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    Quote Originally Posted by ferd View Post


    Really people, use the code, it's free.
    Bashing Turbine for every little thing is becoming tiresome.
    Bashing Turbine for doing something in honor of the victims of a horrible act of cowardice is wrong on so many levels.
    Bashing people who are bashing a company for using the deaths of several people to gain popularity is tiresome.
    I know we are talking about a country where you win elections by shouting "9/11 was bad" louder, and I know its not the first time or the first company to do this but its still bad.
    And as I said, if they wanted to do something good, they could have just offered part of their income for charity.
    Put it on their site where everyone can see it and no one would complain. But no, they had to bring this into the game.
    Also to be fair Ill post some of the other things I don't want to be reminded while playing this game:
    9/11.
    Jewish holocaust.
    Starving Ethiopian children.
    People died under communist oppression.
    People who simply died anywhere for any reason.
    Me dying for any reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akkorissirocco View Post
    Bashing people who are bashing a company for using the deaths of several people to gain popularity is tiresome.
    I know we are talking about a country where you win elections by shouting "9/11 was bad" louder, and I know its not the first time or the first company to do this but its still bad.
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    I know exactly what you are saying and to be honest all this jockeying and positioning to see who can be the most sympathetic of a situation to gain public attention is annoying. I get that and I hate that people do it and worse that people fall for it.

    However I didn't really get the feeling that Turbine was doing that with this. Else they would have made a larger statement and/or disclosed the amount to say "Look at what I did".

    I'm from Boston and I'm proud of the fact. I don't think that being from here makes me braver or stronger or different or anything more than anyone else from anywhere else though news casters and politicians love to tout it as a catch line or byline. Frankly it annoys me the pandering that goes on. This whole thing sucked. If it happened anywhere else in the country or world (as it does happen) then people would react similarly and I'm excited for the news coverage and media spotlight to be done with us.

    And I don['t want a constant reminder of the tragedy. However usually for a short time after something like this people mourn, people want to remember those lost and those that suffered and honor them. It's often why people where black armbands after someone passes away. Turbine is located in Boston and it is very possible members of their staff or friends/family of the staff were affected.

    I honestly thought it was a genuine gesture by Turbine to let people wear a black arm band for a bit and remember. A shrine would be a bad idea as pointed out because you want to move on.

    As you (not the person I quoted but "you" plural) sit there and whine or respond to my reply with some form of justification just think of what happened and how it affected others. If at the end of it all you still feel you were cheated out of 100 turbine points, that turbine wronged you in some way worth really complaining about or that you feel you need personal credit for the 100 turbine points you "donated" then allow me to give you a giant I hope that makes you feel better through all of this and eases your suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    Sometimes the best thing to do is to ramp up the pressure and keep it up on Turbine. I would recommend that you and others expand this out to the media; spefically, point this practice out to the gaming magazines and other interested parties in the press.
    What would be a reasonable number of how money ribbons they sell? Couple thousand if they are lucky. Considering the size of DDO and how much graphics designers, software engineers and even forum moderators cost it is unlikely One Fund would have seen a cent, a couple hundred bucks at best, if they used proceeds/profits instead.

    Corporate level donations are usually what? Tens or even a couple hundred grand.

    Your breaking news story would then be what? A corporation had the audacity of making a corporate level donation when they could have gotten away with just throwing a couple hundred bucks in the fund for publicity?

    Sorry, but all I am seeing is a lot of nerdrage about something where the likely outcome is more money going towards a charity than otherwise would. So, they did not only look out for themselves and made their public image and minimizing actual costs their only priority, and you want them punished for it by national media? You for real?

    I could understand a moral outrage if (after putting ribbons in the store) they go back on their word and do not make a donation or if what they call a corporate level donation turns out to be a grand or less. However, I find it all kinds of disgusting to pre-emptively attack someone without having any of those facts just because they dared get involved in a charitable event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    What would be a reasonable number of how money ribbons they sell? Couple thousand if they are lucky. Considering the size of DDO and how much graphics designers, software engineers and even forum moderators cost it is unlikely One Fund would have seen a cent, a couple hundred bucks at best, if they used proceeds/profits instead.

    Corporate level donations are usually what? Tens or even a couple hundred grand.

    Your breaking news story would then be what? A corporation had the audacity of making a corporate level donation when they could have gotten away with just throwing a couple hundred bucks in the fund for publicity?

    Sorry, but all I am seeing is a lot of nerdrage about something where the likely outcome is more money going towards a charity than otherwise would. So, they did not only look out for themselves and made their public image and minimizing actual costs their only priority, and you want them punished for it by national media? You for real?

    I could understand a moral outrage if (after putting ribbons in the store) they go back on their word and do not make a donation or if what they call a corporate level donation turns out to be a grand or less. However, I find it all kinds of disgusting to pre-emptively attack someone without having any of those facts just because they dared get involved in a charitable event.
    The problem imo is not what they're doing but how they worded things and put them across to the players. Turbines intentions I believe are good with this, they just phrased and communicated things so poorly that it seems shady. It's an unfortunate byproduct of the fact that within 24 hours of the bombing there were false charities on the internet scamming people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffhanna View Post
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    And why?


