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    I for one wont buy it considering last expansion was very good and worth the money for content but this one is not. Add to the fact that many who bought teh expansion got upset when turbine went and had it on sale a month or two later, and the unique content it offered became available to the rest. Stone of XP, yeah those were supposed to be a nice gift and added bonus, then what happened. Oh you could buy them on the store, now its in Otto's box.
    Gimmicks are all it is.
    No more money from me turbine until you polish stuff off, and come on your released an update 18 that bugged all caster and divine types SP. Really? how on earth could you even let something like that through, I KNOW there is no way you could have missed that Big of a Bug.

    Yeah I will wait till things are fixed and the price is 1/3 on sale like MOTU was.

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    I bought the pre-release package even though I have some lingering doubts about whether I want to play the game long-term. If you purchase the package plus the 11000 point package it comes out to be very close to what the points would cost when not on sale.

    Anyhow, I really liked MOTU and epic destinies so I am betting that Turbine will get it right .

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    It says right there in the description a HOST of new dungeons. Can be more clear than that
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShen View Post
    Mybe you should look at there video then you will get an idea of what u might get.


    Ok, watched the whole thing, and it answered nothing.

    It doesn't say how many new quests or new raids (if any) or explorer zones we will get.

    All of that could have been in the one explorer zone we were told about. "2 packs" tells us nothing except its at least 1 explorer zone and one quest (since each could be a "pack" in theory).

    I can't believe that Turbine won't release at least the very basic information to answer the number of quests/raids/zones.

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    Christ, you people are getting so annoying it's a wonder they didn't eliminate the forums altogether... All you can see is threads about "they nerf this" and "this sucks" and "game dying".
    You're turning the forums into a latrine, it's not surprising people stopped posting - I mean, if the forum change wasn't enough to scare people away, now it's only almost exclusively populated by haters and trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartelric View Post
    Christ, you people are getting so annoying it's a wonder they didn't eliminate the forums altogether... All you can see is threads about "they nerf this" and "this sucks" and "game dying".
    You're turning the forums into a latrine, it's not surprising people stopped posting - I mean, if the forum change wasn't enough to scare people away, now it's only almost exclusively populated by haters and trolls.
    You do know that if the Dev's actually communicated with their playerbase there would be much less of such threads right?

    Imagine a world where there were Threads created by Dev's saying we're leaning towards doing x, it will mean a nerf to a,b,c,f type builds, and we understand that it's not going to please everyone, but here's our reasoning for the change *insert several paragraphs of explanation* EDIT Also imagine a world where the Dev's would be swayed by a reasonable argument against a change and actually change their minds.

    Imagine a world where every single ability, Enhancement, Feat, Item, effect was stated up front to be intended to do x, y or z. Players could tell instantly whether it was WAI or bugged and there'd be a ton less posts asking if it was bugged.

    Turbine have got themselves in a vicious cycle at present. They don't post because they get eaten alive, but they get eaten alive because they don't post and when they do post it's not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartelric View Post
    Christ, you people are getting so annoying it's a wonder they didn't eliminate the forums altogether... All you can see is threads about "they nerf this" and "this sucks" and "game dying".
    You're turning the forums into a latrine, it's not surprising people stopped posting - I mean, if the forum change wasn't enough to scare people away, now it's only almost exclusively populated by haters and trolls.
    How true.

    Guess they did not or cannot read that Beta is very close and most questions will be answered.

    Haters are never happy and will seek out the very smallest detail to hate on.

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    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel_666 View Post
    You do know that if the Dev's actually communicated with their playerbase there would be much less of such threads right?

    Imagine a world where there were Threads created by Dev's saying we're leaning towards doing x, it will mean a nerf to a,b,c,f type builds, and we understand that it's not going to please everyone, but here's our reasoning for the change *insert several paragraphs of explanation* EDIT Also imagine a world where the Dev's would be swayed by a reasonable argument against a change and actually change their minds.

    Imagine a world where every single ability, Enhancement, Feat, Item, effect was stated up front to be intended to do x, y or z. Players could tell instantly whether it was WAI or bugged and there'd be a ton less posts asking if it was bugged.

    Turbine have got themselves in a vicious cycle at present. They don't post because they get eaten alive, but they get eaten alive because they don't post and when they do post it's not enough.
    You do realize that the X-pac was only announced like 24h ago?

