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    Question Loss of Guild Renown over time.

    I heard a rumour that if guild members don't login in for a certain amount of time that the guild will get a minus guild renown penalty.

    Is the any truth to this? and if so what is the amount of time?

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    you lose renown every day, regardless of whether people log in or not.

    (This does not apply to guilds below level 26)
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    Also depends on the guild numbers. I keep someone who has not played in years in my guild. If you are a small guild and have like 6 individual accounts ..you'll get more renown then you lose if you play all the time. Larger guilds and people that don't play hurt them.

    GPH is correct though your going to lose renown everyday once your guild hits 26..but smaller guilds benefit with higher rewards with lesser folks.
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    All guilds at level 26 and above have decay, which subtracts a set amount of renown (based on guild level - the higher level, the more decay).

    It does NOT depend on how many accounts are in the guild, on how many are playing, or how many have not been playing.
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    Not what I was saying. For smaller guilds you get more renown for each individual account. Larger guilds that does not happen. You have 6 accounts and a small guild you get larger rewards then a larger guild.


    http://ddowiki.com/page/Guild_Renown

    I have kept folks who do not play anymore cause the 300 percent makes up for the decay. Sorry friend that is all I was saying
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    If a character is inactive for more than 30 days he /she does not count for guild renown decay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onetunge View Post
    If a character is inactive for more than 30 days he /she does not count for guild renown decay.
    A character NEVER counts for renown decay under the current system.

    If an account is inactive for more than 30 days, the active account number of the guild lessens by one. This may increase the small guild bonus of the guild (or even decrease it, if the guild is small enough). Thus it may affect the renown earning of the guild - but it does not affect decay itself, in any way, shape or form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onetunge View Post
    If a character is inactive for more than 30 days he /she does not count for guild renown decay.
    Yes this (account not character).

    Leaders who boot toons who haven't logged for a while are silly because inactive accounts don't add to decay.

    If you boot people for being inactive then players who are taking an extended break from the game will log in their toons every week or so to avoid the boot and keep the account 'active' and therefore count toward decay even though no renown is brought in.

    Also, you may boot someone's never used alt who did bring in renown at one point (that you just lost a part of by booting them).

    A better policy would be to tell players not to log in accounts they don't play, like a F2P second 'opener' accounts, and just allow the dead accounts to remain 'inactive' (unless you think they are never coming back).
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillymiket View Post
    Leaders who boot toons who haven't logged for a while are silly because inactive accounts don't add to decay.
    Decay is NOT based on number of accounts anymore. Active or inactive, doesn't matter. Decay is a SET number, depending on guild level ONLY. Account number does not affect decay anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    Decay is NOT based on number of accounts anymore. Active or inactive, doesn't matter. Decay is a SET number, depending on guild level ONLY. Account number does not affect decay anymore.
    Oh yeah.

    They changed it.

    Thanks for reminding me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phillymiket View Post
    Oh yeah.

    They changed it.

    Thanks for reminding me.


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    Indirectly the account number may affect a guild's renown earning, of course - via the guild size bonus. But decay itself, no.
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    Thx for correcting me. Both times.
    I was thinking account. And too forgot they changed it.

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    Something to remember about decay. If someone has toons in more than 1 guild on a server and they don't log into a any toon in guild A for more than 1 month, but do play toon(s) in Guild B, both guilds will suffer decay since the account is active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WargamerIV View Post
    Something to remember about decay. If someone has toons in more than 1 guild on a server and they don't log into a any toon in guild A for more than 1 month, but do play toon(s) in Guild B, both guilds will suffer decay since the account is active.
    Decay, once again, is NOT dependent on guild size. So having someone in the guild who has toons in multiple guilds, but does not play in yours, no longer increases decay.

    It may affect the guild size bonus, for better or worse, but decay is NOT dependent on guild size.
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    Also, keep in mind just how important your guild's size is when it comes to daily renown decay, and....

    >.< hehe, Sorry. I couldn't help myself! Just too funny that almost half of the posts in the threads are reminders that Guild Size is now totally and completely removed from the amount of Decay. To say it ~one~ more time, Guild Size is unrelated to Guild Renown Decay!

    This is why so many guild's have had their guild level shoot up recently. Having 'dead weight' members no longer slows guilds down, letting even the most casual of guilds grow fairly rapidly. Any guild with less than 50 active accounts, which you can see by hovering the mouse over the Guild Renown "XP" bar on the social tab, will also get a bonus to the amount of Renown earned.

