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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    I may be slightly mistaken on the reasons because I wasn't around back then but weren't the eu servers closed because there weren't enough people? I really might be wrong but that was my understanding on it, and since it's early to late morning in the US still I would expect there to be much less people on. Every time I've ever been online during the day there have been less people during non-us primetime.
    I "think" some had to do with the DDO Store and laws/regulations with it being implemented overseas.

    Been so long ago, could very well be mistaken.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    When I hit a LFM, I always accompany it with a /t that an anon CLR is behind it.
    Oh I can't tell you how many times I have accepted 'anonymous' into the group and said "Hi anonymous!" into chat. The most usual response: Oh, lol, I forgot I was anonymous.

    I think some are just so used to going anon when they log in they seriously just forget they are anon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    Oh I can't tell you how many times I have accepted 'anonymous' into the group and said "Hi anonymous!" into chat. The most usual response: Oh, lol, I forgot I was anonymous.

    I think some are just so used to going anon when they log in they seriously just forget they are anon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    Only a few are anonymous. The rest I leave up in case I want to join a PUG and I don't want to be shown as anonymous. I hardly get any tells anymore and very few blind invites. In 2007 thru 2010, it was quite nasty on the amount of tells.

    I would be in a party and get a tell. I send back, "I am in a party, would you like it if I was in your party then left to join another party?" I get back some interesting responses to that.

    I will accept some blind invites but continue what I was doing then drop group after a couple minutes so they can hopefully find a healer.
    I only keep my CLR anon, rest are all public including, like yourself, my Druid and Bard.

    Never get blind /t or invites on them so comfortable leaving them all public.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    The defense channel on Sarlona was quite active this morning - many more people than usual for that time of day. I checked LFMs 3 times and I saw a total of 4 LFMs all with exactly 1 person. That's pretty much the norm on Sarlona in the mornings in recent months. There may be less people on but there are still grouping options. It's just the LFM is the absolute worse play to try and find a group at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    I may be slightly mistaken on the reasons because I wasn't around back then but weren't the eu servers closed because there weren't enough people? I really might be wrong but that was my understanding on it, and since it's early to late morning in the US still I would expect there to be much less people on. Every time I've ever been online during the day there have been less people during non-us primetime.
    Bit more complex than that, but to simplify it you would at point the incompetent marketing work done by Atari and a protracted legal battle with Turbine that ensured there was absolutely nothing done to promote things in the EU. All of our EU characters were transferred to Ghallanda where we're now happily ripping our way through stuff. Having endured the dearth of development in the final years of the EU servers, it gives you a slightly more tolerant perspective of the work that Turbine actually do.

    When you've been around for enough years, you see peaks and troughs in the population from time to time, I reckon we're going through a definite slump atm. If you're not on Ghallanda, feel free to come join us over here
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    The LFM system is dead and not coming back. Due to the crappy playerbase in this game, no one wants to group with people they don't know. There's nothing Turbine can do about this, short of making each quest need a full party to complete, and this isn't a good idea. You're going to have to adapt or leave the game.
    Must be you... I throw up LFMs all the time, get 5 people I don't know and we always do fine...

    OP is talking about all levels, not Epic Elite... You really can't complete quests in heroic levels because of the "crappy playerbase"?

    Must be you.
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    When you stop caring about xp/min this game becomes really fun. Trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    The defense channel on Sarlona was quite active this morning - many more people than usual for that time of day. I checked LFMs 3 times and I saw a total of 4 LFMs all with exactly 1 person. That's pretty much the norm on Sarlona in the mornings in recent months. There may be less people on but there are still grouping options. It's just the LFM is the absolute worse play to try and find a group at the moment.
    Are you looking at just your level range or all LFMs?

    Usually 30-40 LFMs on Thelanis all the time... but that's all level ranges not just the ones my character is eligible for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Must be you... I throw up LFMs all the time, get 5 people I don't know and we always do fine...

    OP is talking about all levels, not Epic Elite... You really can't complete quests in heroic levels because of the "crappy playerbase"?

    Must be you.
    Perhaps read more carefully to avoid this embarrassing situation that you find yourself in, since I said nothing of the sort. In fact I can easily complete all quests in heroic levels without grouping whatsoever. It is because of this fact that I do not pug. No reason to chance running into some crazy person. If people want a more active public grouping option, there has to be a way to weed these people out, whether it be heavy handed suspensions for player abuse. Or something like that. Short of that, Turbine can do nothing to make people chance running into these game-ruining people when they have no need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyriasys View Post
    Ya'll must be on the wrong server. On Thelanis we've got a full LFM. people dancing in the streets and everyone loves one another.
    LOL exactly this sentiment op..... pay a transfer to Thelanis.. Lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Are you looking at just your level range or all LFMs?

