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    Default Calanndra- An Arcane Archer Paladin build

    So, i have a character that i run only with my cousin. Right now it's a Bard and his character is a Paladin. We decided that we'd make these characters triple completionists. As an additional challenge we're each only going to use the weapons that we used during the first life through ALL of our lives (Except for spell casters and Artificers). As a result i have decided to plan out the lives for the other classes early; specifically Paladin for this post.

    With this build i wanted to get the Hunter of the Dead PrE as well as the Elven Arcane Archer. i made sure to get Toughness, WF:Ranged, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, Manyshot, Precise Shot, and IPS. i didn't bother making items for it in the character planner since it's still missing quite a few of them.

    What i was wondering was if any of you forumites could give me ways to make it better (While keeping it elf race, keeping AA and HotD, and obviously using bows). As well as whether Smite Evil and other Paladin abilities work with ranged weapons? if not than that frees up a few APs for me.

    without further adieu, here is Calanndra as a lvl 25 paladin:

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    Level 25 Lawful Good Elf Female
    (20 Paladin \ 5 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 422
    Spell Points: 518 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 20
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
    Strength             14                    17
    Dexterity            18                    28
    Constitution         14                    17
    Intelligence          8                    11
    Wisdom               12                    15
    Charisma             14                    17
    
    Tomes Used
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
    Balance               4                    17.5
    Bluff                 2                     8
    Concentration         2                     8
    Diplomacy             2                     8
    Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
    Haggle                2                     8
    Heal                  5                    30
    Hide                  4                    14
    Intimidate            2                     8
    Jump                  2                     8
    Listen                1                     9
    Move Silently         4                    14
    Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair               -1                     5
    Search               -1                     7
    Spot                  1                     9
    Swim                  2                     8
    Tumble                n/a                  n/a
    Use Magic Device      n/a                   8
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
    Enhancement: Follower of the Undying Court
    Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
    Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
    Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
    Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
    Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
    Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
    Enhancement: Undying Call
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
    Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II
    
    
    Level 10 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
    Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
    
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
    Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
    Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
    Enhancement: Paladin Weapons of Good
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
    
    
    Level 21 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 22 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 23 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 24 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 25 (Paladin)
    Please, let me know of any way i could improve it while allowing it to do what i want it to do.

    Thanks in advance,
    CabooseJTS

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    Default Pyrene, the Endgame Paladin

    Pyrene, the End Game Paladin: 15 Paladin / 3 Monk / 2 Ranger

    *IMPORTANT NOTES*
    1. After testing, I changed the build to 15 Paladin / 3 Ranger / 2 monk and the build stays mainly in Defender of Siberis with Legendary Dreadnought.
    2. I made a second change which only applies to players having the completionist feat available, and I am playing a 14 paladin / 4 ranger / 2 monk which has +4 damage & saves over the 15/3/2 split.
    3. First video of the build at level 20: here
    4. I reach level 25, here are some screenshots





    5. Videos coming soon!

    Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9WQRWarPJI (Presentation of the build at Level 20)
    Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmBQzAU1Xo (EEDA Solo in 30 min with no pots/consumables - Fastest completion!)


    BACKGROUND
    As someone who plays one character, I find myself getting bored of a build once I have acquired all the gear pieces relevant to the build and know how to play the build to perfection.
    Consequently, I often find myself dreaming about what my next life could be. I like to try new things.
    My last couple of lives have followed the theme of having the "ranged" option, either with a completely ranged character, such as the Sithali build, or simply by having Manyshot.

    To understand the build and the concept behind it, it is important to know that as DDO evolves, saves, defenses, self-healing & burst DPS gained a lot in importance.
    These are some of the reasons that have contributed to popularize builds such as AAs, Shiradi Casters and the Juggernaut.


    My first capped toon was a WF Paladin inspired by Ultimega (the name may be familiar to some Khyber folks). I enjoyed this toon a lot, and with the nerf of Zeal, I didn't really have a reason to revisit the Paladin Class. Until now.

    Contrary to popular belief, paladins have gained a lot in power (Being able to Dual-Boost with Haste boost twisted, 2 extra feats on a feat-starved class, Great Synergy with the Fury of the Wild Destiny). Their DPS is lower than some other classes but with their saves, self healing and utility (Ability to Off-tank, very high UMD...), they are nearly impossible to kill.


