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    This isnt really a rant but more of a sad day when you see a veteran player yell at people in tempest spine hey what you dont know it and laughing at the new players. this attitude displayed by this tr sickened me. Im a tr as well and players like this really give us a bad name. I don't care if you have been playing for 7 years or not. Why is it when one of these jerks join another person's group they assume its a zerg fest and everyone knows the map/quest. This is exactly what this tr was doing. this was the 2nd time i grouped with him where one was my run and the other was someone elses.

    What sickens me is just the behavior he displayed to his fellow players. Tempest spine frustrates a lot of people and there are a ton of players who actually have never ran it before. Hell some might even be returning. Seriously what is wrong with people when it doesnt say zerg and people were getting lost. sure 5 died right away in the start because either a they didnt know where to go or remember.

    This is where the veteran showed his true colors just berating anyone who didnt know the quest. Yes new players who never ran it before. you must know it as well as everything else to be perfect to this guy. im sorry it really made me mad. so the party leader wanted everyone to recall and regroup. this is what makes it worse. the leader i think with shame left the party. So i get the star and boot the veteran jerk out of the party. while i might be a tr had a 30% pot running. I actually led the remaining players through while gaining 2 more to replace them. Sure there were deaths from the newer players but i wasnt going to yell at them.

    So my point is guys/ladies if you get to the point where you join other groups and you hate new players so much STOP joining OTHERS. group with people that know quests and stop ruining the game experience for others. keep to the channels or "elite" groups. Doing this behavior does NOT help a new player learn the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkonas View Post
    This isnt really a rant but more of a sad day when you see a veteran player yell at people in tempest spine hey what you dont know it and laughing at the new players. this attitude displayed by this tr sickened me. Im a tr as well and players like this really give us a bad name. I don't care if you have been playing for 7 years or not. Why is it when one of these jerks join another person's group they assume its a zerg fest and everyone knows the map/quest. This is exactly what this tr was doing. this was the 2nd time i grouped with him where one was my run and the other was someone elses.

    What sickens me is just the behavior he displayed to his fellow players. Tempest spine frustrates a lot of people and there are a ton of players who actually have never ran it before. Hell some might even be returning. Seriously what is wrong with people when it doesnt say zerg and people were getting lost. sure 5 died right away in the start because either a they didnt know where to go or remember.

    This is where the veteran showed his true colors just berating anyone who didnt know the quest. Yes new players who never ran it before. you must know it as well as everything else to be perfect to this guy. im sorry it really made me mad. so the party leader wanted everyone to recall and regroup. this is what makes it worse. the leader i think with shame left the party. So i get the star and boot the veteran jerk out of the party. while i might be a tr had a 30% pot running. I actually led the remaining players through while gaining 2 more to replace them. Sure there were deaths from the newer players but i wasnt going to yell at them.

    So my point is guys/ladies if you get to the point where you join other groups and you hate new players so much STOP joining OTHERS. group with people that know quests and stop ruining the game experience for others. keep to the channels or "elite" groups. Doing this behavior does NOT help a new player learn the game.

    Nor does it help with any apparent LFM situation.

    Seriously, who would want to join one after going through that or seeing that?

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    Happened to me too. Last time I put up an LFM for TS (1 1/2 year ago or so) I had it posted for HH at level and clearly said not a zerg run in the LFM.

    Went to enter the quest and some plick went in on HE then proceeded to zerg ahead.

    I got so disgusted by the vet taking over what was my LFM when I had several players new to the raid I just recalled and dropped group, sent tells to those that were there to learn the raid saying "recall and drop".

    I had 7 players in a new group in about 2 minutes. Filled out from our friends list and went in and had some good laughs, especially when I heard that the one that entered on HE and zerged ahead died in the caves before most of the others got to the entrance and then was biching and whining because nobody could find him to get his stone.

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    Ive been saying this since 2008. Its often times the same people who post its not their job to teach who pee and moan about the quality of the PUG scene the most. All that guy did was step into a situation he helped create, by being part of the issue instead of helping out over the years.

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    I used to think the snide, superior attitudes shown on the forums were only a tiny example of the player base. Sadly it is becoming more and more the norm. I can't speak to the grouping situation as I've never been in one, but advice channel and inter guild wise. Some of the nasty behaviour boggles the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enochiancub View Post
    I used to think the snide, superior attitudes shown on the forums were only a tiny example of the player base. Sadly it is becoming more and more the norm. I can't speak to the grouping situation as I've never been in one, but advice channel and inter guild wise. Some of the nasty behaviour boggles the mind.

    Could you imagine how bad it would be if we had the Gearscore add on? Thank god we don't at least, one less thing for these same WoW rejects that do this stuff to troll with.

