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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanhooger View Post
    Anyway, here I found a sorc doing EE WGU without pot, before U24

    Sorry messed up the link now should work

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41jFU5jnjhQ
    Why does every single person that posts sorc wgus do it so miserably slow?
    I see so many spots and fights he could had avoided, and spells he could had used better, also seems like he doesnt handle pillars good either heh as i saw from spells he used and how he was out of vortex range or didnt put disco closer to pillar to hit mobs and pillar with burst, also no cloudkill?
    He used draconic clickie during the time when energy burst vortex and breath were on cd.
    Lotsa mistakes (all cost sp)

    His holds are also not placed correctly as if he doesnt "feel" the target area.
    Im not better then him, but so many mistakes for wasted sp.
    (aka he could had used even less sp if he placed spells correctly)
    Still good tho, just i see much much space for improvment.

    I personally would not post vids with so many mistakes but the one "perfect" run so that people can say nerf sorc!
    Hope to be able to record properly when im back from work and buy new pc parts since so many people asked me for some random playstyle vids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheartox View Post
    Why does every single person that posts sorc wgus do it so miserably slow?
    I see so many spots and fights he could had avoided, and spells he could had used better, also seems like he doesnt handle pillars good either heh as i saw from spells he used and how he was out of vortex range or didnt put disco closer to pillar to hit mobs and pillar with burst, also no cloudkill?
    He used draconic clickie during the time when energy burst vortex and breath were on cd.
    Lotsa mistakes (all cost sp)

    His holds are also not placed correctly as if he doesnt "feel" the target area.
    Im not better then him, but so many mistakes for wasted sp.
    (aka he could had used even less sp if he placed spells correctly)
    Still good tho, just i see much much space for improvment.

    I personally would not post vids with so many mistakes but the one "perfect" run so that people can say nerf sorc!
    Hope to be able to record properly when im back from work and buy new pc parts since so many people asked me for some random playstyle vids
    You don't need perfect, you just need a "good" run that gives you an idea of performance. That's one reason why I think fishing for joy of the queen is stupid, because it's not representative.

    As for the run itself, I agree that it's slow - but this is also one year ago before a bunch of changes. With new gear and new changes, people can easily do better. But back then, 31 minutes was pretty solid. I'd like to see a run around the ~25 min mark for today's standard. There's a lot of talk in this thread with not much show.

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    Thanks cordo
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    You don't need perfect, you just need a "good" run that gives you an idea of performance. That's one reason why I think fishing for joy of the queen is stupid, because it's not representative.

    As for the run itself, I agree that it's slow - but this is also one year ago before a bunch of changes. With new gear and new changes, people can easily do better. But back then, 31 minutes was pretty solid. I'd like to see a run around the ~25 min mark for today's standard. There's a lot of talk in this thread with not much show.
    Yea im pretty sure 25 is standard for good sorc players.
    If you dedicate toward sp pots im sure it can be faster.

    The fact alone that he didnt wing at gates costed him alot time imo.
    Add in ruin in rotation and viola way better /wonder why he didnt pick it back then, i had ruin since i can remember myself playing a draconic sorc and ive been like that many etrs during my arcane plife fishing
    But 25 or less when lucky with crest imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by moo_cow View Post
    You guys may want to test more on that tod set cl, because from my testing there is a clear dps increase. Not from crit chance but for mcl increase.

    It is hard to slot with current rings/belt though.
    Just checked on lamma now that we actually see spell crit chance in the UI.
    Equipping the set didn't increase spell crit. chance at all.
    So it's current description seems to be just completely wrong.

    Guess you are right that it still gives the old 2 MCL increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Just checked on lamma now that we actually see spell crit chance in the UI.
    Equipping the set didn't increase spell crit. chance at all.
    So it's current description seems to be just completely wrong.

    Guess you are right that it still gives the old 2 MCL increase.
    lol turbine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Just checked on lamma now that we actually see spell crit chance in the UI.
    Equipping the set didn't increase spell crit. chance at all.
    So it's current description seems to be just completely wrong.

    Guess you are right that it still gives the old 2 MCL increase.
    Hm so drop necro belt and mark ring i guess.
    get 20% amp as fleshie on ring, not to terribad.
    Issue is con tho, use a pair fo boots with con 10 /or ran gen 11?
    Or just slot in 8 con augment hmm, i dont like the dodge loss to be honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheartox View Post
    Hm so drop necro belt and mark ring i guess.
    get 20% amp as fleshie on ring, not to terribad.
    Issue is con tho, use a pair fo boots with con 10 /or ran gen 11?
    Or just slot in 8 con augment hmm, i dont like the dodge loss to be honest
    I have Con 11 on Inferno Bracers.
    Losing 20 Concentration sucks.
    Losing Neg Energy absorb - don't care.
    Losing 11% dodge really sucks.
    Losing saves - don't care, all my saves are autofail.

    My biggest problem is, I don't have the fire savant ring, lol. Running ToD again, yay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    I have Con 11 on Inferno Bracers.
    Losing 20 Concentration sucks.
    Losing Neg Energy absorb - don't care.
    Losing 11% dodge really sucks.
    Losing saves - don't care, all my saves are autofail.

    My biggest problem is, I don't have the fire savant ring, lol. Running ToD again, yay.
    I had all savant rings, when they changed to artifact i thought they were bad and trashed all..
    Oh well, tod flag, at least got reason to log from barb alt and to over again, yay

    Forgot inferno bracers, leaves only dodge hmm.
    Maybe some kind boots, really like havign 20% dodge now.