    PROS vs CONS (in no particular order)

    + High Saves
    + Great instantaneous self healing, and out of combat healing
    + High DPS Paladin
    + High Burst DPS w/ Manyshot & Dual Boosts
    + High healing amplification
    + Decent PRR
    + Benefits a lot from Completionist and great gear as they have several main stats
    + Evasion
    + Sprint Boost
    + Very self sufficient: makes a great soloer
    + Synergy with the Fury of the Wild Destiny
    + Complex to play (less boring), clickie-intensive (active & thoughtfull gameplay), not an easy button like Shiradi Casters
    + Versatility: 2 different destinies to play with depending on the situation, 2 combat styles (either TWF or THF)
    + Situationally Monk Light buffs
    - Good luck finding one




    The name of the build comes from the French Mountains called "The Pyrénées". I will be playing the build in a couple of weeks.


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    PYRENE, LAWFUL GOOD HUMAN: 15 PALADIN / 3 MONK / 2 RANGER


    STATS* (36) All sustainable, assuming LD
    Str - 16+6(lvl)+4(tome)+2(compl)+2(yugo)+2(ship)+8(item) +2(insight)+4(alchem)+5(primal)+2(madstone)+1(exc) = 54
    Dex - 14+4(tome)+2(compl)+2(ship)+2(yugo)+8(item)+2(insi ght)+4(alchem)+1(exc)+1(enh)=40
    Con - 16+4(tome)+2(compl)+2(ship)+2(yugo)+(8item)+2(insi ght)+4(alchem)+5(primal)+1(exc)+4(madstone)= [b]50/b]
    Int - 8+4(tome)+2(Compl)+2(ship)+1(exc)=17
    Wis - 8+4(tome)+2(compl)+2(yugo)+2(ship)+7(item)+2(Insig ht)+1(exc)= 28
    Cha - 16+4(tome)+2(compl)+2(ship)+2(yugo)+8(item)+3(insi ght)+2(enh.)+1(exc) = 40

    *: Adjust stats according to tomes available to you. Keep in mind 18 base charisma is needed for Divine Might III, 23 base Str for Overwhelming critical and 17 base Dex for Manyshot.

    LEVELING ORDER & FEATS
    1. M: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Power Attack
    2. M: Toughness (Evasion)
    3. R: Cleave, FE: Giants (Bow Strength)
    4. R: (Rapid Shot)
    5. P
    6. P: Great Cleave, (Divine Grace)
    7-8. P
    9. P: Quicken
    10-11. P
    12. P: Manyshot
    13-14. P
    15. P: Improved Critical: Slashing
    16-17. P
    18. P: Improved Critical: Ranged
    19. P
    20. M: Light Path
    21-25. Overwhelming Critical, Completionist/Empower Healing

    # Legendary Dreadnought is used most of the time
    Twists w/ Legendary
    3. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 LD)
    2. Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Unyielding Sentinel)
    1. Primal Scream / Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Fury / Primal Avatar)

    # Fury of the Wild is used for raids or when there is already someone blitzing in the group
    Twists w/ Fury of the Wild
    3. Haste Boost (Tier 3 LD)
    2. Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Unyielding Sentinel)
    1. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal Avatar)


    ENHANCEMENTS

    HUMAN Charisma I (2), Improved Recovery II (6), Human Versatility IV (10), Racial Toughness II (3),
    RANGER Ranger Sprint boost I (1), Favored Damage I (1), Dexterity I (2)
    MONK Patient Tortoise I (1), Improved Recovery I (2)
    PALADIN Resistance of Good II (3), Divine Righteousness I (1), Divine Sacrifice II (3), Exalted Smite III (6), Extra Lay on Hands II (3), Extra Smite Evil IV (10), Hunter of the Dead II (3), Devotion II (3), Charisma I (2), Toughness II (3), Divine Might III (6), Improved Turning II (3), Extra Turning II (3)



    SPELLS

    Level 1: (3) Protection from Evil, Divine Favor, Virtue
    Level 2: (2) Resist Energy, Cure Light Wounds
    Level 3: (2) Cure Moderate Wounds, Prayer
    Level 4: (2) Cure Serious Wounds, Zeal



    SKILLS
    Max UMD (***)
    Concentration (**)
    Balance (**)
    Spot (*)
    Put 1 point in Tumble at start

    SAVES
    F-15+4(GH)+7(res)+1(alch)+1(ship)+2(luck)+20(stat)+4 (insight)+15(cha)+2(brace)= 71
    R-11+4(GH)+7(res)+1(alch)+1(ship)+2(luck)+15(stat)+1 (haste)+4(insight)+15(cha)+2(brace)= 63 + Evasion
    W-8+4(GH)+7(res)+1(alch)+1(ship)+2(luck)+9(stat)+4(i nsight)+15(cha)+2(brace)= 53
    *Considering the save check is in the low 60's for EEGH (61-63 from my experience), you will never fail a save with 71/63/53. Reflex save being the most important as most will-save based spells you can protect yourself from.

