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    Default How easy is NWO?

    Even a brainless bot can play the game, and its good compared to the players Found this on YouTube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le8yu...ature=youtu.be

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaze44 View Post
    Even a brainless bot can play the game, and its good compared to the players Found this on YouTube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le8yu...ature=youtu.be
    NWO, now thats a Ministry song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamkatt View Post
    NWO, now thats a Ministry song.

    New World Order!
    Took one look at the Cursor-based-movement-style, didn't really get any farther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamkatt View Post
    NWO, now thats a Ministry song.

    New World Order!
    Jesus build my hotrod!

    Bah, how old are we?


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    Quote Originally Posted by My2Cents View Post
    Took one look at the Cursor-based-movement-style, didn't really get any farther.

    I was able to get by that for a little bit...

    The only real "hard' part to NWO was dying. You had to put in real effort to actually loose in combat. Going afk to make a sammich while in the middle of combat didn't even do it, seriously.

    Epitome of lowest common denominator IMO.

    I will say it did look good graphically and that is about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    I notice their bot works on LOTRO too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I was able to get by that for a little bit...

    The only real "hard' part to NWO was dying. You had to put in real effort to actually loose in combat. Going afk to make a sammich while in the middle of combat didn't even do it, seriously.

    Epitome of lowest common denominator IMO.

    I will say it did look good graphically and that is about it.
    You realize it gets harder right? Until you complete tier 3 dungeons, I don't think you have any room to talk about how hard the game is. It's like running out into korthos explorer and thinking that's all the challenge the game has to offer.

    "Look at all dem dead Swaw'gins, so easy!"

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    LOL he named his toon (or hireling) "io sono sciocco" which means "i am dumb".

    Aside that, i am quite impressed by the AI of this bot so i am curious to know if the game is really so easy or he was in a very easy/low level zone, if anyone knows.

    Also, i liked the very smooth animations.
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    Funny video. the poster went to the effort to hide his level but based on the damage #s and the missions he is way over-leveled for the public area he is in. You can also see that from the little xp progress being made.

    That would be the roughly the equivalent of going into kobold assault with your palemaster and having the bot renew your aura and spamming energy bursts. The kobolds wouldn't stand a chance. Also the palemaster would be sucking down sp pots every so often and would have his panther out to compare it to the video. I don't think the bot would do so well in foundry quests which scale to your level.

    NWO is a completely different game than DDO and the overlap of DDO players that would potentially play both is maybe 30% or so. NWO will generally appearl to the more casual gamer that doesn't have as much time to play. The quests are all scaled for solo difficulty (including the public area the bot is in) even if you are in a party The big challenge in the game is the high level dungeons which doesn't include the public area in the video. At least currently the success rate of the hardest high level NWO dungeons is much lower than DDO EEs or raids.

    The people I know playing it are bright people and seem to enjoy it. I've enjoyed it when I've played it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    At least currently the success rate of the hardest high level NWO dungeons is much lower than DDO EEs or raids.
    Even neverwinter is completely broken when talking about difficulty balance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargouille View Post
    We absolutely planned for Fighter to still have Haste Boost. It's absolutely a bug. Any similar issues that look "wrong" to any player should be bugged.
    Developers should fix this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phemt81 View Post
    Even neverwinter is completely broken when talking about difficulty balance?
    It has the same issue as DDO where some people say it is too easy and some people say it is too hard. The quests are set for solo difficulty by design, even if you run with a friend. Capping is intended to be quick and easy in NWO and the challenge is in the higher level content. The toughest high level dungeons have high failure rates at the moment and there is only normal/epic difficulty level so there isn't an option to dial the quest difficulty down like we have in DDO.

    I wouldn't say broken, but it needs improvement for sure. I would definitely give DDO the nod when it comes to dungeon difficulty because it can be customized and seems more balanced/mature then NWO. For some people it's a real rude awakening when they run their first tough dungeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    Funny video. the poster went to the effort to hide his level but based on the damage #s and the missions he is way over-leveled for the public area he is in. You can also see that from the little xp progress being made.

