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    Default Real Money Auction House prices on different servers

    Pure curiosity here. How much do epic dragon helms and lesser hearts of wood sell for on your server?

    On Thelanis, they start at 30$ real money (400 shards) and go way up from there.

    Also, is your regular auction house now completely void of anything decent? Ours is. Pay house is well stocked though. Have you seen the same thing happen on your server?

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    On Sarlona it is the same.

    You can't get anything good from the plat AH unless you are extremely lucky with your timing.
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    I am on Thelanis aswell, so no new specifics here
    However I have noted that trading is going well on the "pay house", which will only help enforceing the process of people posting their EE stuff there - just bought myself a black dragon helm the other day for shards earned by selling other items there.
    ...and yes, it has been a while since I saw anything on the plat AH that was worth buying, except for maybe the odd twink item for leveling.
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    I just checked all the servers after remembering that I could do that.

    Prices in the real money auction houses are all oddly high and pretty consistent with the exception of Cannith. The old auction houses are all pretty empty when it comes to higher end items.

    This either means that the entire DDO community has decided to abandon the old auction house and switch to a real money system, and have, across servers, decided that decent items should start at 30$, or it means that the auction houses are being manipulated for profit. Neither option makes me feel particularly good about the state of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaviusMaximus View Post
    Pure curiosity here. How much do epic dragon helms and lesser hearts of wood sell for on your server?

    On Thelanis, they start at 30$ real money (400 shards) and go way up from there.

    Also, is your regular auction house now completely void of anything decent? Ours is. Pay house is well stocked though. Have you seen the same thing happen on your server?
    No the regular AH has plenty of decent items. Just now Im finding EE items all through the Plat AH. The pay house is poorly stocked actually. No more than 5-6 items per category. Eventually this will change though as Im sure Turbine wants everything to go to the ASAH so they get more money. Soon they will start to manipulate the market.

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    On Sarlona it is the same.

    You can't get anything good from the plat AH unless you are extremely lucky with your timing.
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    I am on Thelanis aswell, so no new specifics here
    However I have noted that trading is going well on the "pay house", which will only help enforceing the process of people posting their EE stuff there - just bought myself a black dragon helm the other day for shards earned by selling other items there.
    ...and yes, it has been a while since I saw anything on the plat AH that was worth buying, except for maybe the odd twink item for leveling.
    I don't see how its enforcing ppl to post on the ASAH. Its nearly empty ATM.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlaviusMaximus View Post
    I just checked all the servers after remembering that I could do that.

    Prices in the real money auction houses are all oddly high and pretty consistent with the exception of Cannith. The old auction houses are all pretty empty when it comes to higher end items.

    This either means that the entire DDO community has decided to abandon the old auction house and switch to a real money system, and have, across servers, decided that decent items should start at 30$, or it means that the auction houses are being manipulated for profit. Neither option makes me feel particularly good about the state of the game.
    I believe its the ASAH that's actually dieing. People will not tolerate having to pay additional real money for items they can farm. Only a select few seem to like the ASAH. Everyone I have asked about it which is a considerable amount don't use it and refuse to use it for just that reason. But again Im sure that will change as IMO Turbine will start manipulating the market by eliminating the plat AH or purchasing all good items off the plat AH and posting on the ASAH to force ppl to purchase from it.

    Gotta remember 3% (if that) actually post on the forums and more pple dislike the ASAH compared to liking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thame View Post
    I believe its the ASAH that's actually dieing. People will not tolerate having to pay additional real money for items they can farm. Only a select few seem to like the ASAH. Everyone I have asked about it which is a considerable amount don't use it and refuse to use it for just that reason. But again Im sure that will change as IMO Turbine will start manipulating the market by eliminating the plat AH or purchasing all good items off the plat AH and posting on the ASAH to force ppl to purchase from it.

    Gotta remember 3% (if that) actually post on the forums and more pple dislike the ASAH compared to liking it.
    I do remember that, but I also see what is going on at least on Sarlona. The plat ah has many many less total pages than the asah one. The day it opened, despite the vociferous protests of people on the forums that they would never use it, it shot up to 69 pages in under four hours of items for sale. That was not a trickle of interest, it was a deluge. (Forgive me the Ana pun, I couldn't help it).