    Nay you can't join mah groop, you don't has uberest gear. Or getting a tell from one "I need to know your gearscore before I join your group".
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    Eh, there are jerks everywhere in life. On the whole I find the pugs I'm in are generally fine in terms of respecting the star and in attitudes to each other. But every now and then you run into a situation like that when those with noobish tendencies throw their weight about. In those cases i tend to tell the one being attacked or mocked to help them along and let them know there's someone else in the group they can go to for help if they're newbs (as opposed to noobs).

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    I've got to feel sorry for these people. What a joyless and confusing life they must lead. Be thankful you can enjoy yourself and thrive in diversity and chaos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Nor does it help with any apparent LFM situation.

    Seriously, who would want to join one after going through that or seeing that?
    exactly. This is why i got so sickened by this tr. i use to respect him at one point but after yesterday i had enough of him. how do people think this is ok? i can understand if its your lfm but if its not stop with being so rude to others. i know so many players that don't know tempest spine or are new to it. oh well. i doubt he will learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Ive been saying this since 2008. Its often times the same people who post its not their job to teach who pee and moan about the quality of the PUG scene the most. All that guy did was step into a situation he helped create, by being part of the issue instead of helping out over the years.
    Yeah i might have been playing from oct 09 and sure i have my bad days but i will never yell at someone for not knowing something. They can't learn anything if no one teaches them. so yeah i took my time with them and i didnt care if my 30% pot was ticking or not. We completed just fine. sure the deaths were from some new players and less geared but im sure they might learn something.

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    Could you imagine how bad it would be if we had the Gearscore add on? Thank god we don't at least, one less thing for these same WoW rejects that do this stuff to troll with.

    Nay you can't join mah groop, you don't has uberest gear. Or getting a tell from one "I need to know your gearscore before I join your group".
    ugh i hope that never happens to this game. i will never use it to determine someone's value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkonas View Post
    exactly. This is why i got so sickened by this tr. i use to respect him at one point but after yesterday i had enough of him. how do people think this is ok? i can understand if its your lfm but if its not stop with being so rude to others. i know so many players that don't know tempest spine or are new to it. oh well. i doubt he will learn.

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    I HATE that type of attitude in the DDO community. I have only been playing for a little over a year now, but I have met people on both sides of the equation. On the one hand there are people out there that are willing to help new players which is awesome. However, there are players that are so cruel to others in this game that I hope newer players never meet them. One time I joined an EE Tor group on my rogue and got stuck in a loading screen listening to the leader yell at me, not talk, but yell over the mic at how dare I join his group with that low of hitpoints on my rogue and how I had practically ruined his day. When I finally got out of the loading screen I had been dropped but I stood there in Gianthold wondering what made people believe they are so important that they can scream at others over a mic and make the other person feel awful over a GAME.

    So yes, I do think community is better with people like the OP who try to help others. I was once a new player and I loved it when more experienced players would give me advice, gear, or just lead me through a quest and not go crazy if I died. (OMG! That was 10% you nooob. I hatez u!) And I do not believe this comes into "well that is my play style and if you don't like it don't join my groups." No! Play style is zerg or flowersniffer or all elite. If you only accept people with 1000+ hitpoints, a certain AC, a certain reflex, etc, that is fine. I don't care if you only accept barbarian halflings, wielding +1 daggers of giant bane, who have pink mohawks. This is about respect. There is no need to berate others if they are new to the game.
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    Its diabolical how some people act on mmo games but at least you get some nice ones too, this guy will serve as an example of how not to be anyway to the people who saw/heard it

    They arent all TR's that are like it, some are first lifers with alot of ego, but anyway if you was aware newbies were in the group why dident you step up right off the bat and ask if anybody dident know their way around while buffing at the start?
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    Well the TR was an complete and utter ass for what he said, but TS is a zerg run by default since a HUGE portion of the population can run it in their sleep . It's not enough not to say "zerg", you have to put "no zerg" if you expect people won't zerg that quest.

    As for the people getting lost, this once TR didn't create that problem, there was apparently nothing and no one holding the party together, where was the group leader? Or right, he bailed. The biggest fail was on the group leader. If he had been leading the fact you had a zerger ahead wouldn't have hurt anyone really. The worst that could have happened is he did all the work and you all got free chests for following behind him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enochiancub View Post
    I used to think the snide, superior attitudes shown on the forums were only a tiny example of the player base. Sadly it is becoming more and more the norm. I can't speak to the grouping situation as I've never been in one, but advice channel and inter guild wise. Some of the nasty behaviour boggles the mind.
    Unfortunately true, it's not because there are a growing number of those folks. It's because people that don't want to deal with this garbage either leave the game , solo or stick with a small static group of casual players. This means we will encounter abusive personalities more frequently when joining a raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkonas View Post
    This isnt really a rant but more of a sad day when you see a veteran player yell at people in tempest spine hey what you dont know it and laughing at the new players. this attitude displayed by this tr sickened me. Im a tr as well and players like this really give us a bad name. I don't care if you have been playing for 7 years or not. Why is it when one of these jerks join another person's group they assume its a zerg fest and everyone knows the map/quest. This is exactly what this tr was doing. this was the 2nd time i grouped with him where one was my run and the other was someone elses.

