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    Default The Official Druid Enhancements Discussion Thread!

    Druid Enhancements are available on Lamannia this weekend.

    Please share your thoughts on the Druid Enhancement Trees!
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    Nature's Warrior

    Core Enhancements:
    Nature's Warrior
    0 AP
    +1 HP for each point spent in tree.

    Instinctive Fighting (Core enhancements 2-4)
    2AP
    +1d6 Sneak Attack for Wolves, +5 PRR for Bears

    Natural Adept (Capstone)
    2AP
    Cooldowns go from 2.5x to 1.5x. +2d6 Sa for Wolves. +10 PRR for Bears


    Tier 1:
    Extra Wild Empathy (3 ranks)
    1AP
    +[1/2/3] Wild Empathy Use per rest. +[1/2/3] Improved Wild Empathy Use per rest.

    Aggravate (3 Ranks)
    1AP
    Intimidate gives you DR [2/-|4/-|6/-]

    Shifting Rake (3 ranks)
    Bluff causes [-2/-4/-6] AC to critter.

    Bestial Nature (3 ranks)
    1AP
    Cooldown 1 second
    [+1/+2/+3] Insight bonus to Fortitude and Reflex saves with a [-1/-2/-3] penalty to Will Saves.

    Athletic (3 ranks)
    [+1/+2/+3] balance, Jump, Swim, Tumble.
    [ 0/0/ +1] Wild Empathy Use


    Tier 2:
    Flight (3 Ranks)
    1 AP
    1:30 cool down
    +10% dodge for [12/24/36] seconds. Costs 1 Wild Empathy.

    Vengeful Hunter (3 ranks)
    1AP
    Your Critical hits and a 5% chance of being hit gives a 20 second buff that gives +2 critical damage (before multipliers.)
    This can stack [1/2/3] times.

    Hide of the Crocodile (3 ranks)
    1AP
    5Min Cooldown
    Activating this ability reduces the damage you take from physical and acid damage by [40%/50%/60%]

    Blood Moon Frenzy (3 Ranks)
    1AP
    Killing a critter gives your Pets, Summons, Hirelings a [20%/30%/40%] movement speed buff, and a [10%/15%/20%] attack speed buff for 15 seconds. Weaker critters are less likely blah blah blah.

    Action Boost: Double Strike (3 ranks)
    1AP
    Gives a [+10%/+20%/+30%] action boost to double strike for 20 seconds.


    Tier 3:
    Fight (3 Ranks)
    1AP
    [+1/+2/+3] base melee damage while in a wolf or bear form.

    Reaving Roar (3 ranks)
    1 AP
    Beast Stance: Killing Blows trigger a sonic blast that does [5/7/9]d6 damage and gives +[2/4/6]% competence bonus to threat generation for 10 seconds. :'(

    Fatal Harrier (3 ranks)
    1AP
    Beast Stance: Killing an enemy gives a +5% attack speed increase for 8 seconds. This stacks [1/3/5] times.

    Improved Dodge (3 Ranks)
    1AP. requires Dodge feat
    +[1/?/?] dodge in wolf or bear forms.

    Str or Wis
    2AP


    Tier 4:
    Essence of the Shrike (2 ranks)
    2AP
    Wolfie critical hits give [10/20] temporary SP for 8 seconds.

    Essence of the Turtle (2 ranks)
    2AP
    getting hit in bear form has a 5% chance of giving [10/20] temporary SP for 8 seconds.

    Four Good Legs (1 rank)
    2AP
    Beast Stance: Most knockdown effects don't knock you down. Must be in Lupine or Ursine forms.

    Str or Wis
    2AP


    Tier 5:
    Alpha Strike (3 Ranks)
    2AP
    AoE Melee attack dealing +3[W] damage. Elementals, Animals, Vermin, Plants, Magical Beasts take an extra +3d6 slashing damage. Must be lupine or ursine form.

    Wild Healing (3 ranks)
    1AP
    on hit, 5% chance of [10/?/?] temp hp and [10%/?/?] morale bonus to healing amp.

    Celerity (3 ranks)
    1AP
    cooldown 15 seconds
    Activating this ability gives you a [30%/?/?] enhancement bonus to double strike for [15/?/?] seconds.


