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    Shiradi is very funny destiny, but if u want to get max from it u need spellpower and META's. Warforged is a nice race for both sorc and wiz, can't TR other chars, so 1st life. Have no idea about Wizards, my epic caster is a Sorc. I imagine ShiradiArchmage build this way, but i see problems in enhancements. Also there is no good AOE at all, need to fix that. Conjuration+Web SLA with all DC bonuses is for FirstLife-No-SpellPen Crowd Control even with 2 feats and lots of AP/SP spent. I'm asking for advices/critics but with savind the main idea of this build - a Caster spamming missiles with self-repair and some crowd control on first life(so no spellpen) and with only +3 tomes.
    I gave some thoughts to /2Rogue splash for Evasion(with Ins.Reflex) and also some trap skills... but i already have rogue/evasion chars so am not sure about this. How it will affect the main purpose of this build? Will it lower my DPS/Usefulness? Will i be able to get useful Reflex save and trap Skills w/o raid gear? Also what about 2 feats? +Ins.Reflex -20WizBonusFeat. Extend/what else?

    is Force AP crit line working on Meteor Swarm? I miss acid for Rain/CloudKill/Fog and Fire for cloud/wall.

    And how to lvl such character? Ofcoz u can change feat/enhancements later .. Lvl it as Firewall+Acid Rain Fire+Acid lines Archmage with Web sla?

    Level 25 True Neutral Warforged Male (20 Wizard \ 5 Epic) - Shiradi Force Archmage with Web
    Hit Points: 372 \ Spell Points: 2035

    Strength 14
    Dexterity 8
    Constitution 18
    Intelligence 18
    Wisdom 6
    Charisma 6


    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20

    Skill points level 20(so +5 epic after this) w/o stat mods
    Balance 11
    Concentration 23
    Diplomacy 11
    Haggle 11
    Jump 9
    Search 10
    Swim 10
    Tumble 1
    Use Magic Device 11

    Level 1 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Core Free Meta's on SLA's and DoT's
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness 3 feats total for 460 sp.. good enough imho. dont have a lot of SP pots..
    Level 3 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation Core for Missile SLA
    Level 5 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell Core Free Meta's on SLA's and DoT's
    Level 6 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness for extra HP's(+20 from AP)
    Level 9 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness 3 feats total for 460 sp.. good enough imho. dont have a lot of SP pots..
    Level 10 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Conjuration Core for Web SLA
    Level 12 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration Core for Web DC/Prestige Sp
    Level 15 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell Core for Web DC
    Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell for faster Self-Repair with Reconstruct
    Level 18 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation Core for Missile SLA
    Level 20 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Maybe for Rage/Haste/Displacement?
    Level 21 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic Mental Toughness 3 feats total for 460 sp.. good enough imho. dont have a lot of SP pots..
    Level 24 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness if can get 50 hp for just 1 feat.. why not? or Epic Int to even out..


    Enhancement: Wizard Master of Magic Capstone
    Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering II For Niac/Eladar dots
    Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II For Niac/Eladar dots
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II enough?
    Enhancement: Improved Concentration III Prestige only
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I Niac/Icestorm/Polar
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I Niac/Icestorm/Polar
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice I Niac/Icestorm/Polar
    Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I Eladar
    Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting I Eladar
    Enhancement: Deadly Shocks I Eladar
    Enhancement: Force Manipulation VII Missiles/Disintegration/Shiradi Proc's
    Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting VI Missiles/Disintegration/Shiradi Proc's
    Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics VI Missiles/Disintegration/Shiradi Proc's
    Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I self-repair,1/0/0 is enough usually?
    Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III Prestige only
    Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III Prestige/DC/SP
    Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I Arcane Spell Failure = 0
    Enhancement: Wizard Archmage IV №4 only for SP
    Enhancement: Archmage Secondary Spell Mastery I: Evocation Prestige only
    Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery I: Conjuration Core CC
    Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery II: Conjuration Core CC DC?
    Enhancement: Conjuration I - Grease for Core CC
    Enhancement: Conjuration II - Web Core CC
    Enhancement: Evocation I - Magic Missile Core DPS/Shiradi
    Enhancement: Evocation II - Gust of Wind Prestige only
    Enhancement: Evocation III - Chain Missiles Core DPS/Shiradi


