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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    I'm going to boycott it because all of DDO's other monetization schemes didn't affect me. I could ignore them if I wanted with no harm to my character.

    Now, the plat AH has the potential of being largely abandoned, limiting my purchasing ability. I hate Shroud, but like greensteel. But now I have this suspicion that large ingredients will simply just not be found on the plat AH anymore. Same with worthwhile epic scrolls.

    You pay real money, or you are forced to rely on minuscule drop rates. That is what I see here.
    Are ingredients and scrolls bind on equip?
    If not, you can sleep safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Are ingredients and scrolls bind on equip?
    If not, you can sleep safely.
    Ummmm... no. The description clearly says that unbound items can be sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    Ummmm... no. The description clearly says that unbound items can be sold.
    Yep. There is no doubt that at least a massive section of the market is going to switch over to the Shard Exchange. This is rather a strange tactic on the part of Turbine. It's like the entire scheme is just to avoid the negative vibe of selling platinum, directly, in the store.

    I imagine its an attempt to segregate the community (again) into those who will use and purchase Astral Shards regularly and those who will just play the game (essentially for free). A sort of softening of the blows for the plain appreciators of the actual game - but it hasn't really worked in the longterm.

    People leave the game because it has become a RMT powergamer's haven, and their attempts to disguise it hasn't really fooled anyone that might care.

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    I don't think I'm going to actively boycott it, because if I actively boycott all of their bad decisions, I'd have to go play another game. But I will be avoiding it, if for no other reason than the ridiculous fees. I do think it's a poor idea, but at least as a cash grab, it's pretty blatant. So that's better than a stealth cash grab.

    But in terms of Things DDO Developers Do That Bother Me, this is pretty low on the list, especially when compared to the stupid or poorly-conceived rules and physics changes of the last year or so, and the move to FR.

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    I dont see how this is effecting us as a cash grab. If you look at the trade forums, people already offer TP codes, Expansion codes, and Ottos boxes with the exp stone in them to balance out trade offers for rare items.

    How will this astral shard based Ah make it worse? The only thing I see here, is that they want to move astral diamonds and shard to being one step closer to the premium currency of the game. For a long time they were mostly ignored, then used as guild ship currency, then used as currecy for fancy repairs, now theyll become currency to offer for rare items, what other players are selling.

    Its not that Turbine is effectively selling out raid loot, (what already happens when you look at the tomes in the store some says) its bartering between players.

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    Humm, I don't see an answer about where to crunch tomes into diamonds. That would be good to know info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogdoc View Post

    Its not that Turbine is effectively selling out raid loot, (what already happens when you look at the tomes in the store some says) its bartering between players.

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    No raid loot, but you will be able to build that tier 3 double-imbued greensteel item by paying real money. (minus the stones of power- so you have to run the raid a couple of times anyway).

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    Just to add my point of view...I don't plan on boycotting it, but I also don't plan on posting anything to it. The way I see it is, if there is something I want on there and am willing to pony up the AS, I'll go for it without hesitation. However, anything that I auction will be going on the regular AH, so that ANYONE, F2P, Premium, or VIP can get it. I don't like the idea of an AH where a portion of the playerbase is excluded(except maybe halflings...tiny hands...). At the same time, I am not going to limit myself to only one AH if I am looking for something specific, and it happens to be on the ASAH for a reasonable price.

    Just my 2cp...kinda the same reason I'm not a fan of the challenges, or this daily bonus that they are adding. It just feels wrong, like they are putting some Farmville in my DDO. If some people like it, cool, and if it brings in revenue to keep the game going, fine, but it just kinda feels wrong...like it breaks the immersion. DDO is an mmoRPG, after all, and these things just don't "fit". On the same token, it doesn't ruin my experience, and some others might like it or find it useful, so I don't see the need to boycott anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frisco-polydragon View Post
    Humm, I don't see an answer about where to crunch tomes into diamonds. That would be good to know info.
    You won't either because it's not possible. You can turn tomes into Purified Eberron dragonshard fragments (much like you can the shards / diamonds) but that is the only place they "meet" so to speak.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    So point me, in which evasive device in which hidden instance to do it.
    Think he is speaking of the Barter Box NPC in the crafting halls where to you can turn your +1/+2 Tomes into Purified Dragaon Shards. You can also use AD to exchange for Purified Dragon Shards.

