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    Default New Shadow Update Yet Another Rip Off for VIPs

    We long loyal VIP's are getting ripped again. Originally when FTP came, we were told that we'd continue to get new stuff free when it came out (new classes, new races, new content, etc.).

    Yet again, that promise has been broken and we are forced to shell out a ton of money for what we are supposedly already paying for. Really, what's the point of VIP? One is far better off paying for these new packs then being VIP. At least this pack doesn't come with tons of stuff that we already get (like the last pack which was an even GREATER rip off than this one for VIPs).

    I might be buying the new pack - but, I sure ain't happy about it. Each day I get more and more annoyed with Turbine. Keep it up and it won't be long before you lose yet another long loyal customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehediah View Post
    We long loyal VIP's are getting ripped again. Originally when FTP came, we were told that we'd continue to get new stuff free when it came out (new classes, new races, new content, etc.).

    Yet again, that promise has been broken and we are forced to shell out a ton of money for what we are supposedly already paying for. Really, what's the point of VIP? One is far better off paying for these new packs then being VIP. At least this pack doesn't come with tons of stuff that we already get (like the last pack which was an even GREATER rip off than this one for VIPs).

    I might be buying the new pack - but, I sure ain't happy about it. Each day I get more and more annoyed with Turbine. Keep it up and it won't be long before you lose yet another long loyal customer.
    I'm by no way a Turbine fanboi... but I think VIP does bring value for people that are actively leveling toons or that TR a lot. The 10% XP bonus is nice... and open on elite... monthly turbine points... etc.

    If you want to talk about rip-off... ask me about the Owlbear and the legendary upgrade pack... heh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    I'm by no way a Turbine fanboi... but I think VIP does bring value for people that are actively leveling toons or that TR a lot. The 10% XP bonus is nice... and open on elite... monthly turbine points... etc.

    If you want to talk about rip-off... ask me about the Owlbear and the legendary upgrade pack... heh
    Ah just wait until you get the owlbear whistle drop after paying for one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    I'm by no way a Turbine fanboi... but I think VIP does bring value for people that are actively leveling toons or that TR a lot. The 10% XP bonus is nice... and open on elite... monthly turbine points... etc.
    You can buy more points on sale cheaper than the VIP cost for the 500/month. XP can be useful under certain occasions, but you can also buy XP pots on sale. The only real benefit listed is the open on Elite - and even that is somewhat limited. All and all, it's a rip off these days - a shame - Turbine was doing so well until the past year plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehediah View Post
    Really, what's the point of VIP? One is far better off paying for these new packs then being VIP.
    Since you asked, the reason I am still VIP is I get all this for dirt cheap price of $10/month:

    500 free Turbine Points a month.
    Extra +10% XP. This bonus stacks with other sources of experience bonus.
    10 character slots per server (may purchase more)
    Access to the Druid and Monk Class.
    Access to the Warforged, Half-Elf and Half-Orc races.
    Access to all Adventure Packs (except expansion content)
    Enter quests directly on Hard/Elite without having to run prior difficulties
    Monster Manual
    Move +10% faster in public spaces! This movement speed boost stacks with all other movement boosts in public areas.
    Ability to create guilds for free.
    Shared Bank Vault for free (20 slots)
    Auctions: 50 items up for sale on platinum auction house, 20 items on Shard Exchange
    Idle Auto-logout: Increases to 60 minutes


    I didn't have a problem paying for the last expansion, it was well worth it as it felt like a brand new game in many respects. I don't know if I will feel the same about this expansion until I play it and see the new cities and explorer areas. But it's only $100, so what the heck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Since you asked, the reason I am still VIP is I get all this for dirt cheap price of $10/month:

    500 free Turbine Points a month.
    Extra +10% XP. This bonus stacks with other sources of experience bonus.
    10 character slots per server (may purchase more)
    Access to the Druid and Monk Class.
    Access to the Warforged, Half-Elf and Half-Orc races.
    Access to all Adventure Packs (except expansion content)
    Enter quests directly on Hard/Elite without having to run prior difficulties
    Monster Manual
    Move +10% faster in public spaces! This movement speed boost stacks with all other movement boosts in public areas.
    Ability to create guilds for free.
    Shared Bank Vault for free (20 slots)
    Auctions: 50 items up for sale on platinum auction house, 20 items on Shard Exchange
    Idle Auto-logout: Increases to 60 minutes


    I didn't have a problem paying for the last expansion, it was well worth it as it felt like a brand new game in many respects. I don't know if I will feel the same about this expansion until I play it and see the new cities and explorer areas. But it's only $100, so what the heck.

    Precisely my feelings as well. However, I will only be going with the Basic X-Pac - I have no need for the rest of the fluff, so for an extra $30 it is worth it for me.

