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    As I type this since about 9:20 EST Thelanis has had not a single 20+ LFM up, and a grand total of 15 LFM's available. at least one of which is actually full... I keep waiting to hit post expecting the LFM's I'm missing to show up suddenly. now up to 17 LFM's none above 19th level.

    [edit] One Shroud and a "free chests" devil assault the moment I post this... still kind of ghost town like.

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    Default Another thread, really?

    Wouldn't this be better suited as a supporting post to your existing "Lfm/Grouping needs a pass!" thread?
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    Don't worry I will be back on Thelanis soon. Just checking out Neverwinter.

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    Is play my characters without the certitude that they're being meganerfed after the enhancement pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    As I type this since about 9:20 EST Thelanis has had not a single 20+ LFM up, and a grand total of 15 LFM's available. at least one of which is actually full... I keep waiting to hit post expecting the LFM's I'm missing to show up suddenly. now up to 17 LFM's none above 19th level.

    [edit] One Shroud and a "free chests" devil assault the moment I post this... still kind of ghost town like.
    The number of LFM's means nothing anymore and certainly means nothing about server population. As has been mentioned many times, people are getting their groups out of guild and chat channels or simply running with a hireling. Few quests require a full group (or even a half full group), so there is no need for pugging. I haven't pugged in years, don't even look at the list and I'm on Thelanis.

    Also players killed pugging too, all those years of shrouds and do not group lists and whiny jerks who think they were the best, yet always died and blamed someone else for it, people got tired of this. Would rather play alone, then deal with that.

    Also BYOH - no noobs- know it -IP LFM's don't count. You don't want more players, you are just pretending to show off as if anyone else cared.

    Also its been a couple of months since the last update, population always drops when there is little or no content for an extended period. With U 18 likely going on Lamannia today and likely live in a couple of weeks, we'll see people come back and also when they give more information out about the expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    As I type this since about 9:20 EST Thelanis has had not a single 20+ LFM up, and a grand total of 15 LFM's available. at least one of which is actually full... I keep waiting to hit post expecting the LFM's I'm missing to show up suddenly. now up to 17 LFM's none above 19th level.

    [edit] One Shroud and a "free chests" devil assault the moment I post this... still kind of ghost town like.
    Easy fix, put up a LFM!

    There, you now have a LFM for 20+ and problem solved.

    See how easy that is?


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    Those who like to lead groups are over in NWO right now creating them. Dont worry, they will be back when the expansion drops, for a few weeks.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Plenty of groups in Neverwinter I used to play DDO for 4-6 hours a day, haven't played since last week. Will probably come back to DDO after the expansion and/or enhancement pass for a bit... Turbine has shot themselves in the the foot:


    • Released Epic Destinies whose power level was such a dramatic jump it diminished the value of the long-term TR grinding...
    • Released Epic Gianthold then immediately announced a new expansion pack with higher level cap, which likely means higher level loot. IMHO diminishing the value of grinding EE GH gear for every character when it may all be obsolete with the expansion...
    • Announced a sweeping enhancement change which will drastically affect almost all characters. IMHO this diminishes the value of rolling up a new character as the change ensures what you create today will be vastly different in the future. For those of us that still take weeks to max level a character it's simply not worth putting in the time into leveling a character before such a massive change.
    • Released these PoS forums, enough said.


    The only thing left to do is log in and talk to friends... But they're all playing NWO so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Name_Is_Not_Allowed View Post
    come back to DDO after the expansion and/or enhancement pass for a bit...
    You're probably not alone with that idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Name_Is_Not_Allowed View Post
    Turbine has shot themselves in the the foot:
    Definitely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Name_Is_Not_Allowed View Post
    Released Epic Gianthold then immediately announced a new expansion pack with higher level cap, which likely means higher level loot. IMHO diminishing the value of grinding EE GH gear for every character when it may all be obsolete with the expansion...
    Oh yes, that one was great... I won't even mention :
    announced a new expansion when most of the altaholics haven't gotten all their alts through the first expansions and follow up quests, nor fully geared... Right now I'm using several of my LVL 20 characters as mules... because I haven't had time to level them to 25+ ( and yes I always could window farm Dun'robar, but after 5/6 times it gets pretty dull and I want to do something else. ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Name_Is_Not_Allowed View Post
    Announced a sweeping enhancement change which will drastically affect almost all characters. IMHO this diminishes the value of rolling up a new character as the change ensures what you create today will be vastly different in the future. For those of us that still take weeks to max level a character it's simply not worth putting in the time into leveling a character before such a massive change.
    You forgot to mention : it's going to cripple many of the existing characters in it's present form... So lots of players are just taking a vacation in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Name_Is_Not_Allowed View Post
    Plenty of groups in Neverwinter I used to play DDO for 4-6 hours a day, haven't played since last week. Will probably come back to DDO after the expansion and/or enhancement pass for a bit... Turbine has shot themselves in the the foot:


    • Released Epic Destinies whose power level was such a dramatic jump it diminished the value of the long-term TR grinding...
    • Released Epic Gianthold then immediately announced a new expansion pack with higher level cap, which likely means higher level loot. IMHO diminishing the value of grinding EE GH gear for every character when it may all be obsolete with the expansion...
    • Announced a sweeping enhancement change which will drastically affect almost all characters. IMHO this diminishes the value of rolling up a new character as the change ensures what you create today will be vastly different in the future. For those of us that still take weeks to max level a character it's simply not worth putting in the time into leveling a character before such a massive change.
    • Released these PoS forums, enough said.


    The only thing left to do is log in and talk to friends... But they're all playing NWO so....
    Don't forget were scared into removing their cc information and aren't sure if they want to support the game anymore, not sure how big that group is but I know there are some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KweiLi View Post
    The number of LFM's means nothing anymore and certainly means nothing about server population. As has been mentioned many times, people are getting their groups out of guild and chat channels or simply running with a hireling. Few quests require a full group (or even a half full group), so there is no need for pugging. I haven't pugged in years, don't even look at the list and I'm on Thelanis.

    Also players killed pugging too
    Wow so everyone joined a guild or went solo in the past week...

    Who cares what the LFM panel says about server population that's entirely besides the point (although your assumptions are ignoring established facts of random statistical sampling so you can offer up something that is extremely far fetched):

    Those of us who use the LFM system for any reason are looking at what is increasingly a ghost town. Guilds aren't going to keep new players playing DDO after two days with nothing much to do unless they like spamming Korthos, and we all know how well liked guilds are when they do that right?... PUG'ers and new players are going to move on to a different game (in fact they seem to be already doing).

    This "nothing is wrong with the game because my guild still has groups" attitude seems to be short sighted at best and pure selfishness at worst. "as long as I have fun, who cares about people who don't want guild drama/commitment or to solo etc."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Easy fix, put up a LFM!
    There's always someone... "just solo, just go IP right away... just join a guild, just start your own LFM"

    Seriously how about just don't comment on threads about PUG's? As if any of those mind numbing offerings address the problem or even display a moments thought about the issue? Pugs are what many people play, many players aren't interested in playing HOW YOU PLAY.

    Solo'ing is best done in a single player game that is actually a good immersive RPG not a klunky MMO amusement park. If my choice is to solo in DDO then my choice is to punt and play Skyrim.
    Going IP turns off many would be joiners who like to start from the begining for any number of perfectly valid reasons.
    Joining a guild means joining drama and politics, committing to something, and possibly living up to someone elses idea of HOW and/or WHEN and/or WHERE you should be playing. You want me to join your Raid? Ah sorry I'm on timer, oh you're giving me a timer bypass?.. Great now I look like a D*ck if I say no, but I hate that raid... guess I'd rather suffer for an hour or so than look like an ungreatful d*ck. Guilds are not for everyone.
    Starting your own LFM implies leadership, and most players do not want to lead, thus they don't want to start the LFM.

    Every time you're tempted to answer a post about PUGS with "solo, lead, guild, or IP" please remind yourself that many players don't want to do that, don't play that way, and their way is just as valid as anyone elses. Then ask yourself if you still want to respond with "just solo... just blah blah blah.

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    There are actually many factors that can contribute to the "Fewer LFMs"

    1. The release (Even Beta) of a different MMO - People like to check new stuff out, it is the nature of a gamer
    2. The TR ebb and flow - This weekend Otto's Irresistible Boxes returned to the store - Not everyone uses these as bargaining chips, some actually use them to get a Fast TR Life. Look to see how many LFMs appear to be in the 1 to 7 range. In a few days (or even as early as this evening you may see the 20+ explode)
    3. Multiple Characters - time to level a Lowbie so I can TR one of my Higher level characters. The idea is to keep someone at every level range so as not to get bored with re-running the same old stuff.

    However, don't be so dismissive on the idea of putting up your own LFM for a 20+ group. The problem with waiting for someone else to put up an LFM is that you could be waiting an unknown amount of time. Putting one up yourself means you pick what you are going to run and just maybe you will pick up the others that are sitting waiting for a 20+ group.

