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    I think I've found an exploit, I think it's pretty game-breaking and I've reported people who've used this exploit..But time have passed since I've first reported those players and they still do it and more people seem to learn about it and I'm begining to feel like I'm missing an opportunity myself. I'm begining to feel like I'm the one punished for not using this exploit. I'm begining to ask myself if this is really an exploit. So what am I supposed to do?

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    When in doubt, send a message with the how-to's of it to Cordovan or Tolero and have them pass the suspected exploit info to the code monkeys. Insist on at least a confirmation as to the legitimacy of the claim. And, when in doubt, rely on the adage of "If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't"

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    It feels too good to be true, and I haven't done it. But now that I see people doing it, I report them, and they keep doing it weeks after. I feel like I'm the big loser for not doing it myself.

    You suggest I send them a private message on the forum?

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    It depends in part on what the exploit does. Is it a fast way to finish a quest? Some way to get lots of extra XP (not by finishing a quest fast)? Some way to kill lots of kobolds (or other monsters in the manual) without doing much/anything (by leaving a hireling behind to do the work)? A way to farm plat fast? A way to preview part of Update 18 now (I remember someone showing me the new tower of the twelve a week before it was released)? Some of these you might consider posting here, others you might consider posting an outline of the problem and leaving the details out.

    If it is a way to take something from another toons inventory or bank I would say file another complaint (both in game and as a bug report)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandark2 View Post
    I think I've found an exploit, I think it's pretty game-breaking and I've reported people who've used this exploit..But time have passed since I've first reported those players and they still do it and more people seem to learn about it and I'm begining to feel like I'm missing an opportunity myself. I'm begining to feel like I'm the one punished for not using this exploit. I'm begining to ask myself if this is really an exploit. So what am I supposed to do?
    Take the high ground and don't exploit. You will never miss the opportunity to cheat. You will be a better person and player for it.

    Secondly, report it with the bug report tools AND PM KookieKobold and SqueakofDoom with all the details you can.

    Let them make the call and get it fixed if it needs it.

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    I have made a bug report on the forum and I've reported the players in game using the tickets. But I don't get a confirmation that it's an exploit, although it clearly looks like one to me, and those I reported still do it and spread the words so more can do it.

    I'm not saying I'm missing the opportunity to cheat, but it's frustrating to see people cheat, get away with it and get huge benefits from doing it. Would it continue like this, I'd be tempted to either consider it fine and part of the game, like duping items in old Diablo1 for those who remember...

    I'm talking about more xp especially, but also items, that's you'd get earlier and much faster than somebody who wouldn't do this ''trick'' or exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandark2 View Post
    I have made a bug report on the forum and I've reported the players in game using the tickets. But I don't get a confirmation that it's an exploit, although it clearly looks like one to me, and those I reported still do it and spread the words so more can do it.

    I'm not saying I'm missing the opportunity to cheat, but it's frustrating to see people cheat, get away with it and get huge benefits from doing it. Would it continue like this, I'd be tempted to either consider it fine and part of the game, like duping items in old Diablo1 for those who remember...

    I'm talking about more xp especially, but also items, that's you'd get earlier and much faster than somebody who wouldn't do this ''trick'' or exploit.
    First get confirmation that it is in fact an exploit. Don't post the details here, but send Cordovan and Tolero private messages asking them to confirm if this is an exploit. Remember generally if you question something as being an exploit it probably is. However, there are many quests with built in "Short Cuts" for those savvy enough to search them out. So again I would say send a PM to them ask the question and get your confirmation. If it is determined that it is an exploit you can be safe by avoiding it, if however it is not than you know how to get it done a bit faster.

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    um. now that your account is tied to the forums. no need to report. you are already being watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandark2 View Post
    I'm talking about more xp especially, but also items, that's you'd get earlier and much faster than somebody who wouldn't do this ''trick'' or exploit.
    I held off on window farming for years, until I read specifically from an official that they didn't care. It's nearly meaningless now anyways since abandon/share only takes a second or two longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandark2 View Post
    I think I've found an exploit, I think it's pretty game-breaking and I've reported people who've used this exploit..But time have passed since I've first reported those players and they still do it and more people seem to learn about it and I'm begining to feel like I'm missing an opportunity myself. I'm begining to feel like I'm the one punished for not using this exploit. I'm begining to ask myself if this is really an exploit. So what am I supposed to do?
    honestly, use it. think of it as a gift from the devs for all the bugs, lag, ladder hitches and various other annoyances in the game that they could fix but choose not to.

    also IMO most of these so called exploits are inventive ways around a problem that a good DM in pnp would reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edyit76 View Post
    honestly, use it. think of it as a gift from the devs for all the bugs, lag, ladder hitches and various other annoyances in the game that they could fix but choose not to.

    also IMO most of these so called exploits are inventive ways around a problem that a good DM in pnp would reward.
    Yes there are obvious exploits like the shared bank plat bug, having all destinies active, etc. Those are clearly wrong and anyone that uses it should know it's wrong. I would never consider using these. Why play a game for fun and then cheat?