    Season's Herald
    Core Enhancements:
    Seasoned
    0AP
    +1 USP per point in tree. you get the Summer/Winter cycle. +5 SP for Light, Fire, Positive, Sonic during Summer. +5 SP for Cold, Water, Acid, Electric, Lightning during winter. Call these groups "Seasonal"... +5 SP to the seasonals for each Core enhancement you have in the tree; up to +30.

    Time
    String Table Error
    +1 caster level to spells in season.

    Tide
    +1 max caster level to spells in season.

    Sunburst
    Sunburst SLA. 2 minute cool down. 20 SP. 6d6 light damage and blinds, or 1d3+3 damage to oozes and undead

    Storm of Vengeance
    SLA, 2 min cooldown, 20 SP.

    Heirophant
    +2 Wis, each time the season changes next spell automatically crits and costs half as much SP. +1 DC and MCL to Conjuration and Transmutation spells.


    Tier 1:
    Wand Heightening (3 Ranks)
    1AP
    Wand and Scroll Mastery costs an extra [1/2/3] points. oh, and something about wand DCs that no one cares about.

    Season's Greeting (Multiple Selector) (3 Ranks_
    1AP
    cooldown: [22minutes 30 seconds/15m/7.5m]
    Pick just one season to speed up to, instead of either like on Live.

    Beguile (3 ranks)
    1AP
    whenever you attack or cast on a critter. 50% chance to beguile them [1/0-2/0-3] times for [3/0-6/0-9] seconds: -2% attack speed, -2 spell power. This can stack up to 25 times.

    Wax and Wane:
    2AP
    +1% critical chance to seasonal spells.

    Negotiator (3 Ranks)
    1 AP
    +[1/2/3] Bluff, Diplo, Perform, Haggle
    +[0/0/5] Universal Spell power.



    Tier 2:
    Wand and Scroll Mastery (3 ranks)
    2AP
    +[25/50/75]% effectiveness to your wands, scrolls, and other items that cast spells.

    Efficient Metamagic Leeloodallasmultiselector (3 ranks)
    2AP
    Choice of: Empower [2/4/6], Maximize [3/6/9], Enlarge [1/2/4], Quicken [1/2/4] fewer SP per cast.

    Produce Flame (3 ranks)
    2AP
    SLA costs [6/5/3] SP per cast.

    Wax and Wane
    2AP
    +1% crit chance to seasonal spells.

    Action Boost: Spell power (3 ranks)
    1AP
    +[10/20/30] action boost to USP for 20 seconds.


    Tier 3:
    Natures Warden (3 ranks)
    1 AP
    Aberrations and Undead take an additional [1/2/4]d6 bane damage from your offensive spells.

    Eff Metamageic: Heighten (2 Ranks)
    2 AP
    Heightened spells cost [1/2] sp less per level heightened.

    Creeping Cold (3 Ranks)
    2AP
    SLA costs [6/5/3] SP per cast.

    Wax and Wane
    2AP
    +1% crit chance to Seasonal spells.

    Wis
    2AP


    Tier 4:
    Spring Resurgence (3 ranks)
    1 AP
    costs [8/6/4] SP. When allied target falls below 50% HP, 20d6 healing to everyone around him, and +2 primal bonus to hit.

    Autumnal Susurrus (3 ranks)
    1AP
    Acid, Negative, and Electric spells have a [10/20/40]% chance to apply shaken to target.

    Call Lightning (3 ranks)
    2 AP.
    SLA costs [10/8/6] SP.

    Wax and Wane:
    2AP
    +1% crit chance to Seasonal Spells.

    Wis
    2AP


    Tier 5:
    Crown of Summer
    2AP
    1 SP. 15% healing amp and 2d6 light weapon imbue to one target. (like FvS champion)

    Tide
    2AP
    +1 MCL to seasonal spells.

    Word of Balance (3 Ranks)
    Cool down: 1m30s.
    SLA costs [15/?/?]

    Time
    2AP
    +1 caster level to seasonal spells.

    Winter's Heart
    2AP
    cold spells have 5% chance to trigger a snowball swarm centered on you for 1d10+30 cold damage.
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    Nature's Warrior:
    So reaving roar has been nerfed, from 13d6 to a max of 9d6. Eh... the ability is pretty OP on Live at lower levels, but they should at least let it go to the 13d6 at the highest tiers, since 13d6 isn't all that much damage in high levels.

    My overall impression on this tree however is quite favorable. Not too much changed negatively, and has the addition of a few new fun things.

