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    Aye, this the sticking point.

    Give me choices, lots of choices, let me keep my goodies as I please.
    Dangle some big carrots in the right places.
    First Epic TR:

    Bonds one maxed ED
    Grants EDPL feat
    Grants Heroic PL feat (if applicable)
    Starts you back at level one

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    Places in TR cache one 1M XP Stone for every one million XP in surplus ED

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    Places all surplus ED XP in an XP bank and routes you through a version of the Heart of Wind until you have spent it all,
    even if it means going through a few more ETR's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play.
    I don't disagree with you on your last point. The problem is that Turbine created this system and told us that heroic TR'ing would not remove our ED xp. Changing it at this point is an option that will lose you a lot of your most lucrative customers. If that's your mindset I wish you guys luck with the game...I won't be contributing to the bottom line anymore though. If a bait and switch can be pulled on 55% of my character's progress in the game, who's to say that you won't later do the same thing with the rest of my progress.

    My perspective is that the entire system you've outlined is completely fine. I agree with you 100% on everything you guys have said and done. But you can't pull a bait and switch on existing customers. If you don't grandfather in existing characters then you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. This will be the last straw for a lot of people and all it would take to address it is a little common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    We're going to lose epic destiny XP any way you slice it and this is basically going live is how I read this. Please correct me if I misunderstood or am reading too much into this.

    When this does go live all I can ask at this point in order to reduce the grind a bit is to take a serious look at increasing XP awarded in epic content. The reason I'm thinking this is because if all Destiny XP is going to be burned away with the exception of bonded destiny XP; who would pass up the opportunity to continue grinding out each destiny/life in order to speed up the process of gaining all of the epic past life feats and epic completionist.

    I'm pretty much convinced that yes, unless one is currently completely happy with and totally finished with their character build right now, ALL will be starting over from scratch the moment that they decide they want to TR, whether epic or heroic. It's really hard to swallow that this entire system was not thought about or at least considered way back when epic levels and epic destinies were introduced in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    I don't think you are quite grasping the size of the endeavour to get epic levels. Can I ask how many of you have actually tried to finish more then 3 epic destinies? Getting all ED's leveled is something that players that play a LOT, on characters they like have spent weeks and months on. Taking that away is IMHO ... Something a person with an IQ of less then 50 would do. You see how I managed not to use any of the bad words there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    In the first section, you're acting like Epic Level XP is bundled with ED XP, which everyone can see that it isn't. There is no reason to scrub the ED XP. All you are doing is kicking players in the face who have spent ANY time in the epic levels investing in the ED system. It doesn't matter if players have capped the EDs or if they only have a spattering of EDs unlocked, you are doing a heavy-handed penalty to everyone for investing time in Epic levels for the past year, if they ever plan to TR.

    There should be no reason to erase any ED XP when you TR, whether it is Heroic or Epic TR. If player bond with a ED before they Epic TR, they should get the past life feat or whatever for it, but all XP should stay the same. Everyone will be on an equal footing on the amount of XP and the number of times they need to TR to get full benefits of a completionist, if this is done. No one will be penalized at all. The only advantage that players that have XP in EDs already would have is that they would not need to re-grind the freaking EDs that they hate or don't work with their build/class. There would be no other advantage at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    I don't care what you do with epic TR. Heroic TR blanking out your ED XP is not acceptable. period, end of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    I love this development process!

    Step 1: Post potential change as an idea and solicit feedback from the player base.

    Step 2: Receive overwhelming negative feedback.

    Step 3: Throw resulting negative feedback into a fire and proceed to tell us you're going with the initial proposal anyways.

    Playing you guy's game is like being married to an abusive spouse, except my friends and family are encouraging me to stay in the relationship : /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).
    Why do you make it sound as if somehow we are cheating by using the system that exists now?

    Do you not realize that what you are suggesting gives us not a weird, but a very sensible desire to avoid epic play now? Since anything we do in the epic levels now will get burned up whenever this goes live.

    In the current system when we tr we gain nothing from epic. We just keep what we've earned. We're not looking to game the system and somehow get something extra out of it without earning it.

    From my perspective, i'm not one of the people who spent countless hours grinding out destinies for fate points. I played epics for awhile, and gained some ed experience. Then i tr'd. Thinking that i had made some progress in epic destinies which i could pick up from where i left off when i got to 20 again.

