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    Default Bowbarian: Which other Classes?

    Ok, I want to make an AA Bowbarian.

    I have a 1/2 Elf pure Barbarian that I want to turn into a Bowbarian. My plan is to use a +3 Lesser Heart of Wood and change two of those classes into something else.

    I understand I need a blue bar in order to take the AA prestige enhancements so I was considering the following class split - 18Barb/1Druid/1Fighter.

    The 1 level of Druid is for the blue bar and Ram's Might. The Fighter level is for the extra feat.

    Is there a more efficient split that I should use instead? If so, what is it and why?

    Thanks!

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    I don't really think it's a good idea, but my vote would be barb 18 / arty 1 / rgr 1: arty meets your AA caster req and opens up UMD; rgr gets you Bow STR free. Feat-wise, at a minimum you need PBS & WF:R for AA and Power Atk+Cleave for FB; you'll also want Rapid Shot & Manyshot or you're just wasting your time as an AA. That leaves just 3 feats, unfortunately: I would go with IC:Slash+GC+OC if you want to focus on melee; or Prec Shot+IPS for ranged DPS vs mobs.

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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    Level 25 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
    (18 Barbarian \ 1 Ranger \ 1 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 410
    Spell Points: 170 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 17
    Reflex: 12
    Will: 8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
    Strength             18                    26
    Dexterity            15                    18
    Constitution         16                    18
    Intelligence          8                    10
    Wisdom                8                    10
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
    Level 1 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 3 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 4 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 6 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 7 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
    Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
    Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
    Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
    Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
    Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
    Enhancement: Half-Elf Rogue Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
    
    
    Level 21 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 22 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 23 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 24 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical
    
    
    Level 25 (Barbarian)
    There's probably a more optimal leveling order and enhancement setup; just trying to make sure everything can be squeezed in. If you don't have arty, bard works just as well.

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    bowboarians are gimped ill tell you why...the extra strength mod dont make up for the 30% damage you lose..you cant hae archers focused or impr precise shot. so you lose 30% damagewhich no amount of strength will get back. your to hit would great suffer your dex would be very low. but if losing arhcer stances isnt problem id consider 12 barb 6 ranger 2 bard.. twist in tailwinds.

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    At end level and with epic destinies, That bowbarian build for max manyshot against tough bosses or ranged situations might be a good idea, I like unbongwah Build ( I would splash with fighter instead ranger for heavy armor proficiency), the only dps feat I would miss is IC ranged that will alllow you to have almost max manyshot dps against single targets but guess can take that instead IC slash if get a good falchion or Two hander with keen prefix. (well, also the hitpoints lost from not having toughness and its enhancements, but anyway you can range those tough bosses with your powerful manyshot, also need to raise a bit more your dexterity since dont have precision, but there are good items to do so).

    For example, playing in FOTW destiny and having adrenaline+overhelming force+sense of weakness+wild weapons, I think you are not going to feel too much meele dps diference from not having the THF line while your manyshot against tough bosses with a good bow (Pinion for example), with haste boost 30 twisted, can be a significant burst dps diference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boredman View Post
    At end level and with epic destinies, That bowbarian build for max manyshot against tough bosses or ranged situations might be a good idea, I like unbongwah Build ( I would splash with fighter instead ranger for heavy armor proficiency), the only dps feat I would miss is IC ranged that will alllow you to have almost max manyshot dps against single targets but guess can take that instead IC slash if get a good falchion or Two hander with keen prefix. (well, also the hitpoints lost from not having toughness and its enhancements, but anyway you can range those tough bosses with your powerful manyshot, also need to raise a bit more your dexterity since dont have precision, but there are good items to do so).

    For example, playing in FOTW destiny and having adrenaline+overhelming force+sense of weakness+wild weapons, I think you are not going to feel too much meele dps diference from not having the THF line while your manyshot against tough bosses with a good bow (Pinion for example), with haste boost 30 twisted, can be a significant burst dps diference.
    if all you care about is that 20 secs then its fine..i prefer my legned 12 fighter keensai..8 bard warchanter..it has haste boost four and human damage 4..has tial winds tiwsted and is in fury destiny it could out dps a bowbarian..but thats just me i prefer flare and uniquness over bow barian..howmany bard kensai rangers you see running around

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    hitting your target = dps with bowbarian you wont have precesiion and your strwegth be very high but low dex so your to hit would suffer on high ac enemys

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandarider123 View Post
    if all you care about is that 20 secs then its fine..i prefer my legned 12 fighter keensai..8 bard warchanter..it has haste boost four and human damage 4..has tial winds tiwsted and is in fury destiny it could out dps a bowbarian..but thats just me i prefer flare and uniquness over bow barian..howmany bard kensai rangers you see running around
    We are talking here about a bowbarian, because he already has a Barbarian and just want to do lesser change to his Barb. Im not discussing about bowbarians compared to other builds, you can find monkchers, bards, fighters, rangers, etc. But that does not mean that giving a barbarian a burst dps for 20 sec every 2 min will gimp him, especially with how is working manyshot and epic destinies atm. (also is very doable to reach at least 32 dex on a bowbarian 15 base+3 tome+11 items+ 1 enhancement+2 ship buff, plus bonus from weapons and sets+ 19bab, dont think he will miss too much and also can help with Unstoppable Fury too)
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    Im planning on doing a 6 Ranger, 2 Fighter, 12 Barbarian for my Barbarian life (TWF and Manyshot). But if you are going to get a +3 LR, then 2 Ranger and 1 Arty/Wiz (if you cant unlock AA through Past Lives) could work.

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