    Season's Herald:
    I'm very disappointed in this tree. It largely feels like an across the board nerf. Here are some of the reasons:
    1) Pluses to caster levels are largely bugged, and many of these enhancements provide those bonuses.

    2) The capstone: Your season switches once every 5 minutes... So once every 5 minutes you get an autocrit? Big-whoop-tee-do.

    3) You can only pick one season to switch to rather than 2 like it is on live. However, it is kinda nice that you can speed this up to a 7.5 minute cooldown so that means you only have to run in your "off-season" for 2.5 minutes before you can switch back.

    4) Negotiator: Perform?? Why? I don't think druids do sonic damage.

    5) Produce flame is a bad spell. Hard to use and target mobs. I would never take it as an SLA.

    6) Only able to get +3% crit chance, on live you can get this much much higher.

    7) Compared to other trees, the tier 5's are really weak. You have the increased caster level thing, which is largely broken, you have crown of summer, which is actually fairly decent, but more of a tier 4 thing IMO, and you have winter's heart, which hardly ever does anything.

    8) Spring resurgence now costs SP, and it was free on Live. It is a powerful ability at low levels but isn't too useful at higher ones. Therefore the healing ability should scale also or this is just a straight out nerf.

    I see two things I like: creeping cold and storm of vengeance as SLA's.
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    level requirements would be helpful. Is Reaving Roar Bear only?
    You guys filibustering a new mode have already succeeded in scaring the Dev's into not doing it the right way and re-scaling the existing settings, why in the world are you still filibustering? Drunk on your success? Schadenfreude? Spitefulness?

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    If you put any point into Seasonal, you get the cycle... So it's like a huge part of that prestige has just been given to the other tree. I really don't like that you have to pick a season to fast forward to now. There are times on Live when you lose the cycle when you die or log in and need to kickstart it. Losing half your kickstarts with an even longer cool down duration kinda stinks. (EDIT: Just noticed it's 3 Ranks.... Disregard. )

    I don't like the Points in Tree system. It really devalues a lot of choices. I am currently playing a human druid on Live, and "no brainers" have become skill traps... On Live, Of course I want Healing Amp enhancements. On Lamma, you take the 1st one for 2 AP, but after that: do you put 10 AP into Human to get a net 11% healing amp, or just throw 10 AP anywhere in Season's Herald and get 10% healing and 10% damage from the boost to USP? ... Duh.

    Yea, kinda sad that Reaving Roar got nerfed. Also sad that it doesn't scale. I'd rather see it do something like 2d[4/6/8] per druid level than the [5/7/9]d6. I guess that might be a pain to code because the roar currently isn't tied to you (to stop domino effects) so having it based off your stats might be a pain to link without linking... if ya know what I mean.

    Wand Heightening really just needs to become part of Mastery, and stop being a tax. The way wands work in the game is that the only class that might even consider using one is a pure Artificer with the AT Capstone, and even then the way the capstone works, Artificer Knowledge and the heightening enhancement are just trampled by the capstone's ability. So it's useless for even them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronClan View Post
    level requirements would be helpful. Is Reaving Roar Bear only?
    No it works in any form,

    Nice job on the caster druid prc btw turbine, finally some sla's

    couple things though

    crown of summer is now friend only instead of friend, self wai?

    Needs some more icons for the abilities and some text is dnt tbd

    nature's warrior needs healing spwr added to it so that wolves and bears can still get their devotion up higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronClan View Post
    level requirements would be helpful. Is Reaving Roar Bear only?
    The way the system works, Tier 1 requires class level 1. Tier 2 needs class level 2, Tier 3 needs 3, 4 needs 4, and 5 needs 12...

    That's consistent across all trees.


    Reaving roar works in any form.

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    The SLAs are too expensive. 2AP each, 3 ranks per, and being linked to the one below it... If you want Rank 3 Word of Balance, it'll cost you 24 AP total for just that one SLA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Systern View Post
    The way the system works, Tier 1 requires class level 1. Tier 2 needs class level 2, Tier 3 needs 3, 4 needs 4, and 5 needs 12...

    That's consistent across all trees.