    Also what to put on ring as bf...
    Some kind elemental absorb i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheartox View Post
    Forgot inferno bracers, leaves only dodge hmm.
    Maybe some kind boots, really like havign 20% dodge now.
    Boots make most sense. Shame there aren't many good named dodge items.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheartox View Post
    Also what to put on ring as bf...
    Some kind elemental absorb i guess
    Yes, 15% elemental absorb.
    Make sure you chose one you don't have slotted elsewhere. Absorptions on equipment with different values don't stack, even worse, the lower value can overwrite the bigger value in some constellations.
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    Are we sure it's 2 MCL and not 2 CL? Because CL would work only on Burst and Breath while MCL would work on every Savant spell. I'd rather it to be MCL of course but I REALLY don't wanna lose my necro belt..took me ages to farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Boots make most sense. Shame there aren't many good named dodge items.


    Yes, 15% elemental absorb.
    Make sure you chose one you don't have slotted elsewhere. Absorptions on equipment with different values don't stack, even worse, the lower value can overwrite the bigger value in some constellations.
    Huh, I always thought different values stacked. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Boots make most sense. Shame there aren't many good named dodge items.


    Yes, 15% elemental absorb.
    Make sure you chose one you don't have slotted elsewhere. Absorptions on equipment with different values don't stack, even worse, the lower value can overwrite the bigger value in some constellations.
    Oh nooo @.@

    I thouhgt this was correct this whole time but never tested:
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Energy_Absorption
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    Just checked on lamma now that we actually see spell crit chance in the UI.
    Equipping the set didn't increase spell crit. chance at all.
    So it's current description seems to be just completely wrong.

    Guess you are right that it still gives the old 2 MCL increase.
    but again I have never done tests against effects log and current equipment.

    Again, oh nooo @.@


    that's a bummer. I hope it's a display error
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    Huh, I always thought different values stacked. :/
    They do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    Are we sure it's 2 MCL and not 2 CL? Because CL would work only on Burst and Breath while MCL would work on every Savant spell. I'd rather it to be MCL of course but I REALLY don't wanna lose my necro belt..took me ages to farm.
    The old description (not on the ring, but the one from the set that shows up in the buff bar) used to say MCL. I also trust docs word.


    Quote Originally Posted by SealedInSong View Post
    Oh nooo @.@

    I thouhgt this was correct this whole time but never tested:
    http://ddowiki.com/page/Energy_Absorption
    We tested stacking absorption between U21 and U22, back when Fire Peaks had those nasty meteors that dealt huge amounts of fire damage.
    Our goal was to get more people to survive that phase, especially the ones without improved evasion.
    I also thought all kinds of different values stacked before our test, but that showed not to be the case.

    Our test was pretty simple - PvP pit and people hitting with Strike Down from divine crusader, which did a static 500 fire damage.
    I think strike down currently does light damage though, so at the moment you would have to look for another way to test - Volcanos Edge for Fire, Lightning Mace for Lightning, Anvil of Thunder for Sonic should all do the trick since they do static 100 damage on non vorpals.

    Basically all kind of different things do stack - arcane past lives, spells (fire shield), Destiny stuff (Block energy from Sentinel).
    When it comes to equipment though, only 1 absorption item works. And like I said sometimes it was even the item with the lower value, but I couldn't make much sense of when that happens.
    However, absorption on weapons did stack with absorption on equipment (so greensteel sticks are still OK in that regard).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    The old description (not on the ring, but the one from the set that shows up in the buff bar) used to say MCL. I also trust docs word.
    We both know that descriptions say a lot of things.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    We tested stacking absorption between U21 and U22, back when Fire Peaks had those nasty meteors that dealt huge amounts of fire damage.
    Our goal was to get more people to survive that phase, especially the ones without improved evasion.
    I also thought all kinds of different values stacked before our test, but that showed not to be the case.

    Our test was pretty simple - PvP pit and people hitting with Strike Down from divine crusader, which did a static 500 fire damage.
    I think strike down currently does light damage though, so at the moment you would have to look for another way to test - Volcanos Edge for Fire, Lightning Mace for Lightning, Anvil of Thunder for Sonic should all do the trick since they do static 100 damage on non vorpals.

    Basically all kind of different things do stack - arcane past lives, spells (fire shield), Destiny stuff (Block energy from Sentinel).
    When it comes to equipment though, only 1 absorption item works. And like I said sometimes it was even the item with the lower value, but I couldn't make much sense of when that happens.
    However, absorption on weapons did stack with absorption on equipment (so greensteel sticks are still OK in that regard).
    Yay more broken stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    We both know that descriptions say a lot of things.
    lol, indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
    Yay more broken stuff
    Well, our data is already a year old by now, so I'd be happy to see some newer tests (I know we are all lazy).
    I guess that article from the wiki is even older though.
    I know different values used to stack, so I was just as surprised when we actually tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    lol, indeed.


    Well, our data is already a year old by now, so I'd be happy to see some newer tests (I know we are all lazy).
    I guess that article from the wiki is even older though.
    I know different values used to stack, so I was just as surprised when we actually tested.
    It's actually sad that you even had to test it in the first place. In this game, we would need to test every single mechanic at least 3 times per year to make sure that they didn't break it in some update.
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