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    There are a few posts a day showing when person clicks on the dev tracker.

    Guess the dev's here are tired of making promises they can't keep and just decided that completely ignoring the player base is what works best.

    Lotro dev tracker


    SWtOR dev tracker


    Diablo Blue Tracker

    Below are some other MMO forums. Although I have done my best to make sure these forums had 3 posts minimum from game staff/moderators (mods may not be paid, but I presume they speak for the game as per whatever the game requires for them to be mod, whatever that takes as some have community moderation) I may not be 100% correct on them. I am too lazy to link each post.


    MMO Forums I am too lazy to link at least three individual posts from game staff and will require anyone but me to link them all individually

    Age of Conan


    WoW forums

    Starcraft forums



    Even Hello Kitty gets interaction, far from daily though.


    And just because I had to shake my head and put on my tinfoil hat Hi Tolero, I think you got lost over here, Doesn't look like DDO to me. EDIT: Talk about stretched thin, so Cordovan, Tolero, and Carpe all have to take care of moderating 2 games? No wonder they can't respond to DDO as ofen as we would like.


    What happened to a couple years ago when the developers/QA/CS said they would increase the interaction with the players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post

    Guess the dev's here are tired of making promises they can't keep and just decided that completely ignoring the player base is what works best.



    What happened to a couple years ago when the developers/QA/CS said they would increase the interaction with the players?

    Yea, cause those are the ONLY two possibilities.

    And you answered your final question with the very second sentence of your post - why would they want to interact with anyone that has come to such conclusions? Have you read these forums at all? I sure would not want to take time out of my day to interact with people calling for my death, that my time is better served working at McDonalds, or that a word is misspelled, a font is wrong, or any other numerous examples of overreacting nerd rage.

    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Yea, cause those are the ONLY two possibilities.

    And you answered your final question with the very second sentence of your post - why would they want to interact with anyone that has come to such conclusions? Have you read these forums at all? I sure would not want to take time out of my day to interact with people calling for my death, that my time is better served working at McDonalds, or that a word is misspelled, a font is wrong, or any other numerous examples of overreacting nerd rage.

    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.
    The spread of this patently false information is EXTREMELY irritating to me.

    Flies are actually drawn much more to vinegar than honey.

    Edit: On the OP's point, I agree that low activity by devs is disheartening, especially with the extremely low amount of information about the expansion or enhancement pass when they're supposedly only a couple months away (and that's not counting things like u18 release notes never making it to lam, or u18.1 never making it to lam at all). Currently, 2 months away, we know as much about the level cap raise as we did months ago when the expansion was released - nothing, other than it's a raise to level 28 (and nothing of the concerns of having to get 3mil more XP to be able to farm EDs, or what'll happen with EDs).

    Add onto this the distressing number of bugs that go completely un-addressed (poison traps in u18, for example)...and you can see the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I sure would not want to take time out of my day to interact with people calling for my death, that my time is better served working at McDonalds
    This is confusing. Are you referring to posts made about Turbine employees, or yourself, in the quoted text?

    Links to the posts would help clarify the point you are attempting to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Yea, cause those are the ONLY two possibilities.

    And you answered your final question with the very second sentence of your post - why would they want to interact with anyone that has come to such conclusions? Have you read these forums at all? I sure would not want to take time out of my day to interact with people calling for my death, that my time is better served working at McDonalds, or that a word is misspelled, a font is wrong, or any other numerous examples of overreacting nerd rage.

    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.

    Ho wow. You don't get out much do you? You think this MMO is the only one with passionate players that speak their mind?

    You really need to get out more, maybe use some google fu when a random curiosity occurs. You are right, in my mind, the supposition I spoke of in my second sentence is answer enough for me, since it is exactly what seems to happen: Dev/EP posts that <insert whatever> is what they are working on, and it either gets scrapped or changed.

    The compendium is a case in point, as is Cannith Crafting And as is quality of life bug fixes.