    Now, i have no desire to play epics at all, since i do still plan to perform more heroic tr's on all my characters. Any time i spend in epics between now and the time this goes live will feel completely futile. I'm one of those players that needs to make progress to enjoy this, or any other role playing game. Since nothing i do in epics now will ultimately result in any form of progress for me, i have no desire to do them.

    I know i'm not alone in this thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats). .
    You're missing the option that most will chose . . . never TR again EVER because the garbage that you are offering is not enough to make up for what you lose.

    Stop trying to tell us how to play the game. Most people hate the lame excuse for what you call an endgame and don't want to bother playing with it. maybe make some compelling content and a FRIGGIN RAID OR TWO instead of nerfing the only thing that keeps this game afloat (TR).

    I know it must be tough to accept that NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR NEW CONTENT compared to the better content that was made by the developers before you. Deal with it and stop taking it out on the people who pay the bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    1 you do not under stand my concern. let me say it again.

    any heroic tr that wipes my epic xp, is unacceptable. i wont do it, and i wont stick around after you make it happen.

    any epic tr that wipes my heroic xp is unacceptable. i wont do it, and i wont stick around after you make it happen.

    if you are concerned about people not wanting to play epics, you could make them fun or rewarding or interesting, maybe all three. making them mandatory is just more "take that you stupid customers"

    2 if the current proposed design goes live i will stop playing your game, i hate the proposal, i have not seen anything released in the past 2 years that makes me think this team could add anything to change my mind.

    in the past 7 months of refusing to fix the thing your poorly tested/rushed update broke on my account i have not given this company a dime. i have learned that you did not care about me as a paying customer. i have learned you dont care about repairing the trust i used to have so i will spend money on your game. i have no reason to believe you will listen to me as free customer.

    also can you please get some community college interns to fix this pile of junk that is the forums?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post

    I know i'm not alone in this thinking.
    You're not.

    Playing a game is a waste of time. A recreational activity. Shine a light on how much of a waste of time it really is and people will just not bother.

    This proposed change makes playing ANYTHING epic not a complete waste of time regarding character advancement. And loot? You gotta be kidding me who's hunting for loot when the level 28 stuff will invalidate everything we have now anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    Its great to hear ure reading player responses
    Id just like to point out what player pointed out earlier about xp - it would be great if it was added to your heroic XP but maxed out all EDs and 28 lvl are woth of sth around 20 milions of xp. Thats a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).
    I get what you're saying, but you are creating heroic TR disincentive where there was none before. You're basically admitting that what was done a year ago (allowing ED xp to carry through TR) was a mistake. Unfortunately, we as players are the ones that suffer from that mistake if it's fixed. Transferring ED xp into some form of heroic XP is a token gesture at best. The fact that a heroic TR destroys all ED xp (that wasn't currently bonded) and bonds none in the process means that any progress you make after level 20 is nearly completely wasted (aside from the token advantage).

    You've making heroic TR a "bad thing" to do and making ED TR the way to go. You get a bonded destiny, more epic advantage by virtue of leveling 20 - 28 and you get a heroic past life as well. Assuming things stay as they are proposed, heroic TR is a fools game. Something you do if you just don't understand the consequences.

    This also leads to a reduced purpose for True Druidic Heart of Wood in favor of the new EDTR widget. We have easy in game access to TDHoW through epic token turn in. People can pay through the DDO store or they can grind a reasonable amount in order to get it in game. We have absolutely no info at all on how the new widget will be distributed, either in game or through the store. It's safe to assume it will cost more than a TDHoW as it actually gives more back. The real question is, if I'm basically going ahead with 11 of these new TR's, will I have reasonable in game access to the new widget? Or will I be forced to pay each and every time because they are too rare to get reasonably? I've earned nearly all of my hearts of wood on my completionist through token turn in. I enjoy knowing that I earned it and didn't buy my access. That's something that keeps me interested in the game. Hopefully this new TR system will allow me that same flexibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Hi. Thanks again for your feedback and opinions on the proposed design of the new Epic TR. Here are some of the things the team is currently thinking about.

    We understand your concern about losing Epic Destiny XP upon reincarnation and not getting enough in return. So, we are investigating some different possibilities in regard to what a character gets after they reincarnate with Epic TR. We’d like to offer a system where the character gets credit for every XP they “burn” from an epic destiny. One scenario for this is that Epic Destiny XP will be converted to heroic XP (using a formula that adjusts for the different rates at which heroic and epic XP are gained). This converted XP would then be used to level up your reincarnated character. This could mean, for example, that a character with a large number of destinies maxed out could immediately level back up to level 20 even as a third life character. Again, this is just an example of one of the things we are considering, but it’s a definite possibility.

