Greyhawk always felt more "gritty" to me. A kind of darker fantasy setting and less "high magic" (ie, not every shopkeeper has a +1 sword under the counter).
That said, I'd still love to see Greyhawk included in DDO. Tomb of Horrors in particular. Heck, Gianthold is pretty much G1-G3 (Against the Giants) already.
I mean, the only ones that seemed able to jump worlds were the ones writing for both World A and Ravenloft. (characters got transported to->from afterall)
I participated in the beta test this past weekend and my take is a bit different than OP.
I don't view Neverwinter as a direct competitor of DDO even though it also has a D&D theme - it seems like a game that will cater largely to different people with some overlap of potential customers.
DDOs big competitive advantage: Character customization, multiple difficulty levels and a virtually unlimited amount of gear to grind for (ie., you will never get enough). DDO will always win if someone wants a deep game where the player wants to focus on building up their character. It is highly achievement focused. Neverwinter is not.
Neverwinter's big advantage is ease of entry into the game and the foundry. It will appeal to casual gamers, people that can only spend 10 or less hours per week playing, people that want to build adventures for their friends (foundry) and people that want to always try something new (since the # of foundry quests is likely to be enormous). The biggest disadvantage I saw is that PVP will be entirely pay to win. Buying things will make absolutely no difference for PVE.
Expect DDO to add something like the foundry as soon as they can possibly do it. It is the closest thing to P&P D&D I've seen online. This past weekend we were able to run foundry quests created by alpha testers, but couldn't create our own. I don't know if this is because it is too buggy or they were worried they wouldn't get people running the content if the foundry was open.
I think both games will thrive and do well.
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Depends on what you mean by "all" and "original".all the original modules were set there
Greyhawk (which make no mistake, I will take GH over FR ANY DAY OF THE WEEK) was not more gritty than FR. It was more Neutral as opposed to the more black and white of the Realms. That certainly changes the feel, but GH was just as High Fantasy as the Realms were initially. Eventually the Realms became even higher fantasy, but you also have to remember that while FR flourished,. GH was largely allowed to stagnate, otherwise it would have gone down the same path.Greyhawk always felt more "gritty" to me. A kind of darker fantasy setting and less "high magic" (ie, not every shopkeeper has a +1 sword under the counter).
Not so much, no. Vaguely inspired by maybe, but that's about it.Heck, Gianthold is pretty much G1-G3 (Against the Giants) already.
And to whatshisface, no, DDO does not need to move more into FR. Just. . . no.
Personally, if there are going to be any more extra-planar expansions, I desperately wish they'd stay away form the Realms. The Realms (at least the parts we seem to be getting) are dreadfully dull. Ohh, cheatingly designed drow! What a new and shocking twist!
No, we need to visit one or more of the following: Sigil, Athas, or that craziness that was Spelljammer. I vote for Athas.
If we have to stick with the Realms, then let us visit Thay, or Maztica, or (my preference) Kara Tur.
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Alright, well just a few comments.
1. 4th Edition is just about the worst steaming pile of *insert noun here* that I have ever had the displeasure of playing. Everyone dies constantly and then pops back up, abilities are like a video game etc. My friends and everyone I have played with says its like playing WoW on tabletop and would make a better videogame than a RPG. That being said, maybe it will translate better into online gaming.
2. DDO when it first came out.. didn't it like have at least a year or 2 before raids were even implemented? I am pretty sure it was a while.
3. Forgotten Realms, while certainly the most colorful and has the biggest fan following is also the most hardcore set-in-stone system out there. It has in-depth storylines and NPCs that are rock solid and fully flushed out. Any changes made to the world in game would have to either follow a storyline that we all know the answers to, or has to be completely made up (which most fanboys will hate).
Personally I love FR and have always loved it. But we will have to see.
I remember when DDO first came out. 50% of the "reviews" by Tabletop gaming geeks thought it sucked hardcore. The other 50% thought it was great.