    p.s. As usual - thx to Ron for his planner =)

    p.p.s. Read many posts about META's affecting Shiradi procs only if they were turned on that spell u cast. Magic/chain missiles - are the best ShiradiProc spells(with Force Missiles ofcoz too), also Web is nice CC. and only Archmage can have cheap Missiles with META's on and Heightened Web.
    So do i understand it right, that archmage is better for Shiradi considering this ^?
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    Keeping in mind your main goal of "spamming missiles with self-repair and some crowd control on first life(so no spellpen) and with only +3 tomes," there are a few things you might want to consider changing.

    The 18/2 rogue splash has a lot of appeal. You're not relying on dc casting in Shiradi and you will most likely be drawing a lot of aggro. In this instance, you may get more benefit from survivability than from the wizard capstone. You lose a feat, but the build you're looking at isn't particularly feat-starved. It depends a lot on your play style and what you want to do with the build. If you want more of a spellsword battlecaster, I'd go 18/2. If you prefer to stay out of the melee fray, stay pure.

    In terms of feats, consider dumping greater conjuration focus for insightful reflexes and lose epic mental toughness if you go with the rogue splash. That would require taking a primary in evocation and secondary in conjuration...which still gives you the web sla. As a side note, the reason you need greater evo focus is for the chain missile sla.

    You may want to shuffle enhancement points around. Setting Force to 7/3/3 and losing improved empowering and improved maximizing would free up a healthy number of points which might serve you better in bumping up another elemental line (or two) and possibly putting a few points in healers friend to keep the divines quiet. Improved empowering/maximizing is a lot of AP to invest, especially if you're going to be fishing for procs in Shiradi.



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    Doing a rogue splash will always hurt your casting ability. Generally speaking not a lot, but it's always a trade. On the other hand, it's almost impossible to not have good trap skills on an 18/2 wizrogue.

    Definitely squeeze in Insightful Reflexes, rogue splash or no rogue splash. You need GSF Evo to get SLA Chain Missiles, so that has to stay. Extend is thus your least useful feat, you'll get 1,000,000x more out of IR than Extend as an Archmage.

    Rather than Improved Max and Empower 2, I would get 7/1/1 Cold and Electric. Shiradi on an Evo AM is all about cheap DPS, combine that with going all the way to epic MT and you're not going to have SP issues.

    Just because you're first life doesn't necessarily mean you'll have no spell pen. 20 level + 5 in destiny + 8 feat is already 33, you can get a lot done with that. If you're going with this build because it's what you want, that's fine, just don't think you have to stay away from SR spells to be successful on a first life.

    While leveling I preferred Ice Storm over Wall of Fire except for special cases such as Delera's or Shadow Crypt, but Web & AoE is the general idea, yes.

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    Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Archmage Shiradi with Evasion
    (2 Rogue \ 18 Wizard) Hit Points: 226  \Spell Points: 1543 
    
       
    Abilities        Base Stats         
    (32 Point)               
    Strength             14             
    Dexterity             8             
    Constitution         18             
    Intelligence         18             
    Wisdom                6             
    Charisma              6             
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Haggle (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Swim (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+0.5)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Evocation
    
    
    Level 3 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
    
    
    Level 4 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 5 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    
    
    Level 7 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
    
    
    Level 9 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
    
    
    Level 10 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
    
    
    Level 11 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Conjuration
    
    
    Level 12 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
    
    
    Level 13 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 14 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
    