    It continues to go strongly today. There is a great deal of interest in it. I think the prices are crazy, but what do I know. I also thought 2 million plat for an sos scroll was crazy, but I still paid it for a gift to my husband since there was no other offers available at the time and a ridiculous amount of evons farming failed to net me a scroll. Which of course fell the next month, so now I have one too. LOL

    Not everyone makes plat easy. I sadly know a bunch of multilife broke tr's that just never managed their plat well, constantly whim buying everything at the ah. I have no idea where their plat goes, but they don't have any. But astral shards ARE easier to get than plat I suppose, just a single click and some cash. Or vips with a lotta built up turbine points(I knew a guy who had like 12 or 13k because he'd been vip forever, constantly tring and grinding more, and never bought ANYTHING). So it's still possible clever players use it without ever paying a real cent.

    It's not a simple issue, and I can't really predict if it will fail or not with confidence, but right now it does not seem likely from my experience just on my server that it will anytime soon. So many people I interact with go on and on about how much they hate it, but then in the next breath they complain about how much tp they had to spend on astral shards, which unless you really like repairing your eq in the dungeon or the daily dice, pretty much means they are using it all the same. I think it's just fashionable to complain about it or something based on this behavior.
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    I don't even look at the real money AH as you call it.

    To me, it seems that Sarlona is quite possibly the highest priced server for the AH. I played on Argonesson during the release of the Shard AH, I also play on Cannith and Ghallanda, but I cannot reference those as those were pre Shard AH.

    What few shards I have, just accumulate. I might use them for augments but once I get my characters to between 8th and 11th level, I will leave Sarlona.

    I find Sarlona to be mostly devoid of twink gear on the plat AH. Almost impossible to find any twink gear at the brokers too.

    Trying to find Cloaks of Resistance is nigh impossible. I was playing on Argonesson when the Shard AH came out. I was able to find twink gear at times. On Sarlona, it is a barren wasteland. I suppose it is all on the Shard AH, but I won't buy shards to get stuff on the shard AH.

    I put whatever trash loot I find on the plat AH at prices below base value and they sell. But a lot of the stuff on the plat AH is just ridiculously high. My guess, the players on Sarlona all know how to get plat easily, or they all just abused the Plat Giveaway during the first Cove event, and plat is plentiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thame View Post
    No the regular AH has plenty of decent items. Just now Im finding EE items all through the Plat AH. The pay house is poorly stocked actually. No more than 5-6 items per category. Eventually this will change though as Im sure Turbine wants everything to go to the ASAH so they get more money. Soon they will start to manipulate the market.

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    But again Im sure that will change as IMO Turbine will start manipulating the market by eliminating the plat AH or purchasing all good items off the plat AH and posting on the ASAH to force ppl to purchase from it.
    I don't think it's Turbine, probably it are some traders that are doing this.

    The prices they ask on ASAH are way of the chart, most expensive thing I've bought from there is an EE Shadow Mail with Impulse on it.

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    The stuff DOES sell, so SOMEONE is buying those shards, but I bet there is good amount of people who just bought maybe initial 30 - 100 shards and are playing asah "game" smartly.

    Plat AH is empty, you can find maybe EN GH stuff from end reward or rare EE Fetish, Bulwark or those gloves ( I forgot the name )

    Good stuff is on asah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veles View Post
    The stuff DOES sell, so SOMEONE is buying those shards, but I bet there is good amount of people who just bought maybe initial 30 - 100 shards and are playing asah "game" smartly.

    Plat AH is empty, you can find maybe EN GH stuff from end reward or rare EE Fetish, Bulwark or those gloves ( I forgot the name )

    Good stuff is on asah.
    When I post on the AH or the ASAH, I check what the lowest price is for the item I want to post, then I undercut them by a LOT.

    Not going to rake someone over the coals for items.

    I am regularly posting augments on the AH for base price too.

    If something does not sell on the ASAH, it will immediately go to the AH for cheap and will usually sell very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Not going to rake someone over the coals for items.
    If this was the game of thrones, you would lose.