    To expect them to list all Quests and levels, all new feats(if any), any new spells(if any), what patron, what new MOBs, where all the new named loot is dropping and what it is, what will be new to the store, and every other demand is totally asinine with three more months to go.

    Even if the posted details right off the bat, that very information would be picked apart and the meaning of the word 'is' will be debated. Nothing good would come of it as history has shown time and again.

    Beta is close. More info will come as time goes by. Productive debate with the DEVs will begin with those in Beta. Then the conspiracy nut job hater trolls have have fun with themselves while the rest will be involved in beta.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartelric View Post
    You're turning the forums into a latrine, it's not surprising people stopped posting.
    At the risk of pulling this thread off topic, I want to address that.

    People didn't stop posting because the forums became so negative, I think the forums became negative because the level of energy needed to post went way up.

    Consider, if I want to post something previous to the forum revamp, I only had to hit the Reply button, type my message, and hit Post. A certain amount of energy (i.e. interest in the topic + something interesting/relevant to say) was required for that.

    Now, I have to log in, return to the message I wanted to post to, hit the Reply button, type my message, and hit Post. Much more energy is required. And because of that, I'm much less likely to post in any given topic (point in fact, I'm only posting this message because I already happened to be logged in, otherwise I would not have bothered).

    People get worked up about some aspect of this game, and when they are worked up, they will have that energy required to post about it. That will come across as hating and trolling to most people. Whereas people who just posted something funny, or helpful, or just to answer someones question are not necessarily going to have that level of energy needed to go through all those steps to actually post. They'll just skip it. I know, I've done it many times since the forum revamp. And if I've done it, so have a lot of other people.

    It is my prediction that until and unless the "Remember Me" function returns, these forums will get much much more negative than they used to be. Questions will go unanswered. People will leave. I can't overstate how important it is for this community to lower the bar on how easy it is to post here. Yet the devs don't seem to consider it a very big deal (A "Remember Me" box was "Being looked into", which as far as I can tell, is devspeak for "**** that, not gonna happen").

    End of my rant. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    You do realize that the X-pac was only announced like 24h ago?

    To expect them to list all Quests and levels, all new feats(if any), any new spells(if any), what patron, what new MOBs, where all the new named loot is dropping and what it is, what will be new to the store, and every other demand is totally asinine with three more months to go.

    Even if the posted details right off the bat, that very information would be picked apart and the meaning of the word 'is' will be debated. Nothing good would come of it as history has shown time and again.

    Beta is close. More info will come as time goes by. Productive debate with the DEVs will begin with those in Beta. Then the conspiracy nut job hater trolls have have fun with themselves while the rest will be involved in beta.
    No it wasn't. Expansion has been announced a couple of months ago (first mention, that I'm absolutely sure of was the producer's open letter at new year). What you mean is: Expansion has only been added to the store like 24h ago. And here's the problem. They haven't decided on the content yet, but they sure did on the price.

    You can , of course, compare debating fairness of putting a price on a vaguely specified product against debating the meaning of 'is', to fuel some self-righteous inclinations, but if you don't see how the former can be a problem for people and how skewed that comparison is, then you're the one trolling.

    But you are right about beta being close. Cordovan said that they will have more details about the content soon. No SooN™; plain soon.
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    Office pool: Percentage wise - how many people who bought the last expansion are preordering this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartelric View Post
    Christ, you people are getting so annoying it's a wonder they didn't eliminate the forums altogether... All you can see is threads about "they nerf this" and "this sucks" and "game dying".
    You're turning the forums into a latrine, it's not surprising people stopped posting - I mean, if the forum change wasn't enough to scare people away, now it's only almost exclusively populated by haters and trolls.
    We're speaking the truth, if it's ruffling your fanboi feathers tough.

    The burden is on Turbine to demonstrate that this expansion is worth buying, based on Turbine's track record they've lost most of our trust. it is on them to earn it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Office pool: Percentage wise - how many people who bought the last expansion are preordering this one?
    Me and, I think, like 2 other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Office pool: Percentage wise - how many people who bought the last expansion are preordering this one?
    We had two guys in guild buy it and I'm in a pretty large level 100 guild. MoTU expansion was pre-ordered by almost everyone.

    The bundles just aren't that hot, I'll buy it with TP.

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    I am curious if the 'ball & chain' that is at :35 in the video is a new weapon available to all or just a special attack of the assassin iconic.

    I dislike the little amount of information made available about this expansion.