    This is probably one of the most misunderstood mechanics in game right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    Decay, once again, is NOT dependent on guild size. So having someone in the guild who has toons in multiple guilds, but does not play in yours, no longer increases decay.

    It may affect the guild size bonus, for better or worse, but decay is NOT dependent on guild size.
    Nice man thanks..explains why I do not lose much lol. I did not know that. I keep my friend that has been gone like 2 years cause i get a bonus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    Decay, once again, is NOT dependent on guild size. So having someone in the guild who has toons in multiple guilds, but does not play in yours, no longer increases decay.

    It may affect the guild size bonus, for better or worse, but decay is NOT dependent on guild size.
    This is not correct.....well guild size is not as large as an impact on decay as it once was...but it still impacts it. Basically the new formula hurts under 10 member guilds more then the old formula.

    The current Guild renown decay formula is a level-based multiplier times an account-based multiplier (Level Multiplier * Account Multiplier).

    The account-based multiplier is the Modified Guild Size + 10.
    The level-based multiplier can be looked up in the list below.
    Note: Minimum Modified Guild Size is 10! Account-based multiplier is therefore ( Max(Modified Guild Size,10) + 10 )



    Guild Level

    Multiplier

    26 2.197000
    27 2.460375
    28 2.744000
    29 3.048625
    30 3.375000
    31 7.447750
    32 8.192000
    33 8.984250
    34 9.826000
    35 10.718750
    36 17.496000
    37 18.994875
    38 20.577000
    39 22.244625
    40 24.000000
    41 41.352600
    42 44.452800
    43 47.704200
    44 51.110400
    45 54.675000
    46 73.002000
    47 77.867250
    48 82.944000
    49 88.236750
    50 93.750000
    51 119.385900
    52 126.547200
    53 133.989300
    54 141.717600
    55 149.737500
    56 184.396800
    57 194.452650
    58 204.867600
    59 215.647950
    60 226.800000
    61 317.773400
    62 333.659200
    63 350.065800
    64 367.001600
    65 384.475000
    66 452.806200
    67 473.701725
    68 495.230400
    69 517.401675
    70 540.225000
    71 626.344250
    72 653.184000
    73 680.779750
    74 709.142000
    75 738.281250
    76 845.028800
    77 878.826025
    78 913.512600
    79 949.100075
    80 985.600000
    81 1275.458400
    82 1323.283200
    83 1372.288800
    84 1422.489600
    85 1473.900000
    86 1653.745600
    87 1712.107800
    88 1771.827200
    89 1832.919400
    90 1895.400000
    91 2109.998800
    92 2180.326400
    93 2252.199600
    94 2325.635200
    95 2400.650000
    96 2654.208000
    97 2738.019000
    98 2,823.576000
    99 2,910.897000
    100 3,375.000000

    So a level 26 guild has a level multiplier of 2.197.
    The same level 26 guild will have an account multiplier of modified guild size plus 10. So if the guild has 1 to 10 members (accounts). The modified guild size will be 10. The account multiplier will therefore be 20. So the daily decay for this guild with 1 to 10 members will be 2.197 x 20 = 43.94

    My guild is a level 83 6 person guild so our decay per day is 20 x 1372.2888 = 27,445.76.
    Myself and a guildmember have tracked this over the past week or so and this is correct (at the moment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargol View Post
    This is not correct.....well guild size is not as large as an impact on decay as it once was...but it still impacts it. Basically the new formula hurts under 10 member guilds more then the old formula.

    The current Guild renown decay formula is a level-based multiplier times an account-based multiplier (Level Multiplier * Account Multiplier).

    The account-based multiplier is the Modified Guild Size + 10.
    The level-based multiplier can be looked up in the list below.
    Note: Minimum Modified Guild Size is 10! Account-based multiplier is therefore ( Max(Modified Guild Size,10) + 10 )
    No, you are mistaken. It used to be like that, but no longer.

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=395934

    "Renown decay no longer takes guild size into account. This should ease the pressure for guild leaders to “kick” members from the guild to offset daily renown decay rates. Renown decay now only takes a guild’s level into consideration rather than its size."

    There is NO guild size variable any longer. The guild size multiplier is set to 20 now, corresponding to a guild size of 10.
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