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    Default seriously - tier 2 twist for soundbust sla? are you insane

    if anyone hugely invest on wis or cha, it is pretty easy to obtain 60s dc

    if it goes to live as it is on lammland,
    every sorc could one shot every ee mobs with aoe helpless + energy burst or breath, wiz will be considered gimp.
    or wis-focused *monkchers* could stun bunch of mobs from the safe distance, laughing at the gimpness of other.

    it's not even a divine class buff, this is another ridiculous power creep for already godly powerful classes, it will significantly widen existing imbalance.
    move it to the innate ability, or at least move it to the higher tier. make it impossible, or harder to twist at least.

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    This is definitely a cause for concern. Either they have not considered the extreme power of the twist or worse yet they have but see it as reasonable. If this goes live it will just be another tool for the already broken, stupidly over powered fotm builds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nichefish View Post
    if anyone hugely invest on wis or cha, it is pretty easy to obtain 60s dc

    if it goes to live as it is on lammland,
    every sorc could one shot every ee mobs with aoe helpless + energy burst or breath, wiz will be considered gimp.
    or wis-focused *monkchers* could stun bunch of mobs from the safe distance, laughing at the gimpness of other.

    it's not even a divine class buff, this is another ridiculous power creep for already godly powerful classes, it will significantly widen existing imbalance.
    move it to the innate ability, or at least move it to the higher tier. make it impossible, or harder to twist at least.
    Nonsense, it merely gives a buff to underpowered builds like cha based barbarians and wis based fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nichefish View Post
    if anyone hugely invest on wis or cha, it is pretty easy to obtain 60s dc
    Soundburst is a fort save for the stun. 60 DC is not enough for EE. (like stormhorns)
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    I wish they would stop making class exclusive spells and abilities twistable by anyone. Every time they do this they water down the classes even more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatneil View Post
    Soundburst is a fort save for the stun. 60 DC is not enough for EE. (like stormhorns)
    Yup

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatneil View Post
    Soundburst is a fort save for the stun. 60 DC is not enough for EE. (like stormhorns)
    lol i was editing the post, and didnt know it submited

    anyway, when i say 60 is *easy*, that means 65 or even 70 is possible. especially for sorc, i regarding.
    even any simple debuff like shaken make things much more easy to land.

    for example, my gimped bard without capstone made 63 dc, without pots or ship buffs. with yugo, shippy, supreme, completionist, capstone, it'll go up for minimum 68, maximum 70 (with some cha enhancements i missed)
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    if you're clever enough to do simple math, you'll find out the SLA version of the spell has even higher dc of its spell version.

    SLA : 10+character level(28) + cha/wis modifier
    spell : 10+9(heighten)+focus, grt.focus, epic focus,wiz past life+3 sorc pl + 6 equipment + 2 augment + (maybe i had missed something) + cha/wis modifier

    so, 9 + 1+1+1+1 + 3 + 6 + 2 is far more less than 28.. i think?
    they're giving out the mass-helpless abilities to everyone, even greater version of spell itself.

    edit : oh, 2 twist slot for +5. so it's one less dc than spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nichefish View Post
    SLA : 10+character level(28) + cha/wis modifier
    CHA: 62-68 (20 Base + 7 level ups + 5 Tome + 6 Enhancements + 11 Item + 1 Exceptional + 3 Insight + 2 Capstone + 3 Destiny + 2 Great Charisma + 1 Litany + 1 Echoes of the Ancestor twist) = 62 CHA (+26) ( +2 yugo +2 ship +2 completionist = 68) (+29)*

    10+28+29 = 67

    Good but not no fail in the hardest of EE's



    *math based, so may be off, cus math is hard
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    something we can fit into a cetus-esque fighter/paly/monk build?
    More focus on cha,using the 4th twist slot for this?

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    Drop stunning blow feat?

    Whats the spelpoint cost on this anyway?

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    It'll really be effective against all that undead we fight nowadays

    Its actually desireable as a twist - this is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    Whats the spelpoint cost on this anyway?
    Currently, it's very low -- 6 SP with a 7 second cooldown. And I think it's only a tier 1 twist. If it makes it live like this, it's definitely going to be a bit . . . broken.

    Then again, it was looking like the DC might be calculated weirdly. I can't log into Lammania to check for myself, so I'm going by reports in the thread. This is currently feeling like something that's either going to be useless or so useful it's incredibly overpowered.
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