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    My thought was making a FvS/sorc multiclass. First off, I don't want to hear any, "oh, this is a bad idea. Go pure." Any thoughts on what my split should be and what spells I should take?

    What I'm thinking is 12/8 FvS/Sorc taking AoV II. What are ya'll's?

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    Fleshie or Warforged?

    What do you hope to gain through this multiclassing?

    Are you planning on using spells that don't depend on caster level?
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    First I'm not going to say "this is a bad idea", but it is one that requires a bit more understanding of your goals for the character.

    Reasons:
    You only mention using AoVII, with the Sorcerer levels was the plan to also include Tier I of a Savant such as Fire to capitalize on the AoV Fire benefits?

    While both utilize Charisma, the FvS only uses this for Spell Points needing wisdom for save DCs. While possible to create a FvS with little wisdom it does niche the character as a "Light" caster.

    Taking both Divine and Arcane classes means that spells from those Classes will always use the Caster Level Check formula for Wands/Scrolls instead of UMD. This could be a good thing if UMD is not something that could be added to the build.

    12 Levels of FvS your highest spell level will be 6th of which you will get a single spell - Will Heal be that spell or something else

    8 Levels of Sorcerer your highest spell level will be 4th of which you will get a single spell - Which were you thinking - Wall of Fire?

    Potentially this build will have 1250 Base Spell points vs 1650 Base Spell points of going Pure Sorcerer/FvS. The reason for that is that Sorcerer/FvS gain a larger bonus to Spell point base at higher levels than they do at lower ones. This 400 SP would be difficult to make up.

    The detractors of this build are:
    1) Loss of Spell penetration - Divine level 12 and Arcane Level 8
    2) Loss of Base Spell Points
    3) 1 Level 6 Divine Spell and 1 Level 4 Arcane Spell
    4) The only enhancement that complements each other is Sorcerer's Fire Enhancements
    5) The Divine Fire Spells are reflex based, sorcerer fire spells are a mix of save and no save fire spells the highest of which is level 4. These spells also have a Level CAP on damage based on Caster Level.
    6) Neither class has bonus customizable feats (FvS feats are limited by the faith)

    Now if the goal was Shiradi Champion with the use of multiple low level/cost spells there is some potential.

    To know what split would work for you would require more insight on your goal.
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    This is hurting my brain!!!

    As said several times, what do you want to accomplish? WF LoB build that can heal and repair in your own firewalls? I can see some potential as a solo build, but would be VERY difficult to accomplish.

    Need moar info!

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    One specific problem with this particular combo: you can't take both AoV and a Savant, because each requires their class's SP enhs. And without both PrEs, this combo goes from bad to worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    One specific problem with this particular combo: you can't take both AoV and a Savant, because each requires their class's SP enhs. And without both PrEs, this combo goes from bad to worse.
    Ouch totally forgot that requirement. That would limit the build even more.

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    half orc str based 12 fvs 8 sorc

    masters touch + divine power,

    haste, displace, or rage, can only pick 2, i would skip rage

    heal, fom, deathward

    other buff spells like jump and tumble and whatever else.

    Cleave/great cleave, legendary dreadnaught

    Would be a fun little flavor build.


    If you wanted a caster build, I got nothin'. I can't see how it would work.

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    Just one question why gimp yourself x2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    half orc str based 12 fvs 8 sorc

    masters touch + divine power,

    haste, displace, or rage, can only pick 2, i would skip rage

    heal, fom, deathward

    other buff spells like jump and tumble and whatever else.

    Cleave/great cleave, legendary dreadnaught

    Would be a fun little flavor build.


    If you wanted a caster build, I got nothin'. I can't see how it would work.
    OK- this is weird. Besides from the fact that I'm gonna be an elf (for Undying Court's res) this is almost exactly how my guy was going to be >.<
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    Hmmm, if that is what you are going for, I think you'll be too tight on feats.

    Might I suggest a Favored-Soul 12 / Wizard 7 / Other 1 (with prestige taken only in Favored soul - AOV II).
    This gives 2 additional feats, lots more spell slots with not a big reduction in SP.

    For the Other 1, my preferred choices would be one of the following:
    - fighter 1 for another feat and haste boost
    - rogue 1 for sneak attack damage, haste boost, umd and locks (or even full trapper if have great equip and/or trap mostly on normal or hard).
    - another level of favored soul for another 4th, 5th and 6th level spell

    Feats:
    Toughness, TWF line (3 feats), IC-Slash, PA, Cleave (level 21/24 could be Gcleave/OWC)
    Wizard bonus feats: Maximize,Quicken
    Start stats depend on base stat points (32+) and tomes.
    Keep in mind leveling order so that have BAB 11 by level 18 for GTWF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    One specific problem with this particular combo: you can't take both AoV and a Savant, because each requires their class's SP enhs. And without both PrEs, this combo goes from bad to worse.
    Well, also, when they (finally) do the enhancement overhaul, you can be both a Savant AND an AoV/BoH/the other FvS line they're adding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelendren View Post
    Well, also, when they (finally) do the enhancement overhaul, you can be both a Savant AND an AoV/BoH/the other FvS line they're adding
    Don't count your chickens before they hatch; or, in this case, don't make assumptions about forthcoming content / rule changes until they go live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelendren View Post
    Well, also, when they (finally) do the enhancement overhaul, you can be both a Savant AND an AoV/BoH/the other FvS line they're adding
    and be equally ineffective in both the way things are looking now

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Don't count your chickens before they hatch; or, in this case, don't make assumptions about forthcoming content / rule changes until they go live.
    True. Well, as I said earlier, I'm not even going caster with this build. The majority of the spells will be buffs. At level 4, 3/1 FvS/Sorc, I have 24 AC in the wiz/sorc's starter robe with the buffs and the +1 from TWD.

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    Default If it were based on fire spells

    I could see it being kind of fun if it twisted Energy Burst: Fire from Draconic and staying in either Dreadnought or Shiradi as was mentioned.

    That's the best synergy I could imagine.

    As for whomever asked "why gimp yourself," my answer to that would be: to have fun, and because unless you're doing EE you could probably wield a masterwork quarterstaff and still roll through most content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoopid_cowboy View Post
    yuda
    p.s. if you say "Drow AA" I am calling the insane asylum for you
    By the way, what's an AA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelendren View Post
    By the way, what's an AA?
    AA = arcane archer

    arrows with magic effects on them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelendren View Post
    True. Well, as I said earlier, I'm not even going caster with this build. The majority of the spells will be buffs. At level 4, 3/1 FvS/Sorc, I have 24 AC in the wiz/sorc's starter robe with the buffs and the +1 from TWD.
    In that case, I'd go with a half-elf 18 FvS/2 Monk with the sorc dilly and just scroll the arcane buffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gphysalis View Post
    AA = arcane archer

    arrows with magic effects on them
    Oh. Thanks

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