    Reaving roar works in any form.
    Cool thanks for the info, just wanted to see if there were any differences from last weeks. I'm not expecting them to keep the low level requirements for long.
    You guys filibustering a new mode have already succeeded in scaring the Dev's into not doing it the right way and re-scaling the existing settings, why in the world are you still filibustering? Drunk on your success? Schadenfreude? Spitefulness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronClan View Post
    level requirements would be helpful. Is Reaving Roar Bear only?
    no, reaving roar was never bear only. would've gotten alot of complaints if they changed that. XD but no they didnt so its good. its a beastial stance like fatal harrier so you cant have both of those active, same as live.not sure about the T5 ability wild healing, didnt test that, believe it was bear only on live, but it doesnt say (the t5 celerity mentions its wolf only, same as live)

    honestly, Im abit sad about the way they did the druid prestiges. they live forms are only t1, and yet they tried and force it all into a prestige tree, without any growth. (herald got some SLA's, but the warrior didnt get much of anything)

    alpha strike looked nice at first, 10w +10d6 for specific creatures, till I seen the costs 1 wild empathy, (my druid dumped cha... it had enough to worry about with wis, con, and str. so at max he has 6 of those (thats with the +3 from the enhanmcents requirements). plus it was broken and only doing half of my base damage rather then 10w.

    plus the prereqs for it all suck (+3dmg for 6 AP for a t3? come on, it should've been atleast a +.5w per tier if not 1w (since its bear/wolf only thus being unarmed, wouldnt have been that powerful), extra 3 wild empathy, nice but having it as an prereq sucks since it forces you to take it to t3 in order to get the higher teirs up to t3, 10% dodge for 36 sec isnt bad, but costing a wild empathy limits its usefulness, it should be a permament buff if it costs something.

    that plus the fact that warriors dont get ANY spell power kinda sucks. all druids should get some, even if its only .5 per pt in warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violith View Post
    that plus the fact that warriors dont get ANY spell power kinda sucks. all druids should get some, even if its only .5 per pt in warrior.
    Agreed, that is a major nerf.

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    Druid spell power (like sorcerer spell power) is incorrect. I spent 80 points in the herald tree, which should give me 80 universal spell power. I have 42.

    Sent a bug report with an image.

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    So both Reavers Roar and Fatal Harrier are getting nerfed compared to on live?

    These two stances were probably a couple of the best things about melee Druids on live at present and as mentioned yeah Reavers Roar was powerful at low levels but it didn't scale and became very so/so at higher levels.

    Nerfing Fatal Harrier to 8 seconds is just ridiculous, this is now another dead enhancement, it was an awesome ability on live that although you couldn't get it going all the time when you had it maxed it could be fun and allowed for people to actually make some varied builds based around the enhancement, to half the length of the buff is crazy....
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    Lots of icon and text bugs. If you want reports on all them, post something. Otherwise, I'll wait until at least the really obvious ones are dealt with.

    Why do sun burst and word of balance have such long cooldowns? 120s and 90s seems excessive. Word of balance is a strong single target move with no save, but it does allow SR. I was able to deal about ~1k with it, using no gear, but lots of enhancements. I'd guess more geared you'd get to at least 1.5k, maybe 2k on an extreme alignment target. A 20s-30s cooldown would seem more reasonable than 90s.

    Sunburst is quite weak as an attack spell. No need for a 120s cooldown there. The 120s on Storm of Vengeance makes more sense, given the long cooldown on the spell and its persistent nature and overall power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Systern View Post
    The SLAs are too expensive. 2AP each, 3 ranks per, and being linked to the one below it... If you want Rank 3 Word of Balance, it'll cost you 24 AP total for just that one SLA.
    I don't agree. You don't just get that one SLA for 24 AP you get 4, which is 4 more than druids have now. And all 4 of them are good DPS. Well worth 24AP. Especially when you consider that the 24 AP is also being added to your Universal Spell power.

    I really like the Uni spell power per point because to me it means every single point I spend in the tree is being put to use, regardless of what I am spending it on.

    Keep in mind I am speaking purely from a caster druid perspective. I do not melee at all.

    Another thing I think is a good addition for caster druids are the wand and scroll mastery. Something which I felt we were missing. Heal scrolls currently on live are useless for me. Although, on Lam right now the wand and scroll mastery is not working on heal scrolls. But I hope this is a bug and not intended. If intended then this is bad.

    Overall I like the way it has been done. Melee druids can specialise and so can casters. We are no longer forced to live with any crossover if we don't want to. But for the people who like to be "jack of all trades", they can take some of each tree/style. No you wont be as powerful as the specialists but that is the price you pay for melee and spells rather than one or the other.