    That being said, I'm enough of a masochist to have paid the $90 for two owlbear hirelings and lesser epic xp tomes for all my characters (in perpetuity). The rest was pretty much "meh", although I DO hope the quests and wilderness area(s) will be nice. I expect lots more bugs and string table errors tho.

    I did find it annoying tho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Office pool: Percentage wise - how many people who bought the last expansion are preordering this one?
    I've pre-ordered MotU, but haven't pre-ordered this one yet. I'll sound clichee, but I'm waiting for more details to better appraise the offered packages.

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    I see some references to this legendary pre-order, but the actual site contains no evidence of its existance, so there it is.

    For the packs that I can see:

    2 New Forgotten Realms Adventure Packs - This is according to Cordovan, a 4995 TP purchase. Based on track records, it will be maybe 1 wilderness area and 6 or 7 quests. That's not worth it.
    Shadow of a Doubt Quest - Ooh, 8 quests...whoopty.
    Character Slots 3 - I already have all the slots I care about.
    Shadar-kai Assassin Iconic Hero - I will never use this.
    Sun-elf Morninglord Iconic Hero - I will never use this.
    Purple Dragon Knight Iconic Hero - I will never use this.
    Greater Tome of Epic Learning (1 per Server) - This is somewhat useful.
    One +2 Skill Tome per character - This is somewhat useful.
    Turbine Points 2000 - TP is always useful.
    Bladeforged Paladin Iconic Hero (with additional character slot) - I will never use this.
    Exclusive Shadar-kai Assassin cosmetic costume - Given Turbine's track record, this will be so ugly that the human language will not contain the words adequate to describe how bad it is.
    Exclusive Bladeforged Warrior Blue & Gold Cosmetic Costume - I never play warforged, this is useless.
    Exclusive Warrior Gold Cosmetic Costume - See Shadar-kai costume.
    Exclusive Calico Tressym Creature Companion - I do not care about creature companions at all. I find them stupid.
    Exclusive Tawny Owlbear Creature Companion - I do not care about creature companions at all. I find them stupid.
    Stormhorn Specs Cosmetic Goggles - I will never use this.
    Mountaineers Cosmetic Goggles - I will never use this.

    So...yeah, there's absolutely no way whatsoever that I'm paying anything for this. On top of the extremely terrible pre-order offers, there's still the underlying issue of the "we're going to completely break the game" enhancement pass, and the multitude of bugs that permeate every level of the game. MotU has been out for almost a year. When am I going to stop seeing string table errors on NPC speech balloons? Ever? I haven't logged into the game in over a month, but from what I see about U18, it was rushed and filled with even more bugs. Why should we trust you, Turbine? I see nothing in the last year that gives me any reason that going forward we won't see more of the same shoddy coding, lazy areas, and total contempt for your customers.

    From where do you get the nerve to ask people for $50 for this?

    Edit: Even going by the base price pack at $29.99, the very least I would expect content wise would be:
    5 adventure packs, minimum 4 quests each.
    2 raids
    3 wilderness areas

    Compare Everquest's Velious expansion. For the same $30, players got:
    3 cities
    16 zones (6 of them large outdoor zones at least as big as King's Forest)
    7 raid areas
    Roughly 80 new quests
    Massive tradeskill expansion using the new materials on the new continent. Tradeskills were also folded into the quest content with the Coldain Shawl quest line - a quest line which by itself surpasses most of MotU in amount of content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    How true.
    You do realize that with your history of defending every decision made by Turbine concerning this game, and the frequency with which you are wrong about factual information, that your perspective is. . . questionable, right?

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    Info posted on massively: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05...-shadowfell-c/

    Interesting:

    Both standard Rogues and Shadar-kai Rogues will enjoy an upgrade to the stealth system that Turbine is preparing for the expansion
    Also Ten Ton Hammer: http://www.tentonhammer.com/ddo/news/ddo-shadowfell-conspiracy-prequel-begins-today-with-update-18


    Also mmorpg: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...3/feature/7436


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    I think the general point is a valid one, even if some people's tone could be better. I fully expect Turbine to release more details and for the expansion to include things I am not aware of, but it will not include everything I could ever want.

    That said, with the limited amount of official details currently available I'm disinclined to pre-order. I bought the last pre-order because I knew I wanted the quests and class that were offered in its description and the bonuses + TP made it look like a good buy. This time, only really knowing the bonuses, its not a sufficient enticement that my cost to value calculations make me want to plop down money ahead of knowing more details.
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