    Also, to answer a couple of additional questions:

    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).

    2. Currently, store bought Fate Points will be preserved after reincarnation. This will not change. We are investigating ways to somehow preserve regular in-game earned Fate Points, but, behind the scenes, they are different than store bought ones, so it is not completely certain that we will be able to preserve them. If we cannot preserve them, we will look for ways to compensate a character for them.

    Stay tuned for more info and explanations of this new system proposal early next week.
    So, long story short. Anyone grinding ed xp should simply stop. Got it.

    The most amusing part of all of this is, what incentive remains to purchase the expansion. Which provides 3 additional levels to add to ED xp totals.....only to have them wipe when U20 launches if one TRs. I can only recommend that people simply stop playing TRs, potential TRs, chars above level 20, chars you want to level to 20 until U20 launches. It is mind blowingly awful
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    and you didn't even consider fate points....laughable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play.
    On the other hand: Deleteing ED XP on Heroic TR gives a weird "incentive" to never ever TR again.

    Guess which "incentive" is stronger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokiewa View Post
    So, long story short. Anyone grinding ed xp should simply stop. Got it.

    The most amusing part of all of this is, what incentive remains to purchase the expansion. Which provides 3 additional levels to add to ED xp totals.....only to have them wipe when U20 launches if one TRs. I can only recommend that people simply stop playing TRs, potential TRs, chars above level 20, chars you want to level to 20 until U20 launches. It is mind blowingly awful
    Slightly disagree . . . playing end game is a waste of time but now IS the time to get your TRs done. Get them done before this idiotic change is made.

    This way in case DDO survives this "Microsoft" level of stupidity you won't have to TR again ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    . Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play.
    Burning my ed xp for heroic tr when you said that wouldn't happen has you providing a wierd incentive for us to find another game made by another company. Are you trying to take a loss on ddo for a tax write off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Stop trying to tell us how to play the game.
    They can do this...but once they tell us how to play the game they don't get to change their mind without losing a lot of paying customers. That's misleading at best.

    When our software company writes the program in a certain way, have everyone use the program that way, and then makes a change to how that works that negatively effects our customers, we make it right. We don't say, "well, that's not the way we meant it to work, this new way is better, now reenter all your information the way we meant it to be stored." We'd lose customers so fast we'd be out of business in a couple years. We've actually had an exact situation like that and what we did...we took hours of high level developer time to hand edit the databases of any customers that were effected to ensure their information was correct. We didn't even batch it - because to do that would be to risk something less than 100% of our customers time was returned.

    It was our change, after the fact, that caused the need for information to be reentered, and the responsibility was with us, not with our customers, to make it right. Turbine has that completely backward and after reading their most recent post I encourage everyone to publicize this in their in-game groups, with contacts in the gaming community (ie web sites with gaming news), and with any friends considering looking for a new game. Be honest - yes, DDO is a great game despite all of the bugs...but you can't trust the dev's to not wipe out your character's progress. Because at this point that's the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piloto View Post
    1. With the current design, after this system goes live, going through a Heroic TR will burn non-bonded epic destiny XP, but the character will be compensated for the burned XP. In other words, Heroic TR will work just like Epic TR except it will be available at level 20 instead of level cap and it will not grant Epic past life feats. Allowing Heroic TR to preserve ED XP sort of short-circuits the system, providing a weird incentive to avoid epic level play. You should use Heroic TR if you’d like to reincarnate at level 20 and want the benefits that Heroic TR gives (build points, past life feat). Otherwise, you should consider continuing up to level cap and reincarnating from there where you will get all the benefits of Heroic TR plus the additional benefit of Epic TR (epic past life feats).
    Heroic TR should not burn any kind of epic destiny XP (be it bound or not) and therefore, the character should not get a compensation in any form it doesn't already get. Whoever wants to avoid epic level play should be allowed to do so (some people actually prefer to do that, not my case, but I respect their choice and so should you devs). The obvious drawnback is that they will miss the Epic past life feats if they never perform an Epic TR, but this is how it should be anyway.

    Also, as I stated before, changing heroic TR now would be changing the rules in the middle of the game. It's not a fair thing to do. Some people planned in advance and are having their plans screwed.

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