    What sickens me is just the behavior he displayed to his fellow players. Tempest spine frustrates a lot of people and there are a ton of players who actually have never ran it before. Hell some might even be returning. Seriously what is wrong with people when it doesnt say zerg and people were getting lost. sure 5 died right away in the start because either a they didnt know where to go or remember.

    This is where the veteran showed his true colors just berating anyone who didnt know the quest. Yes new players who never ran it before. you must know it as well as everything else to be perfect to this guy. im sorry it really made me mad. so the party leader wanted everyone to recall and regroup. this is what makes it worse. the leader i think with shame left the party. So i get the star and boot the veteran jerk out of the party. while i might be a tr had a 30% pot running. I actually led the remaining players through while gaining 2 more to replace them. Sure there were deaths from the newer players but i wasnt going to yell at them.

    So my point is guys/ladies if you get to the point where you join other groups and you hate new players so much STOP joining OTHERS. group with people that know quests and stop ruining the game experience for others. keep to the channels or "elite" groups. Doing this behavior does NOT help a new player learn the game.
    Not to defend the tr too much but the new players in that raid sound pretty bad too. Sorry but when I was new I stuck like glue to the person in the lead. Following the person in the lead is something you learn in what pre-school when they teach you to go to the class room and back in lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkonas View Post
    This isnt really a rant but more of a sad day when you see a veteran player yell at people in tempest spine hey what you dont know it and laughing at the new players. this attitude displayed by this tr sickened me. Im a tr as well and players like this really give us a bad name. I don't care if you have been playing for 7 years or not. Why is it when one of these jerks join another person's group they assume its a zerg fest and everyone knows the map/quest. This is exactly what this tr was doing. this was the 2nd time i grouped with him where one was my run and the other was someone elses.

    What sickens me is just the behavior he displayed to his fellow players. Tempest spine frustrates a lot of people and there are a ton of players who actually have never ran it before. Hell some might even be returning. Seriously what is wrong with people when it doesnt say zerg and people were getting lost. sure 5 died right away in the start because either a they didnt know where to go or remember.

    This is where the veteran showed his true colors just berating anyone who didnt know the quest. Yes new players who never ran it before. you must know it as well as everything else to be perfect to this guy. im sorry it really made me mad. so the party leader wanted everyone to recall and regroup. this is what makes it worse. the leader i think with shame left the party. So i get the star and boot the veteran jerk out of the party. while i might be a tr had a 30% pot running. I actually led the remaining players through while gaining 2 more to replace them. Sure there were deaths from the newer players but i wasnt going to yell at them.

    So my point is guys/ladies if you get to the point where you join other groups and you hate new players so much STOP joining OTHERS. group with people that know quests and stop ruining the game experience for others. keep to the channels or "elite" groups. Doing this behavior does NOT help a new player learn the game.
    What may be helpful in the future is specifying your run. Perhaps even putting something akin to 'Teaching Run' in the LFM. Those looking to zerg the quest for enjoyment will be far less likely to join.

    At least, this is what I do for situations like that. But usually it's VON 5/6 after farming it's xp's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Not to defend the tr too much but the new players in that raid sound pretty bad too. Sorry but when I was new I stuck like glue to the person in the lead. Following the person in the lead is something you learn in what pre-school when they teach you to go to the class room and back in lines.
    I think it greatly depends on leadership in the raid as well. I can perfectly well remember the first time I ran TS. I had to ask for advice several times. Since I had been the Fav, I carried most of the rezes, but even the tanks were not too well versed with the raid, so our leader near to carried all of us through it... At the end we ran out of SP and had to re-enter... Well, we finally did it but it was, well, ahem... Today, I am shortmanning the raid on normal or hard easily and can lead groups throgh TS while blindfolded. But that´s the way it is.

    About the OP, the TR simply is a dumb a**h*** and nothing else.If anybody has to take the lead in a situation where the whole party is about to be swept or lost, it´s the TRs duty. Swearing on Party members never helps.

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    Curious OP, what did the LFM say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniKobold View Post
    Play style is zerg or flowersniffer or all elite. If you only accept people with 1000+ hitpoints, a certain AC, a certain reflex, etc, that is fine. I don't care if you only accept barbarian halflings, wielding +1 daggers of giant bane, who have pink mohawks. This is about respect.
    Sorry, I 100% agree here, but can't get the mental image of 11 pink mohawked barbarian halflings in a semi-circle staging a 12th man intervention saying "This is about respect!" while emphasizing each syllable with that tiny dagger.

    (I realize I left out the giant bane suffix, but really, they're halflings, I think the +2 and 2d6 would proc against a healthy sized rat)
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