2 - No, No, No as Eberron already has a semi-themed Spelljammer feel to it and is not one of the most popular aspects of DDO. Hmmm, House Cannith showed a lack of interest in techno-magic as we all know.
3 - You contradict yourself but you helped to make my point. By expanding into The Forgotten Realms of course that means Thay, Maztica, Chult, more of Cormyr, Tantris, Waterdeep, Shadowdale, Icewind Dales, etc...
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Reviews are interesting and all, but I don't make judgements until I try it. It's f2p after all. So trying it seems rather painless. What do I have to lose? Some of my precious free time? Might be a nice diversion. Might not.
I intend to find out when it goes Live.
Forget Neverwinter, this is a Greyhawk love thread!
To me FR always smacked of Monty Hall. It was a big bucket with every DnD and fantasy trope thrown in, and then a big injection of steroids for good measure.
I prefer Eberron over FR because it feels more coherent. Athas even more so. But I practically imbibed Greyhawk with my mother's milk, and it will always be "home." Would love to see it come to life in DDO, but yeah, that ain't happening.
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I played in the first public beta session of this last weekend 2-8-13 thru 2-10-13. They did not have the Control Wizard available for play. They also didn't have the Drow available yet.
My impressions are that the combat system is sub-par to DDO's. The game plays very similar to one of their other titles, Champions Online. They did have mounts available (level gated must be 15th level), and as stated in the video, everyone gets to have companions.
The powers that you get, as you level up are preset to specific ones but I am not sure if this is the end design or not. You only have access to a limited number at any given time, and some of the available power slots are level gated. Example is that you only have one daily power slot available until you hit ~20th level.
It is my opinion that the game does not hold a candle to DDO in most of the ways that count; character customization, progression path freedom, etc... Yes the graphics are nice and you get things that DDO lacks such as mounts, but these do not outweigh the other areas were it is lacking.
Oh, one thing I neglected to mention, they have built into the system (from day one) to support player generated content. They call the system "The Foundery".
Well, "original" to me was AD&D (that's where I started playing), with the A, B, C, D, etc module series'. Against the Drow, Against the Giants, Secret of the Slavers, Tomb of Horrors, etc.Depends on what you mean by "all" and "original".
Well, that's down to personal feeling then. Greyhawk always felt "grittier" to me. Probably because it wasn't so black and white. The FR was pretty much "ultra high fantasy" from the get-go when it was released. The gray box version (the first full incarnation of it as far as I know) had super-high magic everywhere. Pretty much every little village had at least a 7-8th level wizard (or higher), mercenary companies were outfitted with magic items for every soldier (there was one we used to make fun of that was like 3000 members, and it said that ALL of them had at least +1 armor/weapons, higher for the sergeants/leaders), etc.Greyhawk (which make no mistake, I will take GH over FR ANY DAY OF THE WEEK) was not more gritty than FR. It was more Neutral as opposed to the more black and white of the Realms. That certainly changes the feel, but GH was just as High Fantasy as the Realms were initially. Eventually the Realms became even higher fantasy, but you also have to remember that while FR flourished,. GH was largely allowed to stagnate, otherwise it would have gone down the same path.
But considering that we now have a kind of "planewalking" element to DDO, I'd LOVE to see them run with that concept. Let us visit Greyhawk, Darksun, Ravenloft, Sigil, etc.
A bit more than "vaguely" imo, but meh. I like fighting giants. More giants!Not so much, no. Vaguely inspired by maybe, but that's about it.
The "CO-era Cryptic" has been nothing but garbage. CO was a badly-designed, poorly-implemented game that flopped. STO was a badly-designed, poorly-implemented game that flopped. I see the same thing happening to NWO.
Eberron is a fine and interesting setting for an MMO. The variety of locales is pretty impressive, made even moreso by the occasional coterminous plane. I like that things are more ambiguous and not black and white. Compared to what I've seen from the FR (barring the excellent Underdark and Demonweb) I enjoy the Eberron content more.
Maybe we just picked a humdrum corner of the FR.
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