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    Default question about supreme +4 tome of supreme supremeness

    So, they have this +4 to all stats tome on sale (min level 15?) for 3500~ish tp. Does this give you +4 to all stats (replacing existing tome bonuses)? It isn't an upgrade tome, just a straight +4 add or replacement for what is already there, right? I am not 100% clear on it, and don't want to by it if it doesnt do that...

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    Only the highest tome value applies, so let's say you have a Strength of 10. If you use a +2 tome, your strength will increase to 12. If you then use a +4 tome, your Strength will go up to 14 (10+4=14.) This will be the case for all of your stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    Only the highest tome value applies, so let's say you have a Strength of 10. If you use a +2 tome, your strength will increase to 12. If you then use a +4 tome, your Strength will go up to 14 (10+4=14.) This will be the case for all of your stats.
    So just to make sure I understand, the +4 supreme tome currently on sale for ~3500 tp would give you +4 to all of my stats assuming that I am at level 15 to use the tome, with no +1,2, or 3 tomes needed, JUST the +4 tome?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrag View Post
    So just to make sure I understand, the +4 supreme tome currently on sale for ~3500 tp would give you +4 to all of my stats assuming that I am at level 15 to use the tome, with no +1,2, or 3 tomes needed, JUST the +4 tome?
    Yeah, just the +4 tome; AFAIK. I believe they're on sale right now for 20% off too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrag View Post
    So just to make sure I understand, the +4 supreme tome currently on sale for ~3500 tp would give you +4 to all of my stats assuming that I am at level 15 to use the tome, with no +1,2, or 3 tomes needed, JUST the +4 tome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrag View Post
    So just to make sure I understand, the +4 supreme tome currently on sale for ~3500 tp would give you +4 to all of my stats assuming that I am at level 15 to use the tome, with no +1,2, or 3 tomes needed, JUST the +4 tome?
    To clarify, supreme tomes aren't tomes, they're collections of tomes. And they're bta. If you buy a +4 supreme tome you get the following added to your inventory:

    bta +4 str tome
    bta +4 dex tome
    bta +4 con tome
    bta +4 int tome
    bta +4 wis tome
    bta +4 cha tome

    You can then mix and match which character uses which +4 via the shared bank.

    EDIT: It appears that this is only true for upgrade tomes, like "supreme +3 to +4." Reports later in this thread indicate that an actual supreme +4 tome (not an upgrade from +3) is just a single tome that applies +4 to all stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    To clarify, supreme tomes aren't tomes, they're collections of tomes. And they're bta. If you buy a +4 supreme tome you get the following added to your inventory:

    bta +4 str tome
    bta +4 dex tome
    bta +4 con tome
    bta +4 int tome
    bta +4 wis tome
    bta +4 cha tome

    You can then mix and match which character uses which +4 via the shared bank.
    this is a great way to boost the primary stat on several characters. if you are like me and keep a stable of different classes. I bought one of these and used the intel on my wizard, the charisma on my sorc and the str + dex on my rogue. so my three main characters each got a nice boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendo View Post
    this is a great way to boost the primary stat on several characters. if you are like me and keep a stable of different classes. I bought one of these and used the intel on my wizard, the charisma on my sorc and the str + dex on my rogue. so my three main characters each got a nice boost.
    Now that is infinitely cool. And a great bargain.

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    Just FYI, if you ever LR or GR and want more skill points, the one disadvantage of using only +4 tomes is that the bonuses do not kick in until lvl 15, possibly costing some skill points as you level up (+1 kicks in at lvl 3, +2 at lvl 7, +3 at lvl 11, and so forth). However, if someone has tried just using a +4 (or +2 or +3) tomes and the bonus still starts kicking in at lvl 3, kindly post and let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texlaw1992 View Post
    Just FYI, if you ever LR or GR and want more skill points, the one disadvantage of using only +4 tomes is that the bonuses do not kick in until lvl 15, possibly costing some skill points as you level up (+1 kicks in at lvl 3, +2 at lvl 7, +3 at lvl 11, and so forth). However, if someone has tried just using a +4 (or +2 or +3) tomes and the bonus still starts kicking in at lvl 3, kindly post and let me know.
    They kick in as you relevel through the LR/GR, so eating a +4 tome then LR/GRing gives you +1 at 3, +2 at 7, +3 at 11 and +4 at 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    To clarify, supreme tomes aren't tomes, they're collections of tomes. And they're bta. If you buy a +4 supreme tome you get the following added to your inventory:

    bta +4 str tome
    bta +4 dex tome
    bta +4 con tome
    bta +4 int tome
    bta +4 wis tome
    bta +4 cha tome