    However, you cannot exchange Purified Dragon Shards into AD/AS.

    If we could, I would be a happier player.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    No raid loot, but you will be able to build that tier 3 double-imbued greensteel item by paying real money. (minus the stones of power- so you have to run the raid a couple of times anyway).
    I understand where you come from, that you can pay real money and be more powerful, but:

    1 - It is already in the game, all around tomes +x in all stats ring any bell?... Also GS ings were sold in the DDO store already. And thats not player sales, its Turbine sales of crafting ings to make nice loot.

    2 - Even if someone pays 100$ (it would be nice to know a real number here, I just pulled this out of my *cough*) for a GS greatsword of greatness, and only has to run 3-4 shrouds to get the shards on top of his purchase, how does that effect my gaming experience?

    I still say, while I didnt want this feature, hell I never even used astral shards for that repair thingy, but it doesnt seem to make DDO worse for me. And if its a couple hundred thousand bucks for Turbine, and they use at least a portion of that to build me a better game, I win.

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    IMHO there is two problems with this new auction house:
    1) The fees are outrageous
    2) Appart from selling BTCOE gear that is already bound, why would we use it? Every barter units that have been used by players were used because they were convenient (plat) or rare and useful (major pots, devil scales, then red scales, then any dragon scale). What can you do with astral shards? Repair equipments (not going to auction off rare loot for that), reset enhancement (anyone actually use AS instead of plats?), reset destinies (same), hiring hireling (yer kidding right?) and roll on the gold chest...
    So you want us to auction rare valuable loot, get hit by a 40% fee, all for getting random prize from the gold chest...
    Unless the gold chest drops xp pots, TP codes and/or rare loot like candies, it's not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barhai View Post
    IMHO there is two problems with this new auction house:
    1) The fees are outrageous
    2) Appart from selling BTCOE gear that is already bound, why would we use it? Every barter units that have been used by players were used because they were convenient (plat) or rare and useful (major pots, devil scales, then red scales, then any dragon scale). What can you do with astral shards? Repair equipments (not going to auction off rare loot for that), reset enhancement (anyone actually use AS instead of plats?), reset destinies (same), hiring hireling (yer kidding right?) and roll on the gold chest...
    So you want us to auction rare valuable loot, get hit by a 40% fee, all for getting random prize from the gold chest...
    Unless the gold chest drops xp pots, TP codes and/or rare loot like candies, it's not going to happen.
    People will use it. They will sell their items on it to get AS, then save them up to buy that better shiny with AS. And oh, I'm 100 AS short of getting that other shiny, so I'll spend some TP to get enough. Wow- I really want that item- so I'll spend $30 to outbid this other guy who was only willling to spend $20.

    It's gonna happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogdoc View Post
    I understand where you come from, that you can pay real money and be more powerful, but:

    1 - It is already in the game, all around tomes +x in all stats ring any bell?... Also GS ings were sold in the DDO store already. And thats not player sales, its Turbine sales of crafting ings to make nice loot.

    2 - Even if someone pays 100$ (it would be nice to know a real number here, I just pulled this out of my *cough*) for a GS greatsword of greatness, and only has to run 3-4 shrouds to get the shards on top of his purchase, how does that effect my gaming experience?

    I still say, while I didnt want this feature, hell I never even used astral shards for that repair thingy, but it doesnt seem to make DDO worse for me. And if its a couple hundred thousand bucks for Turbine, and they use at least a portion of that to build me a better game, I win.

    Cogdoc
    The more People buy Ings in the Shop, the less will you have to run Shroud with.
    So it comes down to waiting longer to fill groups and having a harder time to fill Rolespecific Slots like Tank/Healer.
    Also Shards of Power will be harder to aquire because there are fewer Shrouds run and with more People buying the Ings the demand for the Shards is higher.

    So nope, you dont win, you only have more trouble from shop buyable Ings.

