So what you are proposing would be just as big slap in the face to me as it would be to wipe all the ED XP for everyone. The best solution, I shall repeat, is to erase the Epic Level XP when you TR while keeping the ED XP, but players must choose the ED to bond with to gain the TR perks for that life. Everyone will be roughly on the same footing. Everyone will need to TR the same amount of TRs to become a completionist. No one will lose anything.
Now there are certain aspects of the game that break this rule. We know that new loot will obsolete old loot eventually. However, this is a known factor. We play knowing this will happen. It's unfortunate that we have old underused loot, but there are no player illusions that this loot was ever going to be endgame forever. Epic TR also falls under this category. It's a completely new mechanic. I may not like the destiny wipe that is associated with an epic TR, but it doesn't break anything that was previously in place. It lives in its own mechanical bubble and I can take it or leave it. Discussion of epic TR is obviously important, but in the end it doesn't effect my game mechanic confidence the way that changing how heroic TR works.
Please do not wipe destiny xp on heroic TR. Don't change something that was already working fine to suit your whimsical needs and shake player confidence in the process. Nobody wins.
Kaarloe - Degenerate Matter - Argonnessen
Well... Ill say how I see it.
Im glad devs posted it in here before implementing and hope theyll read our opinions and adjust changes.
Few important matters for me.
1. This is EPIC TR - I was really hoping I wouldnt be put on lvl 1 again... (yeah yeah.. Destiny ranks... so lets say 12 or Iconic 15 lvl). Id like Epic TR to be 20-28 only. What Im asking for is:
a) Leave Heroic TR with no ED loss, as 1-20 TR.
b) Implement Epic TR as 28 to 20 drop with EDs loss and Epic Advantage.
Honestly - people who HAVE completionist and already ran probably like 20 times on 1 character 1-20 lvls are not going to be happy to have to do it again.
And for most playerbase - like me - even with tomes and pots and bravery doing heroic completionist is a looong grind. I mean - I play like medium 3-4 hours a day (which is more like 9 in weekend and a lot less other days... but medium is 3-4. My 1 TR 1-20 - not alone - with at least 1 friend who has time always when I do - on BB, and 10% pot being on all time and 30% pot on shadow crypt, litania and wizzking - this TR takes me around 2 months to complete. Its a lot of time.
Also - I TRed like 6 times (I play over 2 years now) and honestly - I really dont want to go thro the same again and again and again.
I really like the idea of Epic TR putting us at 20. Even if it means loss my grinded out EDs. But Id like some advantage over ppl who did not grind them out. Maybe lets put these in epic ranks too? So some ppl can start at lvl 24 already.
2. Loose of EDs.
Ok, I get it, its ETR and all... I may agree to loosing my EDs if like above:
ETR puts you on 20 and all destinies besides the bound one are giving you ranks to 20+.
3. Fate points:
This needs to be resolved - loosing them all after grinding them out wouldnt be cool...Maybe leave them as they are with max cap.
I have one idea.... You may resign from fate points from your non-bound destiny to be able to put XP in one destiny, but play in your main one.
Summary - my vision of Epic True Reincarnation:
You loose all EDs besides the bound ones - when you ETR your active destiny becomes bound.
You land on lvl 20 and all xp from non-bound destinies are given you back to your 20+ lvl.
Also after every TR for each ED you gain some past life or however to call it.
You dont loose your fate points - but you cant get more than X. You have an option to resign from all your fate points from unbound destinies which gives u ability to be in your main picked destiny and earn xp for another one.
Heroic TR stays as it is - with no touch to EDs.
Last edited by Kayla93; 06-13-2013 at 12:52 PM.
If you want to reward us for the work, rather than punish us, do this:
"When you Epic TR you must have 1 active, non-bonded, max level ED. This ED is bonded and reset(but still unlocked!) and you get it's past ED feat. No other ED is touched, but fate points ARE lost for the ED that is reset. Upon reincarnation you receive exp enough for 7 bonus levels(or 3 for an iconic)."
Also, if you go forwards with this backwards notion you initially proposed what are you going to with those of us who bought keys of fate?
Seriously, why do you think you 'have to go back to them' with that character? Just don't ETR the character(s) you ground out max destinies for. The rewards aren't worth it if you don't enjoy re-acquiring those xps.
I've got one character with a lot of EDs who I will never ETR for that reason. Problem solved.
Eternal Infinity: Wruntjunior ~ DI Sorc // Youngwrunt ~ Survivalist Paladin // Wruntarrow ~ Monkcher // Wruntsonmonk ~ Wis-Based Monk
For max level toons the big difference was: when you did one more AA, your toon got better. Mostly by miniscule amounts, but still better. In DDO when you cap one more destiny, you'll end up with a way worse toon with a fresh 0-level destiny. Here the the destiny grind is just annoying. You either gimp your toon for a long time to grind the destinies on easy content / farming for gear, or you decide to fry your brain and go insane by repeating same boring quest a gazillion times for 30+ hours. I did do one ID-farm for 1 hour, won't be doing the same any time soon.
Chaining TR is fun enough, and the tactics of doing 3-4 tiers of the next destiny bubble means I only have to repeat the epic quests at most once before TRing back to Bravery-running quests once each. New system means I'll just skip epic content for good, leaving plenty of fun quests untouched. Sounds boring enough: without the occasional epic stuff, the newbie quests get boring too. Doom and game dying imminent, or at least a personal retire, I even dropped from our TR train due to not really bothering right now, maybe I'll catch up, maybe not, time will tell.
(Disclaimer: no, I don't have maxed destinies, at most maybe 5 destinies at 3-5 bubbles. And I still think this sucks balls enough to retire as it stands).
And they said they were PLANNING on trying to implement it later this year. It's not a for real thing until it's and update on lammania.
So, maybe you should get your facts straight too.
I'm not a fan of Heroic TR resetting ED XP, and I've posted my feedback and possible solutions, but i also don't expect them to completely rework their ideas in a day. Instead, I now wait, and if i haven't seen any proposed changes to the system by this time next week, I'll post my thoughts again, in general or suggestions/ideas.
Say you have all 11 capped, and you want to get the ED past life for Fury... Well, you Epic TR, lose all exp in the Fury ED ONLY... But you get the "past-life" for Fury, and now you have to recap just Fury.. but it costs 3 million instead of 1.9 million... But the good news is that it probably is an ED you LIKE (since you wanted the "past-life" benefit), so releveling in it might actually be somewhat fun...
Well, after having been logged out while typing a reply numerous times.. (I thought this was fixed?!?!)
I'll shorten my response to this:
1. Losing months worth of effort grinding out destinies just to reincarnate is a terrible idea. Please don't do this. I will never TR again if this is implemented. It takes all the effort, feel-good, progression (call it what you will) and throws it in the trash if you decide you want to TR.
2. Heroic TR and Epic TR should have absolutely nothing to do with each other. This is the way they were designed, and it works just fine. Allow Epic TR's to restart at lvl 20 without impacting any of their heroic build choices. Allow Heroic TR to restart at level 1 without impacting any of their EP build choices.
So far those are my 2 copper.
There are so many more, but frankly, I'm disgusted by these intial ideas, and it appears I'm not alone on this.
Please don't kill this game, it's nearly on life support already. Couple bad management with rushed buggy products and poorly conceived ideas and... *sigh*
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Originally Posted by Chilldude
Quote Originally Posted by SerPounce View Post Keep the current TR system in place where you don't loose Destiny XP. Then ad an epic system that erases one destiny's XP at a time (not all of them) then you have to regrind it at an increased cost like current heroic TR.THIS
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