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    To be fair, I think structuring it as a coupon was the only way they could facilitate a 10-per-account limit. If it was just a 0 TP item, you could in theory buy a billion of them, just to F with the Store servers or something. By using a coupon, they could make it "free" while still keeping a limit on it.

    That being said, yes, it would be a nice gesture if they had set the price as an "optional donation" to a charity...you could either get them free, or donate $1 (100 TP) on top of the donation Turbine's already planning to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noneill View Post
    Haven't they mentioned before the system can't do "free" ? That is why they use the coupon system for the weekly free giveaways.
    Honestly, they setup a coupon to give the thing away, if someone is too stupid to use the free coupon, just call CS and get your money back. Don't make a federal case about where the money is going, they didn't intend to take any in the first place.
    If they actually wanted everyone to have one for free, they could have just placed it into our inventories like they do with a variety of other special items throughout the year like egg race tokens, birthday cakes, pirate hats, etc.

    Putting it in the store with a price attached and they expecting 100% of people to have already referenced an outside source with the coupon code is not a realistic expectation. Not only would there be people that wouldn't know about the code ahead of time, but there is the possibility that people would spend the TP thinking they are contributing to the donation, which they are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    Doesn't matter. It's still money spent on what is a representation of charity. With the implied consent of said charity.

    No matter if it's five cents or five dollars - it's still money spent with implied application to One Fund. If that money, no matter in what amount, is not sent to One Fund (which is named explicitly in the name of the item and it's description) then there is something wrong.

    The amount involved is just splitting hairs and ignoring the foundation of the issue entirely.
    No, it's really not.

    Because, see. If we can't say how much money, how can they send it to charity? The charity can't take a check written out for "however much our customers had to spend to acquire a grand total of 175,800 Turbine Points".

    They can't say they're sending "the proceeds" because no one can know what the proceeds are. It is not knowable. I don't mean it isn't knowable just to us, or because of poor data or logging. I mean that you could have absolute perfect knowledge of every transaction, and still be totally unable to answer the question "what were the proceeds from this sale" in any meaningful way.

    It is not possible to know that. Because it's not defined.

    So all they can do is give a bunch of money to charity. And I suspect the total will be substantially higher than whatever the points cost the customers, but that's subject to debate over definitions, so I don't think it's answerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noneill View Post
    Haven't they mentioned before the system can't do "free" ? That is why they use the coupon system for the weekly free giveaways.
    Honestly, they setup a coupon to give the thing away, if someone is too stupid to use the free coupon, just call CS and get your money back. Don't make a federal case about where the money is going, they didn't intend to take any in the first place.
    Why use the store at all then?

    They have the ability to deposit items directly into characters' inventories. At least doing it that way ensures players don't spend points on them... ...if that's the intention. Players can just choose to either use the item or discard it from their inventory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redspecter23-A View Post
    If they actually wanted everyone to have one for free, they could have just placed it into our inventories like they do with a variety of other special items throughout the year like egg race tokens, birthday cakes, pirate hats, etc.

    Putting it in the store with a price attached and they expecting 100% of people to have already referenced an outside source with the coupon code is not a realistic expectation. Not only would there be people that wouldn't know about the code ahead of time, but there is the possibility that people would spend the TP thinking they are contributing to the donation, which they are not.


    Then the grinches would complain that this thing in their inventory was ruining their immersion of the game world.

    I guess it is a no win situation. As the old saying goes "No good deed goes unpunished".


    I for one, think it is a nice thing they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pflap View Post
    Why use the store at all then?

    They have the ability to deposit items directly into characters' inventories. At least doing it that way ensures players don't spend points on them... ...if that's the intention. Players can just choose to either use the item or discard it from their inventory.
    My guess is that people would complain about that too, and anyway, they probably designed this with the intent to set up a "proceeds go to..." arrangement before they realized that there was no way to define that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    I can honestly say I've not noticed them, nor will I be acquiring them free or not.

    I don't like the idea of real world events breaking what little immersion we have though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noneill View Post
    Then the grinches would complain that this thing in their inventory was ruining their immersion of the game world.

    I guess it is a no win situation. As the old saying goes "No good deed goes unpunished".


    I for one, think it is a nice thing they did.
    If I decided to have a a charity event and had ribbons at the front of the venue with a jar we provided that had the name of the charity printed on it, that some people were putting money in as they took a ribbon, and you later saw me dividing that money up and putting it mine and my partners pockets what would you think?

    Would you extend the benefit of the doubt that we were giving the same or more money?

    Would you realize and understand that the jar never explicitly said that the money goes to charity?

    Or would you think that it was a horrible choice and feel that we should either give the money to the charity or should never have had the jar out at all.