    That would be the roughly the equivalent of going into kobold assault with your palemaster and having the bot renew your aura and spamming energy bursts. The kobolds wouldn't stand a chance. Also the palemaster would be sucking down sp pots every so often and would have his panther out to compare it to the video. I don't think the bot would do so well in foundry quests which scale to your level.

    NWO is a completely different game than DDO and the overlap of DDO players that would potentially play both is maybe 30% or so. NWO will generally appearl to the more casual gamer that doesn't have as much time to play. The quests are all scaled for solo difficulty (including the public area the bot is in) even if you are in a party The big challenge in the game is the high level dungeons which doesn't include the public area in the video. At least currently the success rate of the hardest high level NWO dungeons is much lower than DDO EEs or raids.

    The people I know playing it are bright people and seem to enjoy it. I've enjoyed it when I've played it.
    Level is shown in lower right corner, level 45, Helm's Hold is 30-35.

    XP is not an issue for NWO, more than likely grinding consumables.

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    eh i'd say its pretty much as hard as ddo. Ranging from God I feel like im cheating. I think I turned on god mode by accident, to oh hey... I actually have to use my whole hand to beat these guys. (Meanwhile you continue to eat pizza and drink with free hand)

    The only thing I didn't care for was the forced mouse look. It works in tera. But with nwo it's basically the same feel if not more archaic then ddo. It's an old style dungeon crawler like diablo. And the sort of gears of war 3rd person mouse look swing thing just didn't do er for me completely. Plus the grouping and guilding was more screwed up then this game. And I didn't even think that could be possible.

    So same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Jesus build my hotrod!

    Bah, how old are we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamkatt View Post
    NWO, now thats a Ministry song.

    New World Order!

    Personally I like a variety of Ministry songs from different era's I love over the shoulder but most don't like the old 'house club feel' of it.

    But I would say they achieved perfection with Psalm 69 and 'Just one Fix'

    I do love the video tags =o]

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    I admit that I didn't play much past the first area, but that's only because the game failed to interest me. After playing DDO style combat for so long, going to a more automatic style doesn't feel as satisfying. Just the fact that I couldn't block at all as a beater (great weapon dps whatever they call it) felt stupid. The lack of build options was also disappointing.

    I really did like the wealth of character creation appearance options. I chose a dwarf, and the beard options looked fantastic. My single biggest complaint with DDO, despite having some amazing features, is that the character appearance options are lacking. For such a core race, I would have figured dwarves to have a vast selection of luxurious facial hair. It's not terrible, but missing some really classic dwarfy beardiness. Also, it's hard to not make your human female look like an ice queen. Some softer feature options would be nice. I won't even get into the mannequins....I mean half elves.

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    The crucial difference for me between NWO and DDO is the un-alienable fact that after the last patch I can't re-launch ddo.
    Period.
    Tried Everything and no joy.
    They have stuffed it up for me pretty much irrevocably
    Over 3 years worth of toons and work can't be accessed, so I have a horrible feeling its NWO here I come.
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    How easy IS Neverwinter?

    About as easy as DDO would be if the ability to make broken builds was removed: pretty easy.
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    I gave up to play NWO at lvl 8 - it is totally uninteresting MMO. Slow, lagging, has unintuitive GUI. I did not understand their LFM system and most of quests i did solo. In compare to DDO, where i was able to join to the group at Korthos Island - wilderness area - thank to autogrouping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    It has the same issue as DDO where some people say it is too easy and some people say it is too hard.
    You are misunderstanding. Or i didn't explain my point the best i could. Or both.

    Game difficulty balance issues is not referring to a game to easy or too hard, those are just that, easy or hard games. A difficulty balance is when you (example) buy an adventure pack with 5 quests of same level:

    Quest 1 level 16: easy
    Quest 2 level 16: easy
    Quest 3 level 16: objectively impossible for non ubertwinked TRed toons
    Quest 4 level 16: easy
    Quest 5 level 16: easy

    This is an issue of difficulty balance.

    Edit: i'm curious to know if NWO has gamepad support if anyone knows...
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    Developers should fix this

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