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    Default 40% Cut, thought Turbine was a Gaming Company and not the Government...

    40% Cut, thought Turbine was a Gaming Company and not the Government...
    seriously that is way to much. (dont forget the posting cost)
    Either Posting cost (if not sold comes back if sold goes to turbine) or 10% Cut of selling (with no posting cost),
    everything else makes this new AH useless for everything except already bound stuff that we dont need anymore.
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    It's worse than you think - Turbine is the all-powerful dictator of the gameworld that they created and own. You have no rights but those they give you, and even those won't always be yours.

    If you don't believe me, just try exercising your "Freedom of Speech"!

    /Not signed to reducing/changing the AH cut - don't fix it if it ain't broken.
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    Drat - didn't notice the Lammania Server forum at the top. I deserve any neg rep I get for commenting on something I don't understand.

    We now return you to the rant in progress...
    Last edited by Phidius; 03-06-2013 at 12:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    If you don't like the cut they take, you're always welcome to post a Trade thread here on the forums...
    That's it.

    It's highway robbery, don't use it.
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    Had a bad case of Headimus Rectimus.... no idea what the OP is referring to... Thought it was AH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemoneyes View Post
    40% Cut, thought Turbine was a Gaming Company and not the Government...
    seriously that is way to much. (dont forget the posting cost)
    Either Posting cost (if not sold comes back if sold goes to turbine) or 10% Cut of selling (with no posting cost),
    everything else makes this new AH useless for everything except already bound stuff that we dont need anymore.
    Well, people did want a way to trade/sell off BtC items - they now have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogenbroom View Post
    I disagree that it is too much, but I have long held the belief that posting fee should be a percentage of the initial bid price, say 20% and the CL cut should be a lower percentage of the end sale price, say 10%.

    The objective being to disincent the abuse of of the AH for things like short term storage.

    There are others, however, that are vocally opposed to such a concept.
    If this is "real money" currency there should be 0% tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemoneyes View Post
    40% Cut, thought Turbine was a Gaming Company and not the Government...
    seriously that is way to much. (dont forget the posting cost)
    Either Posting cost (if not sold comes back if sold goes to turbine) or 10% Cut of selling (with no posting cost),
    everything else makes this new AH useless for everything except already bound stuff that we dont need anymore.
    So, how about this one. It costs 1 shard to post the least expensive item, the minimum bid is 3 shards, Turbine charges 30%. Now, my math is like this:

    I just sold the item for 3 shards. Cost me 1 shard to post it. Turbine took 30% of 3 which is going to round up to 1. I made a whole 1 shard out of it. So, I got my money back and somebody else got what I already had. Seems legit to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Well, people did want a way to trade/sell off BtC items - they now have it.

    Becareful what you wish for, you just may get it.

    For stuff that is already bound they can keep the huge cut but for everything else its ridicules.
    But Astral Shards are at best a third rate currency
    (you cant trade them outside of the new AH and you can buy nothing useful with it)
    Even Plat has more use because you can trade it for TP or buy anything else you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape_Man View Post
    If this is "real money" currency there should be 0% tax.
    Turbine isnt a "for zero percent profit" business.

    This doesnt surprise me at all, that they are using a multiple currency middleman system to water down everyones memory about how much RL money they spend. So to them hopefully the transaction path will look like:

    Player buys "no cash value" points in store using RL cash.
    Player spends points on shards.
    Player spends shards on auction.
    Shard sync removes 40% of purchased shards from economy - profit margin.

    People will be effectively paying for the right to use the shard auction - and also paying for the items themselves - with RL cash - using a convoluted process which converts said RL cash twice to make sure everyone knows its only usable in game and has no cash value.

    Prices will be higher because players selling stuff do not want to eat the 40% shard sync, so they will add that in (either in part or in full) to offset the penalty so they make their target amount they were looking for.

    Having such a large sync on a usage by usage basis insures that people will continue to buy shards with points, which cost RL money. With no sync in place, the market would soon become saturated with shards, and people would no longer need to buy them with points which cost RL money.
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    just for info
    1Astral Shard costs 5.67TP (biggest bundle)
    So 1AS = 5.7k platin
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    This is a service that will really prove P.T. Barnum's birthrate theory to be spot-on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Turbine isnt a "for zero percent profit" business. .
    I agree, but this is a bit of double dipping. Turbine made a 95ish% profit on the initial sale of the points (since all they were selling was an automated accounting entry its almost all profit except for the credit card discount rate)

    It's kind of like when the government adds a tax, and then taxes the tax. In this case Turbine is making a profit on something they just made a profit on, moving their profit margin up to 130ish%. Good if you can get it, but its just a bit over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    This is a service that will really prove P.T. Barnum's birthrate theory to be spot-on.
    I have no intention of spending any TP bought shards on this new auction, but I have no issues posting any bound items of notable worth for some outrageous price. After hearing from many people lately about how many Otto's boxes they've bought, I have no doubt that players with a similar mindset will have no issue dropping $500+ on astral shards to spend on goodies in the new auction house. I'm eager to see how high prices can get on some items. There are plenty of people out there with cash to burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemoneyes View Post
    For stuff that is already bound they can keep the huge cut but for everything else its ridicules.
    But Astral Shards are at best a third rate currency
    (you cant trade them outside of the new AH and you can buy nothing useful with it)
    Even Plat has more use because you can trade it for TP or buy anything else you want.
    They can keep the ASAH, I won't go near it on principle alone.

    I'll find another way to spend my 2700 AS or just destroy them - btw, looted those Shards...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    Good if you can get it, but its just a bit over the top.
    Yep.
    Create the supply, create the demand, *and* get paid for the exchange in the middle.
    Good work if you can get it.
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    If you don't believe me, just try exercising your "Freedom of Speech"!
    You have no freedom of speech in a private area. The first amendment protects you from the government. Private citizens/businesses can place any restrictions on your speech that they want to, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.

    Additionally, a sizable number of DDO players are not from the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    I agree, but this is a bit of double dipping. Turbine made a 95ish% profit on the initial sale of the points (since all they were selling was an automated accounting entry its almost all profit except for the credit card discount rate)

    It's kind of like when the government adds a tax, and then taxes the tax. In this case Turbine is making a profit on something they just made a profit on, moving their profit margin up to 130ish%. Good if you can get it, but its just a bit over the top.

    They HAVE to remove shards from the economy fairly quickly otherwise shards become as worthless, or more actually, than plat. Prices will be ridiculously high and the best high end stuff will still just be bartered as it is now.


    The shards need a sink just as much as plat for them to retain any value after a few weeks of players creating as many as they want whenever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SableShadow View Post
    Yep.
    Create the supply, create the demand, *and* get paid for the exchange in the middle.
    Good work if you can get it.
    Lol! You said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matuse View Post
    You have no freedom of speech in a private area. The first amendment protects you from the government. Private citizens/businesses can place any restrictions on your speech that they want to, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
    ...
    Exactly my point, but I was trying to not spell it out explicitly

    Quote Originally Posted by Matuse View Post
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    Additionally, a sizable number of DDO players are not from the US.
    Agreed, but Turbine is
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