    Can't you see that even if we were doing a good thing that it is BOUND to be taken the wrong way?

    I haven't heard anyone who has said they think that Turbine is actively seeking profit here but more complaints that this is so typically sloppy and clumsy but now we aren't talking about game content BUT A WORTHY CHARITY!

    I agree with you and everyone that thinks it was supposed to be a good thing but I am flabbergasted that they would set it up so the purchase of the ribbon goes to profit.

    It is frankly unbelievable that no one stepped back and thought about that. How it looks. What it means.

    Even if the reality is that the money gained from the sales is small and their donation large.

    ESPECIALLY so!

    Man, why mess up your good work and valiant thoughts and efforts in such a way!

    It's such a silly and irresponsible error it blows my mind.
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    y'know......they coulda just made it cost 0 TP in the ddo store.

    Problem solved.

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    If you don't wear your ribbon, you're a terrorist.

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    I think this sums it all up nicely.

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    I bought $8.00 worth of TP today. that 600 TP and spent them all on ribbons to support the one foundation.

    and you all are now saying that they are not going to get my donation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextrosa View Post
    I bought $8.00 worth of TP today. that 600 TP and spent them all on ribbons to support the one foundation.

    and you all are now saying that they are not going to get my donation?

    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    What am I demanding beyond knowing where my money is going to be sent?

    If it's going to charity - I'm more then cool with that. Happy to donate.
    If it's not... well then I do have a problem.
    I mean no disrespect Mem as you are one of the very few I do have any respect for on these Forums anymore, but where was your 'outrage' over this kinda of thing with the last Charity Drive Turbine had?

    Hell, that one was 'worse' in my view only because the highest donations got **** named after them! People were driven for the 'fame' and not for the cause of the charity.

    How about we cut Turbine a break and give some thought to those that lost lives, limbs, family and injuries suffered while we all are safe, happy and sitting in front of our comnputers hating on a company trying to do a good thing for the community they live in and for the other human beings impacted by this event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pflap View Post
    The amount of money spent is irrelevant.

    I may be wrong and I don't want to speak for Memnir but since Turbine is not an NPO and is actually a for profit company I think it's reasonable to ask where that goes.

    I don't have an opinion either way but a 'for profit organization' making a flat contribution and then creating something that costs money (however infinitesimal) without affecting said contribution seems real shady.

    0.02 ymmv
    They are expecting the player base to cover the contribution they so generously donated to the charity.

    Gotta offset the balance sheet somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextrosa View Post
    I bought $8.00 worth of TP today. that 600 TP and spent them all on ribbons to support the one foundation.

    and you all are now saying that they are not going to get my donation?
    They are getting money from Turbine. The amount of money they get is not necessarily directly tied to how much you spent on ribbons. So I would say the answer is not really "yes" or "no".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial_Soup View Post
    y'know......they coulda just made it cost 0 TP in the ddo store.

    Problem solved.
    Except that, so far as we know, they can't -- the store doesn't have the ability to handle items with a 0 TP base cost.

    Which is why they have a coupon code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextrosa View Post
    I bought $8.00 worth of TP today. that 600 TP and spent them all on ribbons to support the one foundation.

    and you all are now saying that they are not going to get my donation?
    Correct, as mentioned by Cardovan in the thread he announced the items.

    There is a guy with an LFM up on Argo warning people, apparently he is getting LOTS of hate from people, but also a number of people mad that they were taken in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I mean no disrespect Mem as you are one of the very few I do have any respect for on these Forums anymore, but where was your 'outrage' over this kinda of thing with the last Charity Drive Turbine had?
    What outrage?

    I'm just asking where the money is going to go? That's it. I haven't done anything more then dare to ask a question, and one that I think is a legitimate one at that.


    As for the other charity - I tuned that one out and didn't look at it closely for two reasons. One, I didn't have any money to donate, so I ignored it. And two, there was zero in-game impact. This one has an ugly and annoying floating Ribbon that bugs me.

    I'm sorry if my lack of questioning at that time somehow has invalidated me from questions at this time.


    For me, the root issue to this whole thread is that I hate that damned ribbon. The money question was more of an afterthought - and yet seems to have struck the bigger nerve. Rightly so... but lordy I hate that ribbon.
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    Great Thread Memnir. Sometimes the best thing to do is to ramp up the pressure and keep it up on Turbine. I would recommend that you and others expand this out to the media; spefically, point this practice out to the gaming magazines and other interested parties in the press. Companies should not profit off others misery so hit Turbine up in the court of public opinion.

    All the money that Turbine gets for these ribbons should go to charity without question. Too bad that forum activity is probably at its lowest in years due to the forums change so threads are all getting less activity.
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