    I, on the other hand, would like to thank all Thelanians for purchasing my fine wares for exorbitant shard prices.

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    The issue I see is most people have the same plan: Dont buy shards, and instead earn them from sales of items on the ASAH. The issue there is that someone has to buy the shards, and Turbine has it set up so that a good portion of those shards are synced out of the market - in an effort to keep a populace that mostly avoids buying shards like the plague, buying more shards.

    So the ASAH remains pretty high priced and stagnant. Stuff put on the PAH at anything remotely resembling a reasonable price ends up being bought for plat and then put on the ASAH for a high price, where it sits. Few people want to pay 20-30 dollars for quest loot that only gives them a slightly better bonus than the loot they already have fron normal and hard difficulty play.
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    On Sarlona.

    There's been a few items I've monitored pretty closely, including EE Black Dragon Helms. I see a lot of really high prices, and I see a lot of helms getting relisted over and over. Overall it seems like eventually the helms drop to about ~400-500 before they are bought.

    There are several factors going on with the ASAH right now and prices are not stable yet IMHO. You absolutely can't trust that the prices you see in the ASAH are the prices people are paying, until you see the bids increasing on specific items and items being bought for buyout before the timer goes off. This can be hard to notice; I had an item for sale go from 10 shards to full buyout of 200 in the last hour of bidding.

    1) There were quite a few shards out in the wild when the ASAH first took off - many owned by people with no desire to use shards or to buy more. Those people are spending their shards on useful items instead. This creates a class of users who have 0 value for shards and will spend whatever they have at whatever price because they don't care about them. This group is pretty destabilizing for prices. I'm guessing these users have just about run out of shards by now, however.

    2) Next you have a group of players who have no intention of buying shards, but are looking to collect them to buy the high level equipment they want - stuff that is worth more than 2M plat. This group is likely pretty large; after all, it's an F2P MMO so there's a lot of people with the grinder mentality already, and many people were already content to sell lots of worse gear to pay for one large item. This group is the reason the AH is empty of medium strength items; you weren't finding many EE items on the AH before, because they were worth more than you could get in the AH. But now it's difficult to find the EH versions also, because people who pull those want to sell them to buy EEs, so they sell them on the ASAH to get shards - plat is worthless to them. Often times people in this group don't have much value for the shards other than the specific gear they want to pull, so they'll just collect shards until they have enough to buy the item they want, regardless of cost. People with that mentality in the group are also destabilizing for prices, as the shards again have no value to them.

    3) You'll also have a group of players who are treating the shards as a currency, and thus being frugal with their spending. They may otherwise fall into the previous category, but now are not going to overpay for an item just because it's gear they need; they'll insist on appropriate value. This group will include all those who are "playing the market" with shards - in any game, if you introduce a market, there will be those who play to optimize the market, it's human nature. This group is good for the stability of prices, but will also strip the AH bare in an attempt to "convert up" plat to shards.

    4) Finally you have those who fund the system. They're buying more shards with cash. This group helps bring sufficient liquidity to the currency of shards. If this group isn't introducing enough shards into the system, it will start to collapse on itself and you'll see the EH items move back to the AH as there's not enough currency to waste in the small transactions. If they are introducing large amounts of shards, it will lead to shard inflation until the system stabilizes to some degree. This is likely to change over time so shard prices may never really stabilize long term.

    So, there's a lot going on with this economy, and it's going to take a while to really shake out. However, I wouldn't expect to see even moderately useful end-game items for sale for plat very often for several months to come at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaviusMaximus View Post
    I just checked all the servers after remembering that I could do that.

    Prices in the real money auction houses are all oddly high and pretty consistent with the exception of Cannith. The old auction houses are all pretty empty when it comes to higher end items.

    This either means that the entire DDO community has decided to abandon the old auction house and switch to a real money system, and have, across servers, decided that decent items should start at 30$, or it means that the auction houses are being manipulated for profit. Neither option makes me feel particularly good about the state of the game.
    of course the real money ah's are being manipulated. But turbine has decided to turn a blind eye to such shenanigans.

    I never use the shard ah. not going to contribute to the enrichment of others just to play a game.

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