    Discussion is never a bad thing - so long as it remains within the bounds of the forums' rules. So far, nothing in this thread has been outside those bounds. I might not agree with everything said - but I see no reason for them not to say it. On either side of the debate, the opinions are valid and their arguments compelling to read.



    I see no reason to stop, or for the thread to be locked as ferd expressed on the other page. So long as the discussion can remain reasonably civil, then I say keep it going for as long as there is interest in doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffhanna View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    The problem imo is not what they're doing but how they worded things and put them across to the players. Turbines intentions I believe are good with this, they just phrased and communicated things so poorly that it seems shady. It's an unfortunate byproduct of the fact that within 24 hours of the bombing there were false charities on the internet scamming people.
    The problem with that Charononus is that Turbine could come out and explain in 100% understandable English what the intent, goal, and everything else that went into this honorable thing to do is and yet, that statement would be picked apart word by word to find the conspiacy, hidden meaning, or why one word is placed here or there.

    As these very forums have shown time and again they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    This community just wants to ***** and moan about everything Turbine does, good or bad.

    It is the Community that is destroying this game.

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    Default Not enough points?

    Okay, so admittedly, I only have 104 TP on the account.


    I just tried to get 3 ribbons on my Gland main, just to have for in the future when they are given buffs and stats on the 1 year anniversary (that I am sure will be bugged)

    I happily click the drop down on quantity, enter 3 in the box, and get a flag saying I haven't enough points.

    No problem, I happily enter the word 'boston' in the box that asks for a coupon code.


    What I get next is actually not a surprise, more like an unexpected expectation.

    'You do not have enough points to make this purchase.Please click the "REMOVE COUPON" button to try another coupon, or the ADD POINTS" button to purchase additional points'

    That is verbatim.

    Oh, I know, I can just buy one at a time. For free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    This community just wants to ***** and moan about everything Turbine does, good or bad.

    It is the Community that is destroying this game.
    I respectfully disagree
    I think the community is what has kept this game strong for so long.


    And when Turbine does something well - the love and admiration is there. Look at the reaction to the first Collectables overhaul. That thing was almost unanimously praised and good-will heaped on top of it. When Turbine changed it, however...


    Yes, there will always be some who will react with spite and bile to any and every thing. The opposite is also true, there are some who will praise and lavish laurels on every and any thing. But, the mood of the folks inbetween is what is important, and what I think Turbine should pay better attention to. When the large sentiment of the community is for or against something... that isn't the polarizing elements having their way. It's just regular people who are reacting to something in an honest way.


    To say that the overall community is destroying the game is patently absurd. We simply don't have that sort of influence on the game - and if the general sentiment of the community is positive or negative, then that's a litmus test on how the game is being run and managed. We simply cannot ruin the game. Turbine does not take enough stock in our opinions for us to be able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferd View Post


    Really people, use the code, it's free.
    Bashing Turbine for every little thing is becoming tiresome.
    Bashing Turbine for doing something in honor of the victims of a horrible act of cowardice is wrong on so many levels.
    You miss the point.

    Ok, put it this way.

    If I set up a booth for, say, the Army Emergency Relief and was giving out ribbons and materials all would agree I was doing good.

    If I had a box that seemed like it was for "donations" and you, personally, put money in there and later saw me taking that money, your money intended for the AER, out of the box to buy a latte, how would you react?

    Would you consider it a small thing?

    When i said "It's Ok, I already made a donation" would that satisfy you?

    Of course not.

    Even if you knew and trusted me you would say "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" and explain to me how upset I would make the vet's and their families if they knew regardless of where my heart was or the overall good of my actions.

    You know you would want your money back so you could support the cause and not my latte.

    You know you would.

    Accepting profit, no matter the size, in honor of these victims is what is wrong on many levels.

    Most aren't saying Turbine's heart isn't in the right place, at least I'm not, but rather that they are making a mistake by setting it up this way.

    This ribbon and memorial are symbolic.
    They took that symbolism that was awesomely good and turned it on it's head by selling for profit.
    I am upset by that, upset that the wording wasn't clear, and that my money went to profit not charity.
    I have a right to be upset.

    This IS NOT bashing Turbine because they nerfed my favorite build or something petty and please don't equate it as such!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    The problem with that Charononus is that Turbine could come out and explain in 100% understandable English what the intent, goal, and everything else that went into this honorable thing to do is and yet, that statement would be picked apart word by word to find the conspiacy, hidden meaning, or why one word is placed here or there.As these very forums have shown time and again they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.This community just wants to ***** and moan about everything Turbine does, good or bad.It is the Community that is destroying this game.
    What a bunch of nonsense. Oh noes people are so mean to Turbine. Because people are mean to Turbine they can never do anything right...Most posters here have been pretty clear what their issue here is. It is a very simple one. Turbine is selling an item related to a charity and has stated that the profits are not going to the charity. No one at Turbine should have thought that this would have been acceptable. Turbine has nothing stopping them from saying "We are making a donation to this charity for {X} dollars. We are also making an additional donation of one dollar for every 100 TP spent on ribbons in the store."100 TP spent by a player does not equal 1 dollar exactly, but some smaller amount less. If this is some paltry amount of TP that are going to be spent then Turbine has spent some paltry amount of money making up the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    I think the community is what has kept this game strong for so long.