    HIT POINTS
    20 base
    +10 Favor
    +50 Epic levels
    +190 class
    +400 con
    +35 GFL
    +20 toughness item
    +27 toughness feat
    +40 toughness enh.
    +20 barb pl
    +50 LD levels
    +5 tortoise
    +45 shroud
    +20 yugo
    =932 HP sustainable (982 HP in Fury).

    Enough when you never fail a save and you have evasion.


    PRR
    10 base
    + 14 slotted
    + 15 planar
    = 39 in LD (45 w/ Fury)

    Healing Amplification

    There have been some super-high healing amplification paladin builds in the past, but honestly, besides seeing good numbers and being self sufficient, they didn't bring much to the table.
    The Pyrene has some great healing amp. but doesn't push it to the point you sacrifice gear slots and DPS to see cool numbers pop up.

    1.05 Pally PL
    1.1 ship
    1.1 HotD 1
    1.1 HotD 2
    1.1 enh.
    1.2 enh.
    1.3 bracers
    = 240% Healing Amp.



    GEAR

    Helm: EE Black Dragon Helm w/ 8 con (Yellow, Green)
    Goggles: EE Intricate Field Optics w/ 3 insight. cha (Yellow, Green)
    Necklace: Pendant of the Stormreaver (Yellow)
    Armor: Black Dragon Robe (Blue)
    Trinket: Planar focus of Prowess w/ 8 str
    Cloak: EE Jeweled Cloak (Yellow, Green)
    Belt: +45 HP Belt
    Ring1: Ring of Deceit (Yellow, Colorless)
    Ring2: Ring of the Stalker (Yellow, colorless)
    Boots: Halcyon Boots (Yellow, colorless)
    Gloves: Gauntlets of Immortality (Yellow, Colorless)
    Bracers: Greater Convalescent bracers of superior parrying
    Quiver: EE Quiver of Poison

    Weapon:

    Tier 4 Cleaver Hewer of Suffering w/ Good/Elemental Damage
    Tier 4 Pinion, Cloud-Piercer w/Red slot: +1d10 Ice damage
    Various DR Breakers: ESOS, EAGA



    Note: The gear setup can be really changed according to what you have available. Ex: EE Treads of Falling Shadows, EE Nether Grasps (and putting 114 devotion on the Cleaver), Adamantine Cloak of the wolf


    SOME POSSIBLE QUESTIONS


    #1. Why Empower Healing vs another feat such as Maximize or Stunning blow? While there are a lot of clickies allowing the use of the Maximize feat at no extra spell cost, Rejuvenation Cocoon only works with Empower Healing. Stunning blow is irrelevant for current endgame as it is difficult to make it work on non monks/fighters/barbarians, especially due to stat repartition for paladins.
    #2. Why no intimidate? It is not very important to have because a simple manyshot will instantly give you the aggro. Your solid melee DPS combined with Divine Righteousness will be enough to keep aggro. Only EELOB requires a specialized tank at this point of the game, and with this build you can be the tank in any raid.
    #3. Why no investment in AC? 1. You cannot have evasion if you wear heavy armor. 2. Using Robes saves a significant amount of time when switching situationnally or for clickies. 3. It simply doesn't work well in EE.
    #4. Why Cleaver over Esos? LD offers an additional crit multiplier to the cleaver. 15 PRR is also incredibly important. You may not see it now; So either trust me or go in EEDA solo and we will understand each other
    #5. Why THF over TWF? TWF also works pretty well on this build (since with THF>TWF nowadays, paladins is the most viable class for TWF) - Replace Quicken+Maximize for ITWF+GTWF. Drop IC:Ranged for Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh. If going for the Deathnips route, drop Ic:Slashing for Ic:Piercing.

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    Thanks for the suggestions Cynning. However, I'm one who doesn't personally like to multiclass(i have no problem with others doing it and i know that it can make your character more powerful depending on the build), which is why i kept Calanndra a Pure Pally even though going multiclass may have been easier. I know it won't be as optimized, do as much damage, or be able to survive as much content as other builds, but it's one that i think i could have fun playing.

