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    Default (rant) So, giving chests after completed quest is greed...

    I'm warning you, I'm angry, and its my rant here.

    I was farming weapons shipment to get bauble, then I'm usually putting LFM after it was done, and pop chests with whoever joined in 5 minutes.

    People gets money, arrowheads, boots mats and vendor trash and I got better chance to pull item.
    But today, it turns out I'm an evil person because of that.

    Few minutes later after I looted and recalled the guy was sending me some tells. I don't know how much, because i squelched him after 1st one.

    I really don't know what to say.
    I'm not forcing anyone to join, I'm not forbiding anyone to complete quest on their own, and farming their baubles. Everyone who joined was usually happy about getting chests without putting much effort into doing something, they seemed to be sad that they can't pass me bauble I'm after.

    I don't know what caused this noob's behaviour.
    Is it trend to want rewards handed to some players with 0 contribution, is just trolling, or maybe wanting something in return for loot is indeed greed? I doubt it, but the world seem to be changing too fast for me to catch up.

    rant off

    I'm going to farm this quest until I get that item. I just don't know should I give out chests to people.

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    Some people are jerks. Always will be.
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    What's greedy is putting up a "PASS X OR DON'T JOIN" lfm before you even start the quest. I see way too many of those. Really, you want me to drag your sorry ass through the quest and then have dibs on my loot?

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    So, 5 people you don't even know basically get free loot for zero effort, and that makes *you* "greedy?"

    Wow...I mean...uh...just, "wow."

    A true sign that the world is spiraling down into unhinged idiocy...
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    You should be ashamed of yourself! How dare you help out people who you have never met before by allowing them to get free loot! You truly are a greedy, greedy person...
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    LFMs like these attract conflict. Your own fault. Further, caps usually is interpreted as being yelled at. I do not like being yelled at instead I pretty much like being asked for something politely.

    I can understand that unwarranted attacks by private messages is jerky, but if that is your LFM in the screenshot then you are as much responsible for giving conflict potential then the other person is crossing lines.

    I cannot share your victim-tag that you might want to earn here. You are responsible for your own LFMs and the consequences that are following according to LFM text.
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    A few years ago I was on my fighter and joined one of these groups and the bauble popped for me, but as soon as I clicked the chest the group leader started screaming about how I HAVE to give it to him, so I looted it left the quest and sold it to junk vender, all the while I was telling him how much I was getting for it. hey you can put up what ever you want but i guarantee you that if I joined and got the Bauble I would keep it and tell you where you can put your little "rule"

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    Have you considered your wording in your lfm? When I used to put up lfm's in hopes of pulling a bauble I always phrased them similar to, "Please help me pull a bauble" or "Trying to pull the bauble, any help appreciated."

    I've found that lfm's with this type of phrasing attract little to no hostile tells. Now, if I hadn't had a few occasions where that item dropped and was looted by a non blue bar I'd still be doing them. These days I just ask my guildies for help.
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    Your LFM. Your rules.

    If people don't like it, they don't have to join. However, people are allowed to be offended by whatever they want, even actions that others would never, ever take any offense to. For cases like that, I'd like to propose a "supersquelch" option that allows you to completely ignore another player, all his alts, all his LFM's any group he happens to be in and make his avatars invisible and non interactable to you in the world. And if someone harasses you about your LFM again, just link him the command for "supersquelch", add him to your "supersquelch" list and pretend he doesn't exist anymore. He'll be doing the same to you.
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    Default No need to be angry...

    ...Terms of your LFM were clearly stated. Expectations were set...and you're offering free loot. I'm ecstatic to join these runs and would happily pass the bauble, even if on my Sorc.

    Some people see an LFM or a trade offer in chat and feel the need to comment. Don't know why. No one is asking for their jackass opinion, but it is the Internet and as long as there's no accountability, trolls will troll.

    Squelch and move on...and please PLEASE keep posting these runs. LOVE EM!

    Good luck on your loot!

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    well i guess i agree with what the majority of people who post in these type of threads say

    op ran the quest ...op killed everything...op stated clearly the conditions for joining ..and forced no one to join..anyone joining and not abiding or complaining about ops request is griefing and just joined with the hope of causing drama...

    the spot the griefer /whiner took could have been taken by someone who would have abided by ops request

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomatt72 View Post
    A few years ago I was on my fighter and joined one of these groups and the bauble popped for me, but as soon as I clicked the chest the group leader started screaming about how I HAVE to give it to him, so I looted it left the quest and sold it to junk vender, all the while I was telling him how much I was getting for it. hey you can put up what ever you want but i guarantee you that if I joined and got the Bauble I would keep it and tell you where you can put your little "rule"
    Please list your characters for the good of all.


    If someone has already completed the quest (as in the OP), and is just looking for extra chances to loot a particular item, why on earth would you join (knowing those are the expectations) just so you can pull the item yourself?
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    I have joined one of Vellrad's LFMs like that.

    You are not "helping" him complete.