    You can then mix and match which character uses which +4 via the shared bank.
    I just got one yesterday and it was a single tome as it was the last 3 times I got one that raised all stats by +4
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtreats View Post
    I just got one yesterday and it was a single tome as it was the last 3 times I got one that raised all stats by +4
    So you are saying that EllisDee is wrong and a package of tomes is in fact not what you get? You get one tome named "supreme +4" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partydeluxe View Post
    So you are saying that EllisDee is wrong and a package of tomes is in fact not what you get? You get one tome named "supreme +4" ?
    As far as i remember the +3 tome i bought a while ago was a single tome for all stats, the +3 to +4 supreme was a tome for each stat.
    I'll just assume here it's the same for +4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    To clarify, supreme tomes aren't tomes, they're collections of tomes. And they're bta. If you buy a +4 supreme tome you get the following added to your inventory:

    bta +4 str tome
    bta +4 dex tome
    bta +4 con tome
    bta +4 int tome
    bta +4 wis tome
    bta +4 cha tome

    You can then mix and match which character uses which +4 via the shared bank.
    That's incorrect. Unless something changed recently its a single tome. It's the UPGRADE that is actually 6 separate tomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    They kick in as you relevel through the LR/GR, so eating a +4 tome then LR/GRing gives you +1 at 3, +2 at 7, +3 at 11 and +4 at 15.
    The benefit of LR/GR/TRing with a +4 tome is that it is applied when you level up BEFORE it calculates your skill points. This is nice as you can get +2 skill points over eating a tome at level since you have to eat the tome AFTER you have chosen your skill points for that level.
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    It was my understanding that the 3 to 4 upgrade was a full set of bta upgrades as well, however, when I went to test this it would not let me buy it as I already had a +4 tome used. So it appears that it only gets you one tome that increases all stats, not one per stat that you can moved around between toons in shard bank.
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    NM with the upgrade you do get a full set, you simply can't purchase them on a character that has one or more +4 tome. I was able to buy the upgrades on a new toon and place them in my shared bank to use between my characters as I wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtreats View Post
    I just got one yesterday and it was a single tome as it was the last 3 times I got one that raised all stats by +4
    I can verify. I have used 4 of the +3 Ultimate Tomes and 5 upgrade to +4 ultimate tomes (of various starting levels) (8 primary characters). Each has been a single some with all 6 stats updated upon reading them just like the prior ultimate tomes before.

    Oh and there are two types of upgrades. Upgrades to single stats and upgrades to all stats. I have used both (singles for my mules adding like str) and all stats (for my primaries).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtreats View Post
    I just got one yesterday and it was a single tome as it was the last 3 times I got one that raised all stats by +4
    Downer.

    Thanks much for the correction, I added an edit to the post where I said it came as a collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    To clarify, supreme tomes aren't tomes, they're collections of tomes. And they're bta. If you buy a +4 supreme tome you get the following added to your inventory:

    bta +4 str tome
    bta +4 dex tome
    bta +4 con tome
    bta +4 int tome
    bta +4 wis tome
    bta +4 cha tome

    You can then mix and match which character uses which +4 via the shared bank.

    EDIT: It appears that this is only true for upgrade tomes, like "supreme +3 to +4." Reports later in this thread indicate that an actual supreme +4 tome (not an upgrade from +3) is just a single tome that applies +4 to all stats.

    I can also confirm the +3 to +4 'Supreme' is actually a tome bundle (best deal of the bunch for players with multiple upper level characters that may have already eaten any combination of tomes already).

    Maybe rename it as a Tome Combo vs. Supreme tome? I'll just continue to think of it as Combo #5 for my own amusement.

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