    Usually 30-40 LFMs on Thelanis all the time... but that's all level ranges not just the ones my character is eligible for.
    Just my level range. There is always a reasonable # of LFMS in the level 1-6 range with more than 1 person in the group. Beyond that it's sparse until epic levels and the most common # of people I see in an LFM is exactly 1.

    It's fine with me I just check to see if there is something in the right level range I want to run and join if it looks like it will fill reasonably quick. If not I just solo zerg.

    When I do start an LFM it's usually with at least 3 others so the party usually fills reasonably fast. I believe people are more inclined to join a party that is closer to starting - I am certainly more inclined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanesa View Post
    LFM is best in DDO. Try to find group in NWO for example. Mission Impossible
    this is kinda why i was thinking they should pull something from Rift with groups across servers. Then it could prevent server merges. you stay on your server. you just move to where the host is. do a cross server with say 3 of them. that would open up some players on other servers who would never meet each other.

    its just a thought.

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    DDO slows down every summer. I would not start with the DOOM threads just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    DDO slows down every summer. I would not start with the DOOM threads just yet.
    I don't view it as "doom" I view it more as the game is evolving and things change. The LFM system is becoming less relevant so it's even more important than ever that new players get into a big guild, channel or static group. It's going to be a slow road if you rely on the LFM system. I would anticipate that trend will continue and not reverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    That does nothing for superguilds and soloing. I'd imagine the vast majority of players don't know anything about user channels. They've joined an active superguild that has 100 people on at all times, or they've learned to solo content.
    Yes, that's called adapting. I have no problem getting a group nearly every time I log in and I play on dead as a doornail Wayfinder. All it takes is a simple "/g what's going on?" and maybe a quick character switch. Oh and it doesn't take 100 people on at all times, just a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    Perhaps read more carefully to avoid this embarrassing situation that you find yourself in, since I said nothing of the sort. In fact I can easily complete all quests in heroic levels without grouping whatsoever. It is because of this fact that I do not pug. No reason to chance running into some crazy person. If people want a more active public grouping option, there has to be a way to weed these people out, whether it be heavy handed suspensions for player abuse. Or something like that. Short of that, Turbine can do nothing to make people chance running into these game-ruining people when they have no need to.
    I PUG all the time and never run into "crazy" "game-ruining" people. Not sure what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    I would be in a party and get a tell. I send back, "I am in a party, would you like it if I was in your party then left to join another party?" I get back some interesting responses to that.
    My cleric has been my main toon for most of the time I've played this game. He has never been anonymous. I've been towards the end of completing an EE solo, and received a tell from someone asking me to healbot their Shroud run. When I explain what I am doing , and ask "Do you really expect me to recall and heal your Shroud?" the answer is "Yes" more often than not.

    The tells you get on a cleric/FvS in this game are hilarious. The people who run their "hjealers" anonymous really have no idea of what they are missing. Either that, or they completely lack a sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    I PUG all the time and never run into "crazy" "game-ruining" people. Not sure what you're talking about.

    I suspect you have a higher tolerance for players who don't play they way you do (or the way you want them to) than the people who constantly trash PUGs and the players in them. I don't think it is coincidental that some players always seem to have problems with PUGs and some players almost never have problems with PUGs.


    I have run into a handful of dillweeds over the last few years. They either drop group once they get frustrated (or embarassed), drop group once the quest is complete, or get dropped after the quest is complete. Problem solved.


    To be honest the number of players in PUGs or in the 'who' list hasn't seemed to fluctuate dramatically for over a year from what I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alont View Post
    Grouping isn't dead. Grouping with random people is dead. Adapt. What can Turbine do to make me want to join pugs again? How can they assure me that I won't end up grouped with some crazy person who screams and acts a fool over voice? What are the steps Turbine can take to change this?
    All I do is pug...I play every night (ok not every night but quite frequently)...one thing I can say is it depends on your time zone whether or not filling a group will be an issue. My "NEW" time zone blows! When I lived on the east coast (USA) filling a group took minutes, now that I live in the middle of the pacific "its a whole other story" That being the case I solo when I can BUT when a "PUG" group finally fills completing is not a problem! Out of all the pug groups I lead (or join) the success rate of completion is almost 100% there is the "occasional" failure but its quite rare! From what I examine most pug groups are filled with both good and bad players. The good players shine and carry the average players through but EVERYONE tries their best regardless of how GIMP their toon may be. As a cleric I quickly identify who is strong and who I need to "stand" next to for aura healing rather quickly. I like this and find pugging a breeze with very little aggravation! But then again I am a patient person

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    I will also remind folks that summer generally sees a decrease.

    What folks are seeing is most likely a dip stemming from a number of factors - other games out, summer is here, new expansion/enhancement/level cap sapping will to play ... individually, not a big deal. Together, you see what you see.
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