    And when Turbine does something well - the love and admiration is there.

    This. I am the first on the bandwagon to give pats on the back and reap praises on Turbine as a whole when something is done well.


    But frankly, it has been a long time that I have had those feelings.

    The last Time I thought that was when I saw the upgraded Threnelian Warblade with augment slots.

    And yes, I thought they did a very good job with it.

    But that anymore seems to be the exception, not the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    I think the community is what has kept this game strong for so long.


    And when Turbine does something well - the love and admiration is there.

    This. I am the first on the bandwagon to give pats on the back and reap praises on Turbine as a whole when something is done well.


    But frankly, it has been a long time that I have had those feelings.

    The last Time I thought that was when I saw the upgraded Threnelian Warblade with augment slots.

    And yes, I thought they did a very good job with it.

    But that anymore seems to be the exception, not the rule.


    Oops, forgot to log back in before posting this, silly me.

    Edit: I honestly thought the first post did not go through, as I got 'duplicate header received' 3 times in a row while trying to post.

    Apologies for the double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    The problem with that Charononus is that Turbine could come out and explain in 100% understandable English what the intent, goal, and everything else that went into this honorable thing to do is and yet, that statement would be picked apart word by word to find the conspiacy, hidden meaning, or why one word is placed here or there.As these very forums have shown time and again they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.This community just wants to ***** and moan about everything Turbine does, good or bad.It is the Community that is destroying this game.
    This is what happens on the internet.... It gives people who probably have no business to even be alive a voice.... I mean heck, with the removal of natural selection from a good portion of the human race what do you expect? That being said.. I'm sorry Hendrik, often times Turbine deserves exactly what they get... If you can't even face the fact that they totally face plant on communication more often than not.. Well I don't know what to say to you.... I don't see a scam here at all... But I do see Turbine yet gain failing to THINK about how they are going about things, how people will perceive those actions, and then failing to communicate what thier actual intentions are. People, when you have such a wide audience such as this internet forum, one of very diverse thinking, as well as sometimes very questionable sanity, will always complain... No matter how god or bad things are... But that doesn't mean the messenger (Turbine) doesn't screw the pooch on some occasions... Or even if they don't screw the pooch, it appears they did, just because they have no clue how to communicate in a clear and concise manner. Of course in your world Hendrik, Turbine does no wrong I know... But in the real world....

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    Quote Originally Posted by forummuleonly View Post
    Okay, so admittedly, I only have 104 TP on the account.


    <snip for brevity>

    Oh, I know, I can just buy one at a time. For free.

    /shakes head
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    /mutters something not so nice in my head as I chuckle

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    I get what you're saying. To be honest I haven't tried to get more than one at a time. I have 11 characters I use and as I log into each to check mail/ah/play I go in one at a time and grab a ribbon. I can see where it is a pain, especially given the lag and memory leak that is incorporated within each subsequent character change (to me that is the bigger horror here, but we are all focused on a completely irrelevant issue right now)

    So I have no idea if it works, or how it would? Could I buy all 10 and then place them in a shared bank and pull them with each character? If so don't I still have to log into each character to do so? The buying time is actually pretty quick. It's the logging that takes time.

    Also I left part of your quote in on purpose. For free. You also have the option to not get them if you desire. You are not charged either way. Instead Turbine puts something free out there and the downside is you may have to put forth a miniscule amount of effort to attain it. If you'd like I can come over and do it for you. Would that be of some service? Would that meet your service level requirements for something free? I can probably get you a cup of coffee while i"m at it. I'd hate to put you out and all.

    Seriously this thing is ridiculous. I am far from a Turbine sympathetic / Fan boy. I'm tired of bugs and ever increasing lag and these new forums anger me. Who asked for them? Who designed them and tested them? Old threads are missing so who did an integrity check on data migration?

    There have I proved my cynicism? However this is too far. Turbine is making an effort here to do something nice and meaningful that they get no benefit from and everyone is focusing on how they didn't communicate it well enough to them (By the way I understood and didn't have an issue), how Turbine is cheating somebody or something or any other ridiculous complaints people are having about a free (and by the way if you paid the 100 Turbine points I'm sure some portion of that revenue is indirectly related to the donation they make to The One Fund so chin up).

    Boohoo for you. For once I endorse Turbine's customer service ignoring any and all comments in a thread. We can discuss all we want, but we shouldn't drag them down into this for trying to do something nice.

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    I don't understand why an outside event is making into the game. This is a video game played by people around the world. Granted, the bombing happened in the city where Turbine is located. Bad things happen everyday. Make a donation as a corporation and move along with life. I find it distasteful and off-topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    As these very forums have shown time and again they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    This community just wants to ***** and moan about everything Turbine does, good or bad.

    It is the Community that is destroying this game.
    What's destroying this game is the people that are content to shower praise upon turbine no matter what latest cash-grab, broken content or bug-ridden fixes that ignore some of the most pressing issues affecting gameplay that they throw upon us.
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