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    1/3 of Update 18 is part of the pay expansion. We can't even get a small, mediocre update without paying an additional fee anymore.

    The pay auction house is bad enough. They need to reign it in.

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    I only pay $8 a month for VIP ($99 a year)...

    500 TPs is worth about $3.50, so I'm only paying $4.50 a MONTH for everything else... That's super-cheap for what you get (good list up above).
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    Personally, my problem with the update is that it's literally an update about the size of GH (11 quests...but no raid...but as it's supposed to raise the level cap by 3 levels (an estimated 3mil XP), it actually potentially CREATES more issues by not having enough content). Furthermore, it hasn't been made clear if the other Iconic Heroes will require purchase as a VIP, which is disheartening to me (they aren't finished to the point where I'd make one, as TRing isn't an option...but they may wind up being useful).

    All I've seen of the expansion leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but in all fairness, it IS a bit early to say it's a horrible rip-off...I'll wait until Open Beta when all the info is available to determine if it's a rip-off or not to myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Since you asked, the reason I am still VIP is I get all this for dirt cheap price of $10/month:
    And, over the course of a few years, you'd have been far better off buying each of those things individually through the store as most of those "features" are far cheaper to buy on sales individually than to be shelling out $120/year.
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    With this game, VIP has not meant "you get everything new for free" for a while now. I know it stings. I was shocked when I learned about it too and I wish it weren't the case, but the pain has passed. I'd suggest that it's time to make peace with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBot1234 View Post
    With this game, VIP has not meant "you get everything new for free" for a while now. I know it stings. I was shocked when I learned about it too and I wish it weren't the case, but the pain has passed. I'd suggest that it's time to make peace with it.
    Look, Turbine lied to us VIP's. And, I'd make peace with it if each new expansion brought far more "fixes" than "new breaks". But, right now, I'm tired of the Turbine BS and I'm going to complain... I went from loving the game to liking it - but, it's going downhill fast on that scale...
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    Default Let me put it another way...

    Let me put it another way.

    I'm a hair's breath from cancelling VIP and paying for all the stuff and saving tons of money.

    If Turbine wants to keep VIP'ers - then they need to make VIP a better bargain. Cause, frankly, it ain't. It'd cost a bunch at first to get everything the VIP gets - but, as soon as it's all bought, you are saving tons of money. Which translates to Turbine losing money overall.

    So, to re-iterate, if Turbine wants regular money from VIP'ers, then they need to give them a better value for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehediah View Post
    And, over the course of a few years, you'd have been far better off buying each of those things individually through the store as most of those "features" are far cheaper to buy on sales individually than to be shelling out $120/year.
    VIP is optional. Up to now you've payed to enjoyed the benefits of VIP. If you choose to change to Premium you will enjoy the benefits of Premium.

    If you're going to bemoan the fact that you've already paid VIP money and need to "start over" as Premium, well, that's just the way it is. Not really sure anyone can help you with that.

    Personally, I don't make it my goal to enjoy the game for as little money as possible. I'm not decrying those who do, that's totally their choice and their time to favour farm across the servers to earn the TP to buy the stuff they want. But it's not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Since you asked, the reason I am still VIP is I get all this for dirt cheap price of $10/month:

    500 free Turbine Points a month.
    Extra +10% XP. This bonus stacks with other sources of experience bonus.
    10 character slots per server (may purchase more)
    Access to the Druid and Monk Class.
    Access to the Warforged, Half-Elf and Half-Orc races.
    Access to all Adventure Packs (except expansion content)
    Enter quests directly on Hard/Elite without having to run prior difficulties
    Monster Manual
    Move +10% faster in public spaces! This movement speed boost stacks with all other movement boosts in public areas.
    Ability to create guilds for free.
    Shared Bank Vault for free (20 slots)
    Auctions: 50 items up for sale on platinum auction house, 20 items on Shard Exchange
    Idle Auto-logout: Increases to 60 minutes


    I didn't have a problem paying for the last expansion, it was well worth it as it felt like a brand new game in many respects. I don't know if I will feel the same about this expansion until I play it and see the new cities and explorer areas. But it's only $100, so what the heck.
    500 TP aint that much anymore. its a little bonus, which is nice, but it was worth more a couple years ago before the store prices steadily increased.

    you hardly notice that extra 10% xp. definitely not worth being VIP if you are looking for a little more xp. its like completing a side optional.
    10 character slots are nice if you like to create a lot of characters to play. for me, I still have the 4 toons I regularly play, 1 is a test toon and the other 5 are bank toons. its a nice perk though.

    access to the classes and races is nice, but what about how it was impossible to get the favor to unlock Artificer when it first came out? it made it so everyone, including VIP, to have to buy the class. what made Artificer so much more special than Monk?

    immediate access to all adventure packs is exactly why I went from F2P to VIP. I didn't want to favor farm or pay individually for everything I wanted. I wanted access to everything right now. VIPs having to pay for expansions were never included in the VIP contract. I see why expansions are separate from regular packs and having to pay for it, but pretty underhanded to say "hey guess what guys! we are releasing an expansion in about 6 months. there will be regular quests to run, like the packs you already have access to per your sub, but the storyline is separate from Eberron so it classifies as an expansion, even though we are creating a link between both worlds. thanks and see you in game!"

    its kinda nice perk to open elite, but on a first life, you can level easily just on normal, especially with all the xp bonus these days and you can unlock hard next life. also, with BB the norm now, its not hard to find an opener for elite.