    So, rather than try to continue dialog and put a little time into explaining (otherwise known as interacting with the very players that are supporting them, outrage AND appreciation) they go into stealth mode and completely stop talking to us. Frankly, a little information as to why on some things goes a long way.

    And BTW, you get more flies with dookie than you do with either honey or vinegar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Yea, cause those are the ONLY two possibilities.

    And you answered your final question with the very second sentence of your post - why would they want to interact with anyone that has come to such conclusions? Have you read these forums at all? I sure would not want to take time out of my day to interact with people calling for my death, that my time is better served working at McDonalds, or that a word is misspelled, a font is wrong, or any other numerous examples of overreacting nerd rage.

    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.
    Rofl

    Nobody faults the community reps for not replying to the nerd raging "my 2yo nephew could program this better" stuff.

    However, when we voice concerns about security or ask for clarification on an issue, and these seem to go unanswered/ignored; this is what leads to hard feelings and frustration over a lack of communication.

    Personally, using security concerns over the forum/game account merger as an example, even something as simple as "we're contractually obligated to use (X) software" would've been preferable to the silence. When we see people making decisions counter to their own security recommendations (previously, Turbine had stated that having same game/forum log in info was a bad idea) by "upgrading" to software that combines the accounts and can't have a "remember me" feature for security reasons or maintain a "logged in" session for more than a few minutes; pretty much any official response or *gasp* discussion of our concerns would've been preferable to the sound of chirping crickets...

    I will say that we currently seem to be on the upswing of a communications lull. I've seen more official responses in ~the last week or so than in quite a while previous. Hoping this is a trend that'll continue to improve rather than subside again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.
    You catch bees with honey, not vinegar.

    I don't think the profanity filters will let me say what attracts flies.

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    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Our Dev Tracker is just as full as LotRO's, and SWtOR's, at least 3 times as busy as AoC's, and WoW and Starcraft don't even HAVE an actual Dev Tracker...

    Granted, our Forums are a little dry lately, but we have excellent Dev interaction. That being said, I'd love to see more of MajMal, I'd love to see more "Let's Talk", and I do wish we had a development roadmap publicized.

    Anyhow, as I said, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, since the evidence you list doesn't support your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOgre View Post
    I don't understand what you're trying to say. Our Dev Tracker is just as full as LotRO's, and SWtOR's, at least 3 times as busy as AoC's, and WoW and Starcraft don't even HAVE an actual Dev Tracker...

    Granted, our Forums are a little dry lately, but we have excellent Dev interaction. That being said, I'd love to see more of MajMal, I'd love to see more "Let's Talk", and I do wish we had a development roadmap publicized.

    Anyhow, as I said, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, since the evidence you list doesn't support your claim.

    If you mean that other than the fact when you click the dev tracker you see 1 single person on the first page that is actually a dev that made 2 posts on the entire first page, then I see your point.

    We have way more developer interaction. Especially when 10 of the 25 posts on the same first page of our dev tracker rightly belongs in the service tracker that was oversighted when the forums were changed.

    By the way, these are the posts from a single Starcraft dev, just a single dev.

    A single WoW developer posts

    And then of course there is the Age of Conan actual dev tracker.........


    Now if we aren't counting all of this, then your statement would be a truthful one not clouded by ones delusions that DDO has much more active DEV interaction.

    Another MMO dev tracker.

    Rift dev tracker


    APB dev tracker (whatever game APB is)


    GW2 Dev tracker


    I guess when looking at all the data combined, it is safe to assume you are wrong and we DON'T have excellent dev interaction. We have excellent moderation team interaction. In fact, we have the best of all those games combined. o.0
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    Before the release of the MOTU the devs would even post on the weekends. There was lots of information being shared. Now we don't even know what we are buying, the game is a mess right now and total silence. Very disheartening. I don't know whats going on at Turbine but they really need to get with the program.
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    Default WB seems to have set the new priorities, and DDO is not one of them.

    WB holds the LOTR-Licences, so it makes sense to bring the LOTRO game under direct controll. Who owns the D&D licences?