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    In generals, archery + paladins are a bad mix, esp. if you want to stay pure: partly because pallies get no bonus feats and archers are feat-constrained; partly because monkchers and even pure rangers have better sustained ranged DPS; and partly because some of the pallies' best abilities are melee-only (e.g., Zeal, Smite, Divine Sacrifice). Your build has to backload most of your ranged feats and still doesn't have Bow STR, which makes her DPS even worse. If you were willing to multi-class, I might suggest a rgr / pally hybrid; but if you're staying pure, I strongly recommend you stick with a melee-focused pally.
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    Default ranged pally

    Exactly what Unbongwa said. If you enjoy a certain desire to play this build then you may enjoy it. If you have ever played any toon with any kind of speed, defense, or DPS, then you will hate this build because it will have none of those things. I've wanted a ranged Pally for a long time, and never could build an effective one. None of the Paladin Enhancements or Feats are really compatible with an AA. Its very unfortunate. and as he said above both Paladin and Ranged are both Feat starved.

    However, if you want it badly enough, it looks like you have all the right Feats to continue with a pure ranged Paladin. Good luck and have fun!
    Last edited by Cynning; 05-09-2013 at 03:12 PM.

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    Thanks for all the feed back guys. And i know ranged pallies aren't very good (particularly because the paladin as a class is feat starved). I've played pallies, and I've played rangers, and I've enjoyed the aspects of both. I know my DPS won't be very good (my DPS isn't very good on my bard lives because i don't have Bow Strength either), but that's part of the added challenge that my cousin and i wanted. I also wasn't sure weather Smite actually worked with range because it doesn't specifically say it's Melee only either in-game or in the planner. If you guys say it doesn't than so be it.

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    Default Even going single completionist

    doing pure ranged builds that aren't monk/ranger/fighter sounds extraordinarily painful. If you want pain, okay.

    But like others said above, it really behooves you to reconsider pureclassing and your aversion to multiclassing because a pure paladin archer sounds like an unfortunate liability, and any multiclassing at all slowly turns that statement around.
    The absurd forum change has forced 'SealedInSong' to become 'TuskCouncil' temporarily.

    Thanks for shaking up the forums until they're unreadable and unusable instead of fixing all the bugs and releasing a coherent enhancement alpha!

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    I'm looking at this, and I'm somewhat sad. You've got some great advice, some strange choices, and a lack of desire to multiclass. I know someone who is going from life #1 to #40, all archery, and she wrecked things on her pally (and, well, every) life. But she multiclassed.

    Maybe I'm missing something, but if you don't want to melee (why not?), why do you need str?
    Also, why 12 wis? A +6 item gets an 8 wis pally to 14, unless you're after turn undead..
    And, I'm not sure if you're going with your cousin or joining groups, but.. A ranged paladin? At least a bard brings CC..
    Idk, I just see these 3 lives being painful :\

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    Two things come to mind.
    1: Dont put unnecessary build points into dexterity. Dexterity does not add any extra damage and should only be as high as you need to qualify for your chosen feats (19 including tomes if you are taking Improved Precise Shot, otherwise 17). Strenght, charisma and constitution are your priorities. If you take the Bow Strength feat, you will add your Strength modifier to bow damage.
    2: Dont put skill points into Heal, that skill doesnt really do anything. Use magic device on the other hand is a very usefull skill even though you only get half ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabooseJTS View Post
    With this build i wanted to get the Hunter of the Dead PrE as well as the Elven Arcane Archer. Thanks in advance,
    CabooseJTS
    Maybe this is a bit premature, but I have currently being considering a 6 ranger 14 pali AA.

    currently

    with 7 feats you get:

    improved crit - ranged, improved crit - slash..etc

    PBS, WF - ranged, mental toughness, IPS

    Empower heal/toughness

    BUT that is just for now, considering the enhancement pass, a build like this will get so much better if you just ignore the core class enhancements and go human:

    exchange mental toughness and WF for PA and cleave and GC (human feat)

    exchange IPS for precision

    The sum of the builds damage would be with slaying arrows and regenerating exalted smites under adrenalines.

    AAs will hav regenerating spell pts which is great for paladins.

    I am not going to put it all here, but if your interested you could def. look into it yourself.

    Sorry, if post is out of context.

    Cheers!

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