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    Default Dear devs, please remove the ability to re-enter Epic Elites

    As the title states, I would like to see toons locked out from re-entering Epic Elites and reinstate the old system where once a toon leaves an epic elite dungeon it is not allowed to re-enter unless the dungeon is reset.

    I find I join way too many pugs or sometimes a pug joins our group and leaves quest to use the shrine outside the quest and re-enters. I personally find that this cheapens the game & experience. Yes I am out to get gear but it should be done with what is made available in the dungeon.

    I have yet to see a quest where it was impossible to complete with the shrines made available in the dungeon if one plays smart & conservatively with their resources at hand.
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    You can enforce your own rules. When you form a group set out the rules. If they leave the quest, boot them. Pretty simple.

    If you are in someone else's group, its their rules. Pretty simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    You can enforce your own rules. When you form a group set out the rules. If they leave the quest, boot them. Pretty simple.

    If you are in someone else's group, its their rules. Pretty simple.
    Pretty hard to enforce rules where shrines are right outside the quest in the explorer area, you cant kick players in the explorer area.
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    I ran Where there is Smoke ELITE on a level 4, first life 28 hit point rogue, never TRd, no guild buffs, using a hireling cleric. One shotted two times at the first dog area.
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    EE = Epic Elite

    /signed

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave_diver View Post
    Pretty hard to enforce rules where shrines are right outside the quest in the explorer area, you cant kick players in the explorer area.
    And a good thing too!

    I can't imagine the number of newbies who'd be kicked for not being able to find the quests without help out in Vale, Gianthold, Amrath if this was allowed!


    But for Epic Elites and a Lock Out/In I'll /Sign even though I personally don't run them yet anyway!

    I had no issues running Epics pre MotU with the Lock Out/In and as long as it's JUST for Epic Elites I'd have no issue with it being put back in.

    BTW Don't Explorer Shrines have a 15 minute timer?

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    Even better - each character should be able to run Epic Elites only ONE time per life - even if they complete.

    If they don't complete OR don't get ransack and onslaught, they failed their uber check and cannot re-enter till they TR.

    /sarcasm

    Where do y'all come up with this stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post

    BTW Don't Explorer Shrines have a 15 minute timer?
    Explorer shrines/zones reset if no one has been in area after 5 minutes
    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    I ran Where there is Smoke ELITE on a level 4, first life 28 hit point rogue, never TRd, no guild buffs, using a hireling cleric. One shotted two times at the first dog area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cave_diver View Post
    Explorer shrines/zones reset if no one has been in area after 5 minutes
    Then the answer's simple...

    Use an alt account as the 6th man and park it in the Explorer Zone before 5 manning the Epic Elite Quest of your choice!

    Now those who wish to re-use the Explorer Shrine must wait the full 15 minutes each time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    Then the answer's simple...

    Use an alt account as the 6th man and park it in the Explorer Zone before 5 manning the Epic Elite Quest of your choice
    If we are 5, I don't mind opening it up for a 6th person...regardless of their ability (as long as they are not a complete tool and listen), they might get decent loot that will help them in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by fco-karatekid View Post
    Where do y'all come up with this stuff?
    I just wake up every morning and come up with brilliant ideas...don't you? There are 4 levels of epics cas/norm/hard/elite....my opinion of elite may be different then yours but I'm just asking for a return to the old way on epic elite only...thats all. If you dont like it...it cool with me...everyone has an opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    I ran Where there is Smoke ELITE on a level 4, first life 28 hit point rogue, never TRd, no guild buffs, using a hireling cleric. One shotted two times at the first dog area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    You can enforce your own rules. When you form a group set out the rules. If they leave the quest, boot them. Pretty simple.

    If you are in someone else's group, its their rules. Pretty simple.
    This.

    Options are good, taking choice away from others not so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knockcocker View Post
    This.

    Options are good, taking choice away from others not so good.

    Since obliviously i cant enforce my own rules...some due to shrines being right outside the quest in the explorer zone....I should have the option when I enter a quest to tick a box disallowing re-entries
    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    I ran Where there is Smoke ELITE on a level 4, first life 28 hit point rogue, never TRd, no guild buffs, using a hireling cleric. One shotted two times at the first dog area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fco-karatekid View Post
    Even better - each character should be able to run Epic Elites only ONE time per life - even if they complete.

    If they don't complete OR don't get ransack and onslaught, they failed their uber check and cannot re-enter till they TR.

    /sarcasm

    Where do y'all come up with this stuff?
    By watching some of the hardest content in DDO trvialized by people exiting/re-entering ad nauseum?

    The same people that will complain when there exploits are removed from some of the hardest content in DDO.

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    I haven't ran much ee gh, but I have ran the rest of the packs ee, both in pugs and in guild groups. Honestly I've yet to see this be used, and as such I have a hard time seeing it as a problem that needs developer time to fix. The only times I've heard of people doing this is for solo ee completions, which honestly I don't have enough of a problem with to think that it warrants dev attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave_diver View Post
    As the title states, I would like to see toons locked out from re-entering Epic Elites and reinstate the old system where once a toon leaves an epic elite dungeon it is not allowed to re-enter unless the dungeon is reset.

    I find I join way too many pugs or sometimes a pug joins our group and leaves quest to use the shrine outside the quest and re-enters. I personally find that this cheapens the game & experience. Yes I am out to get gear but it should be done with what is made available in the dungeon.

    I have yet to see a quest where it was impossible to complete with the shrines made available in the dungeon if one plays smart & conservatively with their resources at hand.

    Personally i dont really care.

    Its just a game.

    If a party can get it done with no re-entries great...you have a good party.
    If they are a group that has to re-enter 500 times and spend 5 hours to get it done so be it.

    Would be nice to have a re-entry checkbox that pops up for the party leader that will accept or reject someone from re-entering an instance... for those no-rentry xp groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOTMON View Post
    Would be nice to have a re-entry checkbox that pops up for the party leader that will accept or reject someone from re-entering an instance... for those no-rentry xp groups.
    That would be awesome, but it would need to be a part of the LFM as opposed to a pop-up window (imagine getting a pop-up in the middle of your screen during an EE dragon fight?)

    We really need some more ways to customize LFMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddobard1 View Post
    EE = Epic Elite

    /signed
    THIS

    but well, we know that ee never meant really ee, always emant Easy for Everyone soooo guess they will ignore this suggestion, like all the rest
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    If this gets implemented, the only difference will be that healers will have to drink hundreds mana pots per quest.

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    Typical "I am not happy with my gameplay experience with this issue so the only way to fix it is to change it for thousands of other people too, even if they don't have my issue"

    Come on people, learn to fix your problems without the need to think the only way to fix it is to change the game for everyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    If this gets implemented, the only difference will be that healers will have to drink hundreds mana pots per quest.
    No, if this gets implemented then the people who used it already and got their gear/favor will be even further beyond newer players who haven't used this trick yet ;-)
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    File this suggestion under hardcore power gamers. It goes nicely along side giving them their own server and removing shrines.

    Set up your own rules and if people dont listen, than /squelch and reform if need be. If its not your party and you dont agree with it, politely explain your reason and drop group. Call it wasted time, but your gaming experience still holds true.

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