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    Quote Originally Posted by Therigar View Post
    Aside from the MT or Arcane Prodigy (both eating a feat) it is this comment about PS and IPS that I see in virtually every thread on AA. And, no matter how I (or others) try to work around those it always seems to come back to them being absolutely essential to most posters.

    Next issue for me is the one of "how do you hit anything?" If the build passes on DEX then to hit drops. No sense having an AA if it is missing.

    Now, I know that with the AC revamp the to hit element has been modified. But, it is still a concern IMO.
    This is my biggest issue...I could live without IPS if using manyshot for only burst DPS...but PS is almost essential.

    I think the best bowbarian would be a 12 barbarian/6 ranger/2 artificer (honestly, unless your saves are high enough for evasion, the extra feat is better).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therigar View Post
    What's the delta when comparing AA w/o FBIII, FBIII w/o AA and AA w FBII but slayer arrows?
    Honestly, there are so many variables when it comes to DPS - esp. once you factor in EDs - that I don't really know how to crunch the numbers. In this thread there's a debate about what's the best bow for a "casual" (non-AA) Manyshotter, and the answer is "it depends."

    Instead, I look at the opportunity costs associated with certain build decisions. I.e., would an FB III AA w/Slaying Arrows have higher ranged DPS than a non-AA FB III? Yes - but the AA FB III had to take WF:Ranged and either sorc PL or a caster splash which the non-AA build did not. Those two feats could instead go towards, say, boosting your melee DPS or adding Toughness or whatever.

    On the non-AA FB III I posted, I tried to minimize the melee DPS sacrifice - I think the only thing I lose is barb capstone and I get Haste Boost as a consolation prize - while managing to squeeze in Manyshot. Had I switched to, e.g., a HE TRed from sorc, I would've had to drop the THF chain to squeeze in WF:R and sorc PL. [I could then add rog dilly for 3D6 SA as a consolation prize, but I'm not convinced that makes up for the DPS loss of dropping THF chain.]
    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post
    How about ftr 12/barb 6/ rgr 2. Not sure if this is a true bowbarian, but it might be interesting to stack rage with power surge.
    Another possibility is ftr 12 / barb 6 / arty 2: you lose 3 feats by dropping rgr splash, but can make a true AA bowbarian. Feats get tight, but doable, I think. Although one of the appeals of making a bowbarian is trying to get the extra crit multiplier while Raged from FB II/III; you don't get that w/only barb 6.
    The thing with monkchers is that they have to max wisdom right? So your damage per shot is considerably less? And the monkcher absolutely must melee every cycle, not only to build up ki for 10k stars, but also because their single shot arrows are likely not doing that much damage.
    Depends on how you build it. A STR-based monkcher would have higher melee DPS & more dmg per hit; while a WIS-based monkcher has higher DCs for Stunning Fist & ToD and higher proc chance on 10K Stars. For ki, outside of melee, in Master & GM Ocean stance you passively regen ki while in Earth stance you regen ki when hit; Enlightenment from GMoF also provides passive ki generation.

    I recommend checking out wowo's monkcher thread. He has a lot more experience with actually playing them than I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    If you've found a way to combine monk with barb, I'm all ears...
    They turned off the possibility of Monk/Barbarian mutliclass when they made the veteran airship no longer a tavern.

    I think it was only possible for a month or two (although I'm a little fuzzy on how long it actually lasted).

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    Still another option: barb 12 / rgr 6 / arty 2:
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    Level 25 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
    (12 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger \ 2 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 349
    Spell Points: 245 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 14
    Will: 8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
    Strength             18                    27
    Dexterity            16                    20
    Constitution         14                    16
    Intelligence          8                     8
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              8                     8
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    
    Level 1 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 2 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 8 (Artificer)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons 
    
    
    Level 10 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
    Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
    Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
    Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
    Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
    Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
    Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
    Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
    Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense II
    Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
    
    
    Level 21 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 22 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 23 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 24 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical
    
    
    Level 25 (Barbarian)
    Taking a ftr splash instead of arty would net you 1 extra feat (Mental Toughness for AA pre-req & e.g. Toughness or IC:Ranged), Haste Boost I, and +1 STR enh; but you would lose UMD (and whatever trap skills you invested in). Or you could drop IPS; that would let you lower base DEX and squeeze in IC:Ranged, Toughness, or a tactics feat.

    EDIT: I took IC:Pierce to use rapiers & heavy picks; you could take IC:Slash instead to use scimitars or khops if you squeeze the prof in.
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