I love byoh what I hate is joining one on a divine and people forgetting to take care of themselves.
I think many anti byoh people probably don't run in them or had one bad experience with someone who didn't understand that byoh with a cleric or fvs doesn't mean you never toss a heal, it does mean that the person playing said classes are probably just as much in the fray of things as you are, so its wiser to make sure you can keep yourself up at times.
When I play in a byoh group I never let someone die if I can help it, I am willing to heal up someone who got caught in a bad situation but im not monitoring HP bars the way some players "expect" me to. That is the most frustrating about playing a class I have loved since PNP. And yes I know ddo is not Pnp but there are somethings I sorely miss that MMO gaming have ruined for those of us who love the power of characters who can do damage and yes heal ourselves and others.
Its why I mostly guild only or solo now with my divines, I do not like or accept anyone who tells me how to use my mana bar even if they think they are doing it for the good of the team. And if I post a byoh on any of my divines it means self sufficient which by many of the people who have posted in this thread maybe lacking on our server.
So that the back and forth on my end stops because I don't see my mind being changed on this my point is and always will be DDO is a game, we have many types of players, some of us do not want to be forced into roles or jobs. I don't get mad at people who wish to play the game in a way that is fun for them that includes assassins who aren't trapsmiths, divines who want to do damage and heal optionally or even not at all (yes battle clerics do not offend me) I don't get mad at arcanes who don't buff I provide my own even on my melees specially now due to augments. I guess its wrong for me to some of you to take personal responsibility for my own fun but that's how I play and why I still play. So you can all state your opinions on how your ideal team efforts is best for the game, I will continue to have fun with other free spirits who enjoy ddo and not reduce it to forced free labor.
And no, dumbass -5 % hireling doesn't count.
This doesn't mean I expect them to sit back and heal. I also expect everyone to be somewhat self sufficient. If you only throw emergency heals, that's great, and basically what I ask. But, we had a "what does BYOH mean" thread awhile ago, and there were many many people who said that even if there was a person dieing on the ground, they weren't obligated to throw a heal. Since there's so many bad divine players like that, it's a crapshoot whether you get one of those bad divine players or good divine players. It's also a crapshoot as to what a divine's BYOH LFM means.
Also this vvvv
Last edited by Failedlegend; 04-09-2013 at 02:12 PM.
Originally Posted by Cordovan
'Lona needs some real drama. There are 4 pages of "X class posted Y LFM"
Who cares what someone put on their lfm. I thought the point was funny, so did some other people, others didn't. OMG Drama lama /fail
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I also think that many of the people making comments like yours haven't really played divines, while many of the people supporting the BYOH comment have played divines.
The BYOH LFM could be viewed in a different way : Don't join the party if you can't contribute and take care of yourself.
Full out DPS (we are just going to assume a vanilla barb or fighter who isn't self sufficient) is beneficial in two cases: beating down on bosses with a huge amount of HP and ability to kill things in one shot (or before the mobs have a chance to strike back)
For MOST people these two cases are not applicable from level 6 to level 20+. Even at the 20+ level, very few quests really require UBER DPS, and when they do, often barbarians are not optimal at providing that DPS.
Instakills, assassinates, massive AOE tend to be the best things from level 12 to 20
In harder epics: Assassinates, CC, secondary CC (pin, control, blind etc.), burst damage, neg levels and the ability to heal yourself instantly tend to be the most important things.
If you look at clerics, they have many of those characteristics, making them much more valuable compared to a pure DPS & stunning blow barb. Many of those abilities are present in "BYOH" builds so you can see why the TOR EE lfm was BYOH .
Just to clarify I'm not debating self-sufficiency, I don't think I have posted a LFM that didn't read "BYOH - IP" (quest allowing; with eDA I just post "BYOH - starting in 3 minutes" as I'm running to sell and repair then grab ship buffs) with my main (a 20ftr) in the last two years, not as much because I expect people to be able to take care of themselves, but because I might not have a big time window for playing or flat out just want to lay my hands on my main toon and start playing.
I'm done with this thread as well. Peace be with y'all.
Couldn't be buggerd to read the whole thread. But I'd way rather do EEs with a bunch of people who can take care of themselves. Like seriously, 6 soloists are way more fun to play with compared to your average pug.
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I think it's time I bring my cleric that heals ONLY with it's aura out of vacation. Sarlona seems so deserving of it at this time of great need.
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