    And no, Player tradeable Ings are not a problem.
    Because Player have to run Shroud to get Ings to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jskinner937 View Post
    Did not catch that part. I would vote open for all.
    well, with the drop chance of those things in game, I doubt you stay below premium for long - as apparently you need shards even to post an auction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    People will use it. They will sell their items on it to get AS, then save them up to buy that better shiny with AS. And oh, I'm 100 AS short of getting that other shiny, so I'll spend some TP to get enough. Wow- I really want that item- so I'll spend $30 to outbid this other guy who was only willling to spend $20.

    It's gonna happen.
    I am sure it will, to at least a degree. But it happens now. I can't wander into gianthold without seeing people offering to sell or buy TP codes. Same with Otto's boxes. But I doubt that the plat AH will dry up. It already doesn't see the high-end items, and I doubt that'll change. For example, I see +4 books get sold quite a bit, but not on the AH.

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    Maybe I don't understand but what can I use Astral Shards for right now? I cant buy packs with them. I cant trade them to bypass the plat cap (or for that matter trade them in between my own toons to pool them, unless AS is already an account pool). Gold seal hires, Ship amenities\upgrades, respec\resets and repairs. That's it right?

    Can anyone explain to me why I would want to sell my Blood Stone (etc.) for say 300 AS (idk? MINUS 40%) vs 400k plat (minus 30%)?

    I'm failing to see the part that makes me want to dump the current AH using currency that more people have (thus increasing competition for the auctions that I post) and has more applications in favor of the new one where the currency is not as plentiful and has no value to me beyond being able to buy things off of that AH as well.

    Unless you can trade them in for TP, account upgrades, inventory space, bags or any of the other DDO store items then this idea doesn't make any sense to me. (and if you could it wouldn't make any sense to Turbine).

    What am I missing?

    EDIT: In other words, THIS!
    Quote Originally Posted by Barhai View Post
    IMHO there is two problems with this new auction house:
    1) The fees are outrageous
    2) Appart from selling BTCOE gear that is already bound, why would we use it? Every barter units that have been used by players were used because they were convenient (plat) or rare and useful (major pots, devil scales, then red scales, then any dragon scale). What can you do with astral shards? Repair equipments (not going to auction off rare loot for that), reset enhancement (anyone actually use AS instead of plats?), reset destinies (same), hiring hireling (yer kidding right?) and roll on the gold chest...
    So you want us to auction rare valuable loot, get hit by a 40% fee, all for getting random prize from the gold chest...
    Unless the gold chest drops xp pots, TP codes and/or rare loot like candies, it's not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barhai View Post
    Repair equipments (not going to auction off rare loot for that),
    reset enhancement (anyone actually use AS instead of plats?),
    reset destinies (same),
    hiring hireling (yer kidding right?)
    roll on the gold chest...
    You forgot buy airships and airship amenities (some of the former can ONLY be acquired with shards).

    People will use the Shard Exchange simply because the RMT market is there. You'll have a better chance of selling that item for way more than it is actually worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemoneyes View Post
    The more People buy Ings in the Shop, the less will you have to run Shroud with.
    So it comes down to waiting longer to fill groups and having a harder time to fill Rolespecific Slots like Tank/Healer.
    Also Shards of Power will be harder to aquire because there are fewer Shrouds run and with more People buying the Ings the demand for the Shards is higher.

    So nope, you dont win, you only have more trouble from shop buyable Ings.

    And no, Player tradeable Ings are not a problem.
    Because Player have to run Shroud to get Ings to sell.
    I never said player tradeable ings are a problem. I think DDO is unique in that regard, that lot of the loot items are unbound. Well these days more and more BOA and BTCOE, but we still retain some of the old DDO style unbound-ness compared to other games.

    Also saying that there will be worse shroud runs because of the new shard AH is a bit far fetched. We already have shroud runs what only include players between levels 19-25. You recon those shrouds will wait on a tank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by psteen1 View Post
    No raid loot, but you will be able to build that tier 3 double-imbued greensteel item by paying real money. (minus the stones of power- so you have to run the raid a couple of times anyway).
    You could already do this.

    Blanks can be traded NOW, as can all the other ingredients except the power shards.

    So this changes....nothing... at least for GS.

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