading what you quoted there, Sparky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before TR (below)"

    Clearly states that Heroic TR will also be using the Epic Advantages for Epic Destinies.
    As I showed, it also clearly points to (below) which is entitled "Epic TR" if you he meant to put Epic TR in there it all falls into place. Why would he mean Heroic TR and then tell you to read about it below in a section headed with the word "Epic".. That makes no sense.

    with any type of True Reincarnation, all Epic Destiny Levels earned will give you an advantage

    Doesn't make any sense, but seems to imply that "all" (any) TR's will wipe ED's, it does not explicitly state that nor is there any other place where that is explicitly stated.

    AS with any type of True Reincarnation, all Epic Destiny Levels earned will give you an advantage

    Does make sense, and doesn't imply that Heroic TR is the same as Epic TR...

    He clearly talks about two different TR mechansims, Heroic TR and Epic TR, he seems to have mistakenly left the word Epic out where he says to look below, whats below is "Epic TR"... er go what he meant to say appears to be "EPIC TR see below where it says Epic TR". When writing this and the previous post I had three occasions where I wrote TR and had to go back and put "Epic TR" in there because it's second nature to write TR and Epic is a new thing, it's easy to forget to differentiate.

    It's not like what I'm suggesting is far fetched, in fact many things in the post make a LOT more sense if you put "As" before the "With" and "Epic" before that "TR (Below)"

    Occams razor says that accidentally omitting the word As is far more likely than writing an entire sentence that's actually gobbledegook but happens to imply something bad. But turns into perfectly understandable and contextually sensible english with "As"

    As with most things on the internet, it is easier to go ape ess, than to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. Now that said if I'm wrong (and as with anything, that is always possible), then Glin's writing is nearly as bad as that game design choice (which may or may not have been his or hers as well) LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Systern View Post
    Keep reading what you quoted there, Sparky...
    Sorry nothing you highlighted even implies that it's Heroic TR's he's talking about when he's also brought up a new "Epic TR" concept. He's clearly defined that both an Epic and a Heroic TR system will exist, what he didn't do clearly was differentiate which one he's talking about in two little places in a long post filled with new conceptual game mechanics. Nor delineate which one does exactly what.

    The idea of wiping ED's for a heroic 1-20 TR is so bad on it's face that it seems very likely to be a misunderstanding. Two little words and that post makes a lot more sense and is a little less alarming.

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    Nah the way i read it, it clearly says any TR, if that is really not what they meant then they should correct that, cause if Heroic TR is unchanged my personal problems with the whole thing would pretty much be solved.

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    Looks pretty clear that its saying any ANY TR


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Looks pretty clear that its saying any ANY TR
    Yup, pretty clear to me, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Looks pretty clear that its saying any ANY TR
    That also seemed to be confirmed by the one dev post on the subject in the thread that this OP should have put this topic in.

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    Considering the uproar, I would think if it was a typo, they would have fixed it/issued a clarification statement by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Except:

    Heroic True Reincarnation:
    *Heroic TR remains primarily unchanged at level 20 or above
    *Grants a Class Past Life Feat that can stack up to 3x
    *Adds 2 build points up to a 36 point build

    *Benefits from the Epic Advantage if you earn Epic Destinies before TR (below)"

    Clearly states that Heroic TR will also be using the Epic Advantages for Epic Destinies.
    this.

    It is very hard to see this as a typo: it's in a list of things under the heading "Heroic True Reincarnation".

    BUT I do think it is LIKE a typographical error: it's a conceptual error: a "conceive-O"... "concepto?"... "conceivo?"... I got it now: it's an Epic Fail.
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    Okay I am wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).
    Glin should probably stick to game design and not public announcements... On the other hand if he or she thought this up, perhaps they should find a line of work that has a less demanding creative/imaginative skill set.

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    The preceding post makes the whole thing kind of moot, but I still wonder how does adding an "As" there improve anything.
    Bear with me here, English is my second language, so I may be missing something obvious...
    First thing, with "as" the "with" looks superfluous to me there, or another one is missing, like, I want to default to "As item a (and b), item c does thing d" or "As with item a (or b), you can obtain d with item c", but that doesn't seem to make much sense... :S

    Or, the "as with" is used to give a list of examples, which I think works better rearranged like this: "epic destiny levels gives you free ranks when rebuilding your character, as with any type of TR".
    Except that implies there's another way to rebuild your character and gain the free ranks, other than TRing. And it still doesn't differentiate between epic and non-epic TR.

    So yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Systern View Post
    Keep reading what you quoted there, Sparky...
    Yeah, this amused me. Quotes a big piece, ignores the important part at the end to quibble over the first word. "Epic Destinies will not carry over to your next life, except those destinies that you have bonded in previous lives with ED TR" is pretty clear - I'm not sure how it can be more clear, even ignoring the Epic Advantage paragraphs that follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindCakes View Post
    The preceding post makes the whole thing kind of moot, but I still wonder how does adding an "As" there improve anything.
    Bear with me here, English is my second language, so I may be missing something obvious...
    It doesn't. Ironclan was reaching, and man I wish he were correct. heh.

    Adding an "As" to the front doesn't change the meaning. Without "as," the sentence reads "This is how things are. (Any tr loses all unbonded destinies.)" Adding the "as" the sentence reads "This case is the same as all other cases. (Any tr loses all unbonded destinies.)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    implies
    Implies? No. The announcement pretty much states outright what's happening. How you are managing to misread it, I have no idea.

    that it seems very likely to be a misunderstanding.
    Turbine history disagrees with you. A lot. Like, super a lot. So much, that you'd have to be deliberately obtuse to think otherwise. Oh wait, I think we know what's happening now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalseFlag View Post
    Implies? No. The announcement pretty much states outright what's happening. How you are managing to misread it, I have no idea.

    Turbine history disagrees with you. A lot. Like, super a lot. So much, that you'd have to be deliberately obtuse to think otherwise. Oh wait, I think we know what's happening now.
    Wow, what's wrong with just wishful thinking? Look I was wrong and was the first to post that quote and admit it, but hey pile on, if that's something you need to do.

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