    MM is a nice little bonus. I really don't care about it. I get a little bit more xp once in awhile and I don't even really notice it, much like VIP xp. I like free stuff, but I haven't claimed any of the pets that you can unlock. separate issue from VIP for me. its a meh perk to me.

    the extra run speed was, imo, a waste of dev time. its too easy to get around the world these days and theres things like the pendant of time, striders and haste pots/clickies or expeditious retreat if I really need to get to the quest that's practically outside of a teleporter or ship portal.

    creating guilds for free is nice. I don't know the cost difference between being a VIP and to pay to create a guild, but I hope whoever pays for VIP sub is doing it for more than this reason.

    shared bank is a good perk. need it and makes things much easier to pass between toons plus extra storage.

    ive never auctioned more than a dozen items on the AH before, but im sure there are some that do the whole 50. someone either likes to farm a lot or desperate for storage space. if I cant make a decent profit and I know it might have trouble selling, ill just vendor it.

    imo, people shouldn't be allowed to be idle for that long amount of time. cut to 30 minutes and maybe we would see a difference in lag or something.

    as I mentioned before, I went VIP because I wanted access to everything in the game now and not later. it was worth it to me and $10 a month is very much worth it. most of the perks is meh to me, but the draw was access to everything in the game. that has changed some over time with Artificer and expansions as 2 good examples. like I said, I understand why expansions are separate, but really they are nothing more than an adventure pack with a couple updates put together and given a separate story line. my issue for dropping VIP has nothing to do with VIPs getting the hose on expansions, but I still think they should be given a VIP discount on expansions. I bought the last one at the last minute, but I wont be buying this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yehediah View Post
    And, over the course of a few years, you'd have been far better off buying each of those things individually through the store as most of those "features" are far cheaper to buy on sales individually than to be shelling out $120/year.
    Nope. I still wouldn't be able to open on elite any time I want or get the extra 10% xps. That alone is worth $54/year for me.

    The other $66 bucks I spend on junk like pets, cosmetics, guest passes, bags, tomes, whatever. I'd spend that anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    I only pay $8 a month for VIP ($99 a year)...

    500 TPs is worth about $3.50, so I'm only paying $4.50 a MONTH for everything else... That's super-cheap for what you get (good list up above).
    I agree its a great value, a better value then they probably should have offered as a permanent rate.

    However, I also agree with the OP that this, and the last "expansion" directly break the commitment that was made in writing in 2009.

    Oh the other hand, while MOTU was a clear breach of contract, it has been more than a year since they updated the TOS to insert their loophole to charge VIPs for any content they feel like charging for. This means no current subscriber really has reason to be outraged or shocked anymore. Yes they are screwing VIP once again, but they gave us fair notice a year ago that once or twice a year they would continue to screw us and we willingly bent over for them...I mean continued to renew our memberships.

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    Default So far, I have spent $1,450 dollars

    For playing the game since 2007 on two accounts.

    I was VIP, but no more.

    The last expansion showed me that Turbine was going to start to make me pay for new updates. I'm from the old days, when we had to all open on normal to start. I don't mind doing that again.

    I bought two MotU, but only one SC. I thought MotU was worth the money, SC I am not convinced on yet. And with the 2,000 TP I now have over 8000 TP to use. I only buy adventure packs or storage, I don't buy cosmetics or consumables. I also love the free samples on Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Personally, I don't make it my goal to enjoy the game for as little money as possible. I'm not decrying those who do, that's totally their choice and their time to favour farm across the servers to earn the TP to buy the stuff they want. But it's not for me.
    Well, geez... I never did make it my point either - and what thanks did I get for it? Turbine lies and then breaks more than they fix on patches and then have the nerve to insist I pay more for what they told me was going to be "free" because I already paid for it.

    So, if this is the way it is - I'm either quitting the game altogether or complaining loudly. As of right now, I'm complaining loudly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    I still wouldn't be able to open on elite any time I want
    Often that's a pretty minor perk and more of a meager "convenience" than a real bonus. A 2nd TR CAN open Elite. If you are in a group and no one else can open E, you can usually switch to an alt that can open and then back. Again, minor and hardly worth $100+/yr.
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