    Also please, guilds are not as full of drama as you make them out to be. Guilds are built after different needs, some are more like a "Family", some a "Business" and even others are more like "Roommates" that you pass occasionally in the hall on your way in or out of the apartment/house. You are right Guilds are not for everyone, and just maybe you are one of those people where a guild is not right for you. However, guilds do tend to provide "established" running partners as well as a more direct chat line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post

    There's always someone... "just solo, just go IP right away... just join a guild, just start your own LFM"

    Seriously how about just don't comment on threads about PUG's? As if any of those mind numbing offerings address the problem or even display a moments thought about the issue? Pugs are what many people play, many players aren't interested in playing HOW YOU PLAY.
    I'll comment all I want to, so deal.

    You know what, they made an option in the LFM for people just like you. You know that you can set it so you do not want to be leader and pass the buck to someone else.

    Enjoy your gametime sitting there staring at the LFM wishing someone would put one up for something you want to do and complain that nobody is doing what you want to do when you want to do it.

    Sounds like you like to play the waiting game in hopes that someone else will take the initiative and run a Quest that you want to.

    Enjoy your wait - I have Questing to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
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    Joining a guild means joining drama and politics, committing to something, and possibly living up to someone elses idea of HOW and/or WHEN and/or WHERE you should be playing. You want me to join your Raid? Ah sorry I'm on timer, oh you're giving me a timer bypass?.. Great now I look like a D*ck if I say no, but I hate that raid... guess I'd rather suffer for an hour or so than look like an ungreatful d*ck. Guilds are not for everyone.
    You're joining the wrong guild then, I'd say.
    Keep looking, there ARE guilds out there that don't require such nonsense.

    As far as the LFM panel being a ghost town?
    It has seen a drastic decrease since MOTU was released, and has been cyclic ever since, with the peaks being 1-3 weeks after a major update. At least, this has been what I have noticed on Thelanis at my normal playtimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    Pugs are what many people play, many players aren't interested in playing HOW YOU PLAY.
    You really can not have it both ways. Either 'PUGs are what many people play', in which case you should be able to put up a PUG in the empty LFM and have in fill almost instantly. Or else there are not actually that many people who play in PUGs. Given the state of things, one of these seems much more likely than the other. It would seem that many players aren't interested in 'playing HOW YOU PLAY'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    As I type this since about 9:20 EST Thelanis has had not a single 20+ LFM up, and a grand total of 15 LFM's available. at least one of which is actually full... I keep waiting to hit post expecting the LFM's I'm missing to show up suddenly. now up to 17 LFM's none above 19th level.
    So you are complaining because during a particular 15 minute period one night there were no LFMs up for the quests you wanted and yet you didn't post an LFM?

    Uh... ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    Who cares what the LFM panel says about server population that's entirely besides the point (although your assumptions are ignoring established facts of random statistical sampling so you can offer up something that is extremely far fetched):
    Established facts? Citation please

    This "nothing is wrong with the game because my guild still has groups" attitude seems to be short sighted at best and pure selfishness at worst. "as long as I have fun, who cares about people who don't want guild drama/commitment or to solo etc."
    It's not selfish, its a reality that if guilds grow, and large guilds have been promoted by recent changes by Turbine, then LFM listings drop because more people run in guild groups. It's simply a reality that the game has changed, again, thanks to the renown changes.

    There's always someone... "just solo, just go IP right away... just join a guild, just start your own LFM"

    Seriously how about just don't comment on threads about PUG's? As if any of those mind numbing offerings address the problem or even display a moments thought about the issue? Pugs are what many people play, many players aren't interested in playing HOW YOU PLAY.
    Sorry, I'll post where I want to post. And those DO address the issue. In many guilds, guild groups are common, its another great way to group which prevents you from even caring about the LFM panel much of the time. You don't like guilds, fine, but as someone who probably ends up PUGing at least half the time let me say that if no one got off their ass and posted and LFM there would be no postings. Stop complaining and POST AN LFM.

    Solo'ing is best done in a single player game that is actually a good immersive RPG not a klunky MMO amusement park. If my choice is to solo in DDO then my choice is to punt and play Skyrim.
    Ok, bye. I happen to agree with you that the move to making this game more solo friendly wasn't my first choice for a D&D game. It does reduce grouping, however, those that read the exit interviews seem to have indicated pretty clearly that the overall population benefits from increased soloability, so live with that reality.

    Joining a guild means joining drama and politics, committing to something, and possibly living up to someone elses idea of HOW and/or WHEN and/or WHERE you should be playing. You want me to join your Raid? Ah sorry I'm on timer, oh you're giving me a timer bypass?.. Great now I look like a D*ck if I say no, but I hate that raid... guess I'd rather suffer for an hour or so than look like an ungreatful d*ck. Guilds are not for everyone.
    While I'm sure that guild is out there somewhere, that's just not the norm in D&D guilds. I've been in two guilds (well, more if you consider my guild merged into a guild that merged into a guild that merged into a guild), and my gf was in another guild and I've never seen such nonsense. If you are getting that, its the wrong guild. Joint one that suits you, there are MANY of them out there and they have the same variety of people and playstyles that you see in PUGs. In fact the best way to join one is to run with them a number of times in PUGs and when you get to know that you like running with guild XXX ask about membership.