    As a pure caster, I don't see anything usefull in natures warrior for me. That does mean I will end up with no +to my HP but I guess I am a caster and casters in general have a reduced HP compared to other classes so it brings be in line with other caster classes. So I like that aswell.

    Overall I am very happy. The only thing I don't like is the winters heart ability. But its the same as on live. I am a ranged caster so an ability trigger spell that centres on me is pointless. It is better suited to a melee, but alas it is a T5 in the caster tree. I think this makes it even more useless than it currently is on live. Not sure how many jacks will take that T5 as they will be limited in selection already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoasterHops View Post
    So both Reavers Roar and Fatal Harrier are getting nerfed compared to on live?

    These two stances were probably a couple of the best things about melee Druids on live at present and as mentioned yeah Reavers Roar was powerful at low levels but it didn't scale and became very so/so at higher levels.

    Nerfing Fatal Harrier to 8 seconds is just ridiculous, this is now another dead enhancement, it was an awesome ability on live that although you couldn't get it going all the time when you had it maxed it could be fun and allowed for people to actually make some varied builds based around the enhancement, to half the length of the buff is crazy....
    Yup, a 50% cut to Fatal Harrier and a harsh cut to reavers roar, without really providing anything too interesting to mitigate the blow.
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    anyone else have issues taking Natural Adept? Have 40+ points in Nature's Warrior and still was unable to take the capstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon131313 View Post
    anyone else have issues taking Natural Adept? Have 40+ points in Nature's Warrior and still was unable to take the capstone.

    I bug reported this already with several others, its untrainable atm. My druid is pure druid, had 78 points in tree just to make sure it was not that, still could not get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Systern View Post
    The way the system works, Tier 1 requires class level 1. Tier 2 needs class level 2, Tier 3 needs 3, 4 needs 4, and 5 needs 12...
    Tier 5 follows the pattern and only requires 5 class levels.
    Tier 5 breaks the pattern and requires 12 character levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark2422 View Post
    I don't agree. You don't just get that one SLA for 24 AP you get 4, which is 4 more than druids have now. And all 4 of them are good DPS. Well worth 24AP. Especially when you consider that the 24 AP is also being added to your Universal Spell power.

    I really like the Uni spell power per point because to me it means every single point I spend in the tree is being put to use, regardless of what I am spending it on.

    Keep in mind I am speaking purely from a caster druid perspective. I do not melee at all.

    Another thing I think is a good addition for caster druids are the wand and scroll mastery. Something which I felt we were missing. Heal scrolls currently on live are useless for me. Although, on Lam right now the wand and scroll mastery is not working on heal scrolls. But I hope this is a bug and not intended. If intended then this is bad.

    Overall I like the way it has been done. Melee druids can specialise and so can casters. We are no longer forced to live with any crossover if we don't want to. But for the people who like to be "jack of all trades", they can take some of each tree/style. No you wont be as powerful as the specialists but that is the price you pay for melee and spells rather than one or the other.

    As a pure caster, I don't see anything usefull in natures warrior for me. That does mean I will end up with no +to my HP but I guess I am a caster and casters in general have a reduced HP compared to other classes so it brings be in line with other caster classes. So I like that aswell.

    Overall I am very happy. The only thing I don't like is the winters heart ability. But its the same as on live. I am a ranged caster so an ability trigger spell that centres on me is pointless. It is better suited to a melee, but alas it is a T5 in the caster tree. I think this makes it even more useless than it currently is on live. Not sure how many jacks will take that T5 as they will be limited in selection already.

    I especially hate that you are further being forced to min/max. the way my character is on live, and how I enjoy playing, is basically running around as a Herald in Fire ele form, train a bunch of critters, earthquake, burning hamsterball of doom, and cleave cleave cleave cleave... I miss my toughness enhancements. I'm forced to consider if every point I don't put into herald will make me survive long enough to live through the lessened damage (generally, no). I'm positioning myself to take Overwhelming Critical (not 24 yet)...

    There is no more synergy. Human Improved Recovery 2&3 is giving up 10% spell damage and outgoing healing for 11 or 12% incoming healing. Every point in Nature's is a point not in Herald. You are X Powerful, and how you want to divide that X is up to you.

    I loved my druid because it was a pure hybrid. That's been taken away. I no longer have the versatility to choose the LD Destiny or Primal if the party and whim call for it.

    I also don't like Winter's heart now, because now you won't have the HP and PRR to stand there and survive the attacks as the center of attention.

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