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    Default Let us be invisible again

    this change is not cool.
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    One of the few tricks my bard had was to go invis and enter a mobbed area and sing fascinate.

    Now he dies halfway through the song...

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    I personally like the fact that you basically have to fight your way to the quests.

    But if you are in a hurry, it can be a PITA.

    I was in a PUG and we encountered a horde of around 20 fricken giants at once. It was sweeeet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOON375 View Post
    I personally like the fact that you basically have to fight your way to the quests.

    But if you are in a hurry, it can be a PITA.

    I was in a PUG and we encountered a horde of around 20 fricken giants at once. It was sweeeet.
    So, when you had invisibility available, you used it to get past fights even though you enjoyed the hacking, slashing, and maiming.

    So you prefer that invis is taken away from you so you will do the things you enjoy.

    That's some really hosed up logic right there.

    Some of us actually needed invis to get correctly set up for fights, or even have to bypass the fights because our toons are gimps.

    I guess I should just reroll a clonk or a wf sorc or fvs and be done with it.

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    Taking away the practical uses of invisibility is another step to the wrong direction, and people are rightfully thinking that DDO will become what NWO aims for.

    We dont want generic hack and slash MMO here, we want tactics and diversity, even if it wont be completely balanced for PvP (excuse me)! Invisibility tactics were always around, there are quests designed to use that (or stealth of course), it would be nice to get a dev comfirmation about this, saying that it is definitely a bug and will be reverted back soon(tm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzB View Post
    So, when you had invisibility available, you used it to get past fights even though you enjoyed the hacking, slashing, and maiming.

    So you prefer that invis is taken away from you so you will do the things you enjoy.

    That's some really hosed up logic right there.
    That explorer area is the highest difficulty in the game. Is it just possible they gave some of the mobs some buffs to beef up the difficulty?

    And here I thought the game was being dummed down to the point that people didn't like playing it.

    If you haven't noticed, when a storm Giant sees you, he starts buffing himself on his to way to you to start bashing your toon's head in.

    People ask for the difficulty to be increased, but I guess it's just at times when it's only convenient to them.

    Sure it's possible that this wasn't intended, or it could be intended. The content just launched yesterday. We will know soon enough if it's WAI or not.

    I personally hope it is intended.

    Edit: While running around on my enchant specced wizzy, it would seem that some of the mob's saves out there are pretty fricken high. Storm giants especially.
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    Wait, what? Is Invisibility broken? If so, has anyone /bugged it?

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    The thresholds have to be set far to low for their new detection algorithms. My sorc with no spot is seeing things she shouldn't be.
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    Aha so it's an issue universally but it's also killing the invis mechanism, I see. Well hopefully there's a fix incoming. Will do some tests and /bug later.

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    On second thoughts, it seems that invisibility did start to work on clothing.....male dreams came true maybe?

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    I think its reasonable that giants in a 20-25 zone can see through a level 2 spell.

    That still doesnt make most people kill mobs to get to the quests though, it just means the last person to cabal has to deal with the rofltrain that everyone else pulled there.

    So much for fixing lag by limiting the number of active mobs.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I think its reasonable that giants in a 20-25 zone can see through a level 2 spell.

    That still doesnt make most people kill mobs to get to the quests though, it just means the last person to cabal has to deal with the rofltrain that everyone else pulled there.

    So much for fixing lag by limiting the number of active mobs.
    ^^^ This is why invis was nice. Forcing us to kill trash mobs in explorer areas for the 100th time we run to a quest is not what most people consider fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anivaj View Post
    ^^^ This is why invis was nice. Forcing us to kill trash mobs in explorer areas for the 100th time we run to a quest is not what most people consider fun...
    They leash, so you can still do that if you want.

    That said I would like invis fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimkj View Post
    They leash, so you can still do that if you want.

    That said I would like invis fixed.
    I agree. The whole detection and invis thing needs to be fixed. They leash, yes, but red alert in King's forest with a full party trying to run to Unquiet Graves is not fun. Mob sizes of 20 to 40 can easily surround you, they don't leash and dying is very possible.

    Running to a quest in an explorer zone as big as King's Forest should NOT (IMO) require you to kill everything along the way. Sometimes you want to do a quest, not kill things for slayers. Another mechanism that leads to anti-grouping. Why take a full party somewhere when I can just solo or duo it without the hassle of red alert et al?

    This needs to be dialed back, big time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I think its reasonable that giants in a 20-25 zone can see through a level 2 spell.
    I think it would be just as reasonable for a lvl 25 arcane to be able to have magic means of travelling without a trace, cloaked with some kind of superior invisibility spell. Unfortunately, the devs seems to think that this lvl 2 spell is enough for epic toons as well, so we have'nt really any other means of doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I think its reasonable that giants in a 20-25 zone can see through a level 2 spell.

    That still doesnt make most people kill mobs to get to the quests though, it just means the last person to cabal has to deal with the rofltrain that everyone else pulled there.

    So much for fixing lag by limiting the number of active mobs.
    Many giants have had see invisibility for a long, long time.

    However, this is well beyond GH. It is essentially, everywhere. Their detection mechanics are not working properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    Many giants have had see invisibility for a long, long time.

    However, this is well beyond GH. It is essentially, everywhere. Their detection mechanics are not working properly.
    +1

    Giants in Gianthold have ALWAYS been able to spot invisible players. Trolls and Ogres, on the otherhand, notsomuch.

    However, after what I've read thus far, if this is the new "normal", it sucks. I like being able to hit most of the quests in GH virtually unmolested. Furthermore, I can guarantee you that this is going to be a HUGE impediment for newer players joining PUGs who don't know the map, and join the quest IP. Even for people who know the map, they'll probably be less likely to join a run IP as they will not want the hassle of spending 10 minutes hacking through mob after mob, and thereby taking an XP penalty because the group continued on to the end of the quest while the player in question was tied-up in the slayer area.

    So people will basically stop joining IP PUGs in GH. In G-Land, that's a rather sizeable chunk of the LFMs out there. Cripes, a lot of LFM listings these days are nothing more than publicized solo runs.

    It seems like Turbine is going out of their way to discourage grouping at every turn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I think its reasonable that giants in a 20-25 zone can see through a level 2 spell.
    I'll accept that as a valid argument. For the spellcasters. I otherwise doubt the idea of every single giant out there having a see invisibility clicky.

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    I just love how other people desire that THEIR play-style be forced upon everyone else in a PvE game.

    If you like fighting all the mobs on the way to a quest entrance, then YOU HAD that option before the invisibility "bug/change"... you don't cast invisibility on yourself and BAM! you can play in the MANNER YOU ENJOY. Fight everything and kill it.

    People are different. Some don't like explorer zones... or they don't like spending 10 minutes getting to a quest... their fun is doing quests, not getting slayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylstrem View Post
    I just love how other people desire that THEIR play-style be forced upon everyone else in a PvE game.

    If you like fighting all the mobs on the way to a quest entrance, then YOU HAD that option before the invisibility "bug/change"... you don't cast invisibility on yourself and BAM! you can play in the MANNER YOU ENJOY. Fight everything and kill it.

    People are different. Some don't like explorer zones... or they don't like spending 10 minutes getting to a quest... their fun is doing quests, not getting slayers.
    ^^^^ Hit the nail on the head. Running to the quests in the Kings Forest for the 10th time having to mess with all the "see invis" drow was a PITA and not fun. I dont want to be forced to fight 100s of mobs that give me nothing, i.e. no xp and no loot. (No xp due to the fact I'm in my primary ED to run EEs.) This might be fun for others, but don't hinder my enjoyment in the process...
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