    Starting your own LFM implies leadership, and most players do not want to lead, thus they don't want to start the LFM.
    Not necessarily, heck the LFM panel you hate even has a button for "prefers not to lead". Frankly, except in brand new content, it takes almost nothing to lead a DDO PUG anyway. You just have to lay out what new players need to know (if there are any) and discuss what type of quest you are running (eg-all optionals, zerg, etc, often best put in the LFM). No one should be afraid to lead in this game and I encourage everyone to try it.

    Every time you're tempted to answer a post about PUGS with "solo, lead, guild, or IP" please remind yourself that many players don't want to do that, don't play that way, and their way is just as valid as anyone elses. Then ask yourself if you still want to respond with "just solo... just blah blah blah.
    What exactly were you expecting people to respond with when you make a general rant like "all time low for the game" when most of us don't seem to feel that's true.
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    Can't find many LFMs either. Don't have the knowledge of the specific quests/raids to start my own, don't have the time to do solo runs of what I need to run.

    Haven't played DDO much lately and I think this is why. Tried Neverwinter, I won't even dignify my experience there with a response.

    Maybe I just need a timeout. But I think this forum needs a lot of major refinements in its implementation and if I were Turbine I would assign someone full time for 2 weeks to get it done. Perhaps they don't care, and if so, that comes across to the player community.

    Maybe I should try Asheron's Call (sp) (not the new Beta, the Old School AC. I'm having trouble finding out how much the subscription costs. You can digital download the game for $9.99 and get 14 day trial but I just cant find what it costs!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironclans_evil_twin View Post
    Wow so everyone joined a guild or went solo in the past week...

    Who cares what the LFM panel says about server population that's entirely besides the point (although your assumptions are ignoring established facts of random statistical sampling so you can offer up something that is extremely far fetched):

    Those of us who use the LFM system for any reason are looking at what is increasingly a ghost town. Guilds aren't going to keep new players playing DDO after two days with nothing much to do unless they like spamming Korthos, and we all know how well liked guilds are when they do that right?... PUG'ers and new players are going to move on to a different game (in fact they seem to be already doing).

    This "nothing is wrong with the game because my guild still has groups" attitude seems to be short sighted at best and pure selfishness at worst. "as long as I have fun, who cares about people who don't want guild drama/commitment or to solo etc."



    There's always someone... "just solo, just go IP right away... just join a guild, just start your own LFM"

    Seriously how about just don't comment on threads about PUG's? As if any of those mind numbing offerings address the problem or even display a moments thought about the issue? Pugs are what many people play, many players aren't interested in playing HOW YOU PLAY.

    Solo'ing is best done in a single player game that is actually a good immersive RPG not a klunky MMO amusement park. If my choice is to solo in DDO then my choice is to punt and play Skyrim.
    Going IP turns off many would be joiners who like to start from the begining for any number of perfectly valid reasons.
    Joining a guild means joining drama and politics, committing to something, and possibly living up to someone elses idea of HOW and/or WHEN and/or WHERE you should be playing. You want me to join your Raid? Ah sorry I'm on timer, oh you're giving me a timer bypass?.. Great now I look like a D*ck if I say no, but I hate that raid... guess I'd rather suffer for an hour or so than look like an ungreatful d*ck. Guilds are not for everyone.
    Starting your own LFM implies leadership, and most players do not want to lead, thus they don't want to start the LFM.

    Every time you're tempted to answer a post about PUGS with "solo, lead, guild, or IP" please remind yourself that many players don't want to do that, don't play that way, and their way is just as valid as anyone elses. Then ask yourself if you still want to respond with "just solo... just blah blah blah.
    I love this guy!

    seriously who doesnt like the guy that puts all the decision making onto someone else them whine when they dont the choices that are being made...


    i cant imagin what life would be like for me if I let someone else make all the choices for me
    but i guess i would sit around and complain about those choices that are being made for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextrosa View Post
    I love this guy!

    seriously who doesnt like the guy that puts all the decision making onto someone else them whine when they dont the choices that are being made...


    i cant imagin what life would be like for me if I let someone else make all the choices for me
    but i guess i would sit around and complain about those choices that are being made for me
    Yup...just like the guy who complains about government policy but never votes...

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