    He does the quest...and sits at the end waiting on people to join...enter the slayer area...then get to quest...and then open chest.

    The time I went, I was hoping to get an Arrowhead (didn't get...oh noes...I lost 3 minutes of time!).

    His LFM is not, "Help me do quest and give me your loot".

    His LFM is"Quest already done, free chest...I just want XXXX item"

    If you are not willing to pass that item...DONT HIT THE LFM You are taking up the slot of someone who would love the chance at an Arrowhead or basically a free high level chest.

    PS...I have run with V a ton. He is the type of guy that puts Raid Loot up for roll that he doesn't need. He is not a loot ***** at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomatt72 View Post
    A few years ago I was on my fighter and joined one of these groups and the bauble popped for me, but as soon as I clicked the chest the group leader started screaming about how I HAVE to give it to him, so I looted it left the quest and sold it to junk vender, all the while I was telling him how much I was getting for it. hey you can put up what ever you want but i guarantee you that if I joined and got the Bauble I would keep it and tell you where you can put your little "rule"
    Did you help complete the quest...or just join the lfm and walk to the end?
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    hmmm...

    I think everyone has the right to put up whatever they want...

    And the players have the ability to treat the "rules" however they wish...


    However, if you do not honour what you agree to... it will catch up to you.


    I never join those unless I am willing to abide - I have done free chest ones several times, every time I am happy for free loot chance (usually I am between tasks anyhow and it is nice diversion) Personally, I am hoping I find the item for them and there is merriment and celebration all around...that was the whole point? Right?

    I laugh at the "do the quest and give me the loot" ones - but only laugh, I do not join...


    I guess the only exception could be - if you tell the party up front that you personally are not going to follow said stupid rule and they keep you for quest anyhow...that could be a fair transaction.
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    Normally I am a 'You pull it and it is yours' kinda gamer but in this case that doesn't work. The later joiners contributed nothing, he had already beaten everything for them. IMHO you give him the Bauble and thank him for the free loot.

    Of course since the game isn't set up that way, buttheads will be buttheads.

    Good luck hunting it down OP.

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    This is an ongoing issue. However much better than players who want you to participate fully and still demand your loot.

    On the one hand, I can certainly understand player frustration with not getting their desired drops; Turbine has grown a bit stingy with named drops lately, in addition to not enough players playing the game anymore to meet overall farming needs of the average player. And here's what you wind up with.

    On the other hand, we live in an era of 'entitlement' where everyone believes they are a star or are important due to a few hundred social networking 'friends' on facebook all stroking each other's ego incessantly. Perhaps they even built a webpage or two or an app, or some other pointless achievement that, forgive the bluntness here, is unworthy of the attentions of society at all. That entitlement philosophy tends to seep into other areas of life, including online gaming and, well, then this is what you wind up with.

    Barring any change of the aforementioned, what Turbine should do.. what Turbine *should have done* long ago.. is to hide the loot in the chest making it visible only to the receiver. Meaning you can't see what others get, and they can't see what you get, because quite frankly its none of your business what I get, and its none of my business what you get either. And if no one is aware of what anyone else gets, then they can't demand anything.

    So that's the change Turbine needs to make to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwiebelring View Post
    LFMs like these attract conflict. Your own fault. Further, caps usually is interpreted as being yelled at. I do not like being yelled at instead I pretty much like being asked for something politely.

    I can understand that unwarranted attacks by private messages is jerky, but if that is your LFM in the screenshot then you are as much responsible for giving conflict potential then the other person is crossing lines.

    I cannot share your victim-tag that you might want to earn here. You are responsible for your own LFMs and the consequences that are following according to LFM text.
    I love these types of responses.

    As an analogy...

    ...not too long ago we had a bunch of people speeding down my street. We called the police. An officer came out, and explained to me that they didn't have the resources to place a car there to catch speeders. I told the officer that these speeders were dangerous. We have kids (namely my kids, but others as well) in the neighborhood, and they ride tgheir bikes down that same street. We also have people who go for evening walks that travel down that street as well (no sidewalks).

    I was informed by the police officer that riding a bike on the street or taking a walk down the street is a dangerous activity.

    I replied, "so now I can't walk down my own street, but people can barrel down this street all day, and you won't do anything about it?"

    The officer didn't know how to respond to the question. He didn't know how to respond because his only option was to penalize decent people. Getting up off his a** and actually taking care of the problem in question was too much effort. In short, the officer decided to side with the people BREAKING THE FRICKIN' LAW because actually doing something about the problem required him to do his job.

    The OP did nothing wrong. People joining got free loot, all he wanted was the bauble. He did all the work getting there. And some sanctimonious a** came along and decided in an instant that the OP was greedy.

    What's worse is that you found it appropriate to take the side of the sanctimonious a** beccause, well, it is a lot easier to criticize the OP for opening up the can of worms in the first place. If we listened to people like you more often, no one would put up an LFM at all because SOMEONE might take offense to it. And yeah, there is someone idiotic enough top take