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    Default The Official Shard Exchange Thread!

    Please post here with your feedback on the Shard Exchange!

    The Shard Exchange:

    This new auction house functions similar to the original Auction House, and offers a convenient place to trade equipment for Astral Shards, a currency that provides additional in-game services! The Shard Exchange is available by visiting an Auction House NPC or by selecting the Shard Exchange in the start menu (the "dragon coin" in the lower left of the screen.)
    • The Shard Exchange is available to Premium and VIP players.
    • The Shard Exchange utilizes Astral Shards both as a bid and reward currency.
    • Unbound and Bound-to-Character-on-Equip items can be traded. Equipped Bound-on-Equip items can be sold even after they are bound, but become immediately bound to the character purchasing the item.
    • Posting fees for unbound items is one Shard, and posting fees for Bound on Equip items is five Shards. These fees are refunded if the auction expires.
    • Premium players can currently post up to ten items, and VIP players can post up to 20 items.
    • The default bid for unbound items is three Shards, while the default bid for Bound on Equip items is fifteen Shards.
    • The Shard Exchange will take a 30% cut (on top of the posting fee) when unbound items are successfully sold, and a 40% cut (on top of the posting fee) for bound BtCoE items.


    KNOWN ISSUE ON LAMANNIA:
    • There is currently a bug in the Shard Exchange that causes the Exchange to take at least 100 shards from Auction profits. This is not intended, and will be fixed for the system's deployment to the live servers.


    NOTE: This Bug has been fixed in the newest Lamannia build (March 7th)
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    Given the price of shards and the magnitude of that bug, how about fixing it BEFORE it's deployment on live, so we can see it is fixed on lamma. Nothing personal, but you guys don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to fixing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakofDoom View Post
    The Shard Exchange will take a 30% cut (on top of the posting fee) when unbound items are successfully sold, and a 40% cut (on top of the posting fee) for bound items.
    Unbound Bound on Equip items, will take the 30% or 40% cut?

    Proposed changes to ASAH:

    • Up the posting fee to 3 shards for unbound (including unbound BoE items) and 15 shards for BtC items.
    • DO NOT refund those shards if the auction don't sell. (This will stimulate people to put reasonable prices instead of reposting absurd prices every time it expires)
    • Raise the auction duration to 7 days (weekend warriors can stay selling stuff to people that play during the week and vice-versa).
    • Change the auction fee to 10% for both types of items (We might have enough unsold auctions to still remove AS from market)
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    This is kind of worrying. If astral shards become the default auction house currency, then the value of plat is really going to plummet. This is very close to turning the auction house into a real money auction, like Diablo 3. That auction setup is the reason I never have and never will play Diablo 3.
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    nah - good for BtCoE gear that is BtC - and for things like EE or real rares....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley_Nicholas View Post
    This is kind of worrying. If astral shards become the default auction house currency, then the value of plat is really going to plummet. This is very close to turning the auction house into a real money auction, like Diablo 3. That auction setup is the reason I never have and never will play Diablo 3.
    Sais this is a new system alongside the normal AH. Hopefully it won't fully replace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley_Nicholas View Post
    This is kind of worrying. If astral shards become the default auction house currency, then the value of plat is really going to plummet. This is very close to turning the auction house into a real money auction, like Diablo 3. That auction setup is the reason I never have and never will play Diablo 3.
    People on this very forum are already selling and auctioning items for Otto's box's and or Turbine points. What's the difference?
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    I have seen this coming but 30% and 40%? are you mad :P
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    Please skip the astral shard nonsense and just put in a RMAH so us players can profit, and turbine can profit.

    -Turbine can keep your 30/40%

    -We get actual $ instead of these useless astral shards which can be used for nothing useful except swapping feats and enhancements which already can be done with a small amount of plat.

    This is EXACTLY the same things, the only difference is TURBINE is getting 100% of the money, and not us. This is just insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonixx View Post
    Please skip the astral shard nonsense and just put in a RMAH so us players can profit, and turbine can profit.

    -Turbine can keep your 30/40%

    -We get actual $ instead of these useless astral shards which can be used for nothing useful except swapping feats and enhancements which already can be done with a small amount of plat.

    This is EXACTLY the same things, the only difference is TURBINE is getting 100% of the money, and not us. This is just insulting.
    Turbine would face the same issues that Blizzard ran into when they were developing their real money auction house. Different countries have different laws regarding gambling, and what is and is not allowed. By using a proxy currency like the astral shards instead of actual money, there is no physical profit by the user, which probably allows them to bypass some of these restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOON375 View Post
    People on this very forum are already selling and auctioning items for Otto's box's and or Turbine points. What's the difference?
    You can spend turbine points, while astral shards are mostly useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOON375 View Post
    People on this very forum are already selling and auctioning items for Otto's box's and or Turbine points. What's the difference?
    Maybe there isn't one, on the surface. But this opens it up to much smaller increments. A lot of people are loathe to spend 5000 TP (or ~$50) to buy the new "currency", but if astral shards are made more useful than plat then everybody will want to be paid in astral shards and plat will become worthless. And if the only way to get significant amounts of astral shards is from the DDO store, then suddenly people are being nickeled-and-dimed on every single in-game transaction between two players, as well as between players and NPCs.

    So no, it's really not different at all from a conceptual standpoint. But it will potentially make it far more ubiquitous and pervasive throughout a typical gaming session. And that makes the gaming environment feel grossly different than it has up to this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    You can spend turbine points, while astral shards are mostly useless.
    Astral shards will still be more useful than plat though. They're used for all the same things plat is only they're better at it (repairs with no damage, buying/selling some bound items), and can also be used to directly obtain desirable store-only items like personal shrines and 50% xp pots. Sure what you get is random, but you can't get it at all using plat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley_Nicholas View Post
    This is kind of worrying. If astral shards become the default auction house currency, then the value of plat is really going to plummet. This is very close to turning the auction house into a real money auction, like Diablo 3. That auction setup is the reason I never have and never will play Diablo 3.
    guess if you played D3 you would know there are 2 AH and both have the same kinds of items in them it don't kill a game to have more options its closed minded people who do
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    Having a second auction house where items can be sold is a daft development. It makes it harder all around to both buy and sell. Sellers have to decide which AH to put it up in. Buyers will have a harder time because the market is split. The thing they are looking for will be fewer in number for the currency they wish to buy in.

    Why don't you just keep it simple and put astral shards in the existing AH so they can be traded for platinum. That way you don't disrupt flow of items to the existing AH. If someone has surplus astral shards they can then sell them for platinum and buy what they want that way.

    Maybe add an additional fixed astral shard surcharge in the existing AH for both buyer and seller to trade a bound bind on equip item, but which still has to be sold for platinum in the usual way.

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    Store items should also be sold for shards...
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    I'll simply say that I won't be spending cash on this.

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    the shard exchange has the regular Auction house buged not abele to buy anything from it now

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    I figured something like this would happen at some point (devaluing plat and shoving astrals down players throats) but not for a while. All I can say is...glad I got out when I did.

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    As I said elsewhere;

    There is either a valid game-design reason why mediocre items are BtCoE or not. If there is, then selling them for TP-related currency is a naked cashgrab and shameful. If there is not, then the items should be unbound.

    I support much of what Turbine does to raise money to keep the game afloat but this reeks of greed. Changing a loot system to be more grindy then selling the answer is punishing players and bad form.
    I don't like it.

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