    Then there are things like completing impossible demands in 25 seconds or less. It's commonly used, but a little bit tricky to pull off. Is it an exploit or smart play? It's certainly not working as intended, but neither is running up to the top left room and completing in les than 2 minutes which is easy to pull off and still probably not working as intended. However, it's possible the devs put these in intentionally to make destiny farming easier. Who knows. It's common knowledge so if they want to change it they can.

    There are many quests you can complete fast with invis/haste and avoiding almost all the fights. I don't consider these exploits, but perhaps others do. The same is true with techniques for completing gianthold tor on ee. There are many ways to make that quest easier that obviously aren't working as intended - but those are used in every gianthold ee I've run. It could be considered an exploit, but it can also be considered developing a good strategy. It's certainly not clear to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotMyRealAccount View Post
    I held off on window farming for years, until I read specifically from an official that they didn't care. It's nearly meaningless now anyways since abandon/share only takes a second or two longer.
    I'm fairly sure window farming is not the issue the op is referring to. I suspect he is referring to a "technique" for toons of a certain "designation" to gain entry into quests of different "designation." While this "technique" is probably technically an exploit, I suspect it is of low enough impact that there will be neither repercussions nor a "fix" in the forseeable future. It is very much akin to "red lettering" a quest that requires flagging when you aren't flagged, ie the common (and legal) "Shadow Crypt/need opener" lfms.

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    My opinion on exploiting in general:
    I used to be flat against it. That has changed with time however. Reason being, I have seen exploitable bugs reported during Lama previews, which are released to live unchanged. This started my path to the dark side. When the Shears bug was reported early, went to live, reported again, and the Shears were put on sale while the exploit was knonw to Turbine but only acknowledged as an exploit after the sale was over, with no repercussions for those known to have willfully participated; this pushed me farther down the path. When major bugs started making it to live servers, ie the monsters popping you or themselves into walls making quests uncompletable, that should have been easily catchable via thurogh (IMO proper) testing prior to a build release, my journey to the dark side was complete.

    If they're going to release under tested or knowingly flawed coding to live game servers, that can & does impede my ability to enjoy the game, then I will take advantage of the same when it happens in my favor. That said, my general advice is this:
    If you think it might be an exploit, use at your own risk. Turbine has shown themselves to be capricious on the matter. You may get away clean ala the Shears example, or you may get banned ala the Mabar dragon scale fiasco.
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    Just because it seems exploiters are getting away with it now - don't assume it will always be the case.

    Turbine probably gets a ton of exploit reports, and it would take a while to go through them all.

    Even once they get to this one in particular, they have to see how it can be replicated, determine how to fix it, etc - before they worry about punishing those doing it.

    If it is an exploit, bans will come at some stage, you can count on it.

    Fall into the trap of thinking it's being ignored, and doing it yourself, will only see you end up amongst those banned.
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    I think this falls in the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you Should" category

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    Be rather hypocritical to start doing this yourself after you have reported others for doing it don't ya think?

    Just don't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Be rather hypocritical to start doing this yourself after you have reported others for doing it don't ya think?

    Just don't do it.
    Once upon a time, people reported others for "red lettering" Shadow Crypt. Eventually it was shown to be an acceptable practice.

    Reporting others for suspicion of exploiting, then later learning it was indeed not an (punishable)exploit leaves you free & clear to participate, devoid of any hypocrisy.

    Granted, on this particular issue the jury's still out. How ever once a verdict is reached - and if the verdict is "not an exploit" he may in good conscience participate.
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    If it looks like an exploit, and smells like an exploit, it probably is an exploit.

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    In the past, when people EXPLOITED +3 TOMES, they were suspended for three days. Remember when +3 tomes were the currency of choice?

    The same players suffered their suspension and came back, and they did it again.

    Typical exploit penalties are 1 day suspension, 3 day suspension, 30 day suspension, and perma ban. But, perma ban does not really mean perma banned. Many players that were perma banned in the past are playing right now.

    I say the penalty for exploiting is exceedingly minor compared to the benefit you get from exploiting.

    Do you have morals? if you have morals, then maybe exploiting will seem wrong.

    BTW, I have never used an exploit that I know of. Why? because I don't have sort sort of mental problem of some sort that says I need to exploit. I enjoy playing games. I don't cheat at chess. I don't cheat at monopoly. Why should I cheat at DDO?
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    Why are you reporting others for doing something anyways? Do you think they're gold farmers or making real money from this game? If so, good job on reporting them.

    If they're just players, who cares what they are doing? You aren't their parent. Their actions don't affect you. The fact that you reported them and now want to carry out whatever it is their doing comes across as immature. Is your understanding of "fair" is "as long as I can have what you have and if I can't, I'm going to hurt you"?

    Just don't play with people you feel are cheaters. If you're not a cheater and just enjoy the game, ignore those people and you'll continue enjoying the game as you were before you discovered whatever it was that you discovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandark2 View Post
    I think I've found an exploit, I think it's pretty game-breaking and I've reported people who've used this exploit..But time have passed since I've first reported those players and they still do it and more people seem to learn about it and I'm begining to feel like I'm missing an opportunity myself. I'm begining to feel like I'm the one punished for not using this exploit. I'm begining to ask myself if this is really an exploit. So what am I supposed to do?
    The exploit to which you're talking about isn't game breaking nor important. Reporting people for such an exploit is silly.

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