    
    Level 16 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
    
    
    Level 17 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
    
    
    Level 19 (Wizard)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: INT
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+11)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
    Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
    Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
    Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
    Enhancement: Deadly Ice I
    Enhancement: Storm Manipulation VII
    Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting I
    Enhancement: Deadly Shocks I
    Enhancement: Force Manipulation VII
    Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting VI
    Enhancement: Deadly Kinetics V
    Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
    Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
    Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
    Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
    Enhancement: Wizard Archmage IV
    Enhancement: Archmage Secondary Spell Mastery I: Evocation
    Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery I: Conjuration
    Enhancement: Conjuration I - Grease
    Enhancement: Conjuration II - Web
    Enhancement: Evocation I - Magic Missile
    Enhancement: Evocation II - Gust of Wind
    Enhancement: Evocation III - Chain Missiles
    
    
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    Will comment it more later. but generally.. 23 in Spot/Disable/Search/Concentration/UMD. low Balance/Open Lock/Jump and other skills. Should i change anything?
    Rogue 2nd lvl on 20.. i know i want evasion as early as possible..how should i optimize it without loosing skill points?
    No Greater Spell Focus:Conjuration/Archmage Spell Mastery II: Conjuration, so thats -2 DC on Web/any other Conjuration i'll use(i can think only about TrapTheSoul and Cloudkill). or maybe i should drop any other feat?
    Enhancements better this time? 7/1/1 Air/Water,7/5/5 Force,1/0/0 Repair. Maximize/Empower 1. w/o Capstone and 2nd discount and lower SP,comparing to pure..heh, less Niac/Eladar/Polar spamming).
    About stats - maybe Con 20/Int 18/Str 8? +2 Str tome/Ship buff/Rage and +Any equipment..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hime View Post
    So do i understand it right, that archmage is better for Shiradi considering this ^?
    Your build looks effective and viable, and is pretty close to how I would do a shiradi AM.

    But, sorc is probably still better, more sp, better casting speed. Savant wings/SLAs. Can splash 2 pally for nice saves boost.

    Sure you get free metas but the cooldowns for the SLAs are quite long (they nerfed them a year ago maybe, SLA MMs and CMs cost MORE than other archmage SLAs and have longer cooldowns). Whereas sorc can cast force/Magic missles (unmetaed for 4/8 sp) back to back to back...the missles themselves do less due to no max/emp, BUT that doesn't matter much really...the damage is in the procs. You can't spam SLAs...would need to do something like....

    SLA magic missle
    SLA chain missle
    magic missle
    chain missle
    SLA magic missle
    force missle
    SLA chain missle...

    etc etc...
    SLA magic missle
    SLA chain missle
    SLA magic missle
    SLA chain missle...

    results in a lot of waiting around and dps lost.


    Some benefits of wizard:

    -can get decent CC from web (but nerve venom is plenty I've found)
    -can get insightful reflexes and get great reflex and stay pure (or splash for evasion) [take this either way, splashed or not, it is ~+15-20 to reflex, the most important save]
    -better overall DCs (can maybe instakill softer targets in EE, wail at least is effective.)
    -potential trapskills
    -more spell slots

    I had an evoc AM ~ a year ago and after they nerfed the SLAs (still really ****ed about that...not like most wizards were evoc archmages...or even archmages at all...just a kick in the nuts for a few people that played them) I TRed him...might TR him back to evoc AM now that shiradi makes it viable but I really do think sorc is a more effective route...I'd love to be proven wrong though, I have fond memories of free SLAs .

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    I preferred to go with 18wiz/2monk on my own shiradi archmage, using the 2 monk bonus feats for toughness... naturally he's not a trapper but has better overall saves & a nice chunk of extra HP (2nd toughness plus earth stance while using a stave).

    Spells-wise, my main ones in addition to the various magic/chain missiles (spellbook & SLAs) are eladars & niacs DoTs for bosses & large-hp enemies, black dragon bolt, meteor swarm, scorching ray, frost lance, electric loop, acid blast, ice storm, firewall, incendiary cloud, acid fog, sonic blast... i generally turn metamagics off for them, as its not the spells that you want to be doing the damage directly, but instead large numbers of hits, cheaply & in quick succession to maximise the chance of the shiradi procs occurring.
    I don't mean to come across as unsympathetic - but I am, so I do.

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