    All I can see here is the owner of Turbine setting straight the priorities. As long as DDO brings in money with minimum effort on new developments (naming some little quest update "Expansion" and gaugung money for this) DDO may survive as nieche cash cow. As soon as necessary developments (de-bugging, new content) need more than 50% of earned money the game will likely get killed - from one day to the other. Just remember fondly of historic examples. This holds true for the effort put into communication as well - therefore no DEVs answering in a long time, etc.

    I would love to see DDO continuing forever, but given the current state of things this will not likely happen. I would be happy ifDDO survives the next expansion and continues over X-mas into 2014.

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    IMO It's the lack of community interaction that has turned the playerbase on them. We are mushrooms.

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    In other MMO's, like the one I'm currently playing, we get a server outage of 40 minutes and find not only a bunch of "we're sorry" posts but also what in DDO would be 200 TP credited into our accounts as compensation. Allow me to quote:
    If you happen to be playing on May 30th, 2013 around 3:00AM PDT ( -8 UDT), you were probably disconnected from our game and possibly our website.

    We had experienced a slight glitch but we were able to resolve it within 40 minutes. So what does this mean for you?

    For any players who were logged in from May 27th,2013 to May 30th, 2013 will be receiving 200 (game currency) for free! How awesome is that!

    It's our way to apologizing and thanking you, the players for being so exceptional! Have a great weekend (game world related name used to address the players)!
    That got me a nifty mount (open world, you need it, believe me) to run about while I quest.

    In other MMO's, like the one I'm currently playing, the devs and gm's make videos and interactive interviews about what is coming and gather feedback on forums and said interviews. In DDO, we get shoved things down our throats and are told to go eat some d****.

    WB only cares about LotR, get that in your heads, guys. We're never going to see a fix to the bugs that came with U18 because of the Enhancement Pass that is coming and this, whether you like it or not, is code that leaked from said pass. Stop blinding yourselves.

    DDO is running on bare bones and when it becomes too much of a hassle to keep, WB will axe it.

    A shame as for me, DDO was the best MMO I've ever played and nothing will ever replace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Have people forgot, or not taught, you get more flies with honey over vinegar.
    Quote Originally Posted by WruntJunior View Post
    Flies are actually drawn much more to vinegar than honey.
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    The devs aren't talking because they have nothing to say.

    There's no development road-map posted because they don't have one.

    They are just wining it until i'ts ready to shut everything down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    What does this have to do with developer interaction and communication?

    Absolutely nothing, and once I stop scratching my head wondering why you would pop into the thread to troll it with sales nonsense not even related to the OP I may understand why you posted this post.

    Who cares about pets in a thread about developer communication?
    because ever since Turbine brought in a Zynga-monkey as their marketing guy all we've been getting from them is P2Win stupidity and no communication about the actual future of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    because ever since Turbine brought in a Zynga-monkey as their marketing guy all we've been getting from them is P2Win stupidity and no communication about the actual future of the game.
    But but, all the "massive amounts of money" goes to fixing the bugs....at least thats what Ive been told for the past 18 months or so in these ever so grand p2w topic discussions.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    no communication about the actual future of the game.
    Incorrect. The dead silence on a daily basis is quite clear communication about the future of the game.

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    I disagree. My impression is that whenever we have a developer start contributing to the forums the a$$hat brigade comes out and drives them away. It isn't their job to contribute to the forums, so why bother? Why come read the whining about relatively unimportant things and minutia in what is otherwise some pretty awesome stuff? It is like they built a house from the ground up and all they hear about is that driveway slants. Over and over and over again.

    Hell, I didn't built this stuff, so I have no personal investment in it, and reading the forums still makes me want to punch my monitor.

    Passion is great, but no one is going to listen for long if you can't be civil. I full believe the *WE* are the reason dev interaction is so limited.

    We have two people who are paid to deal with us and they do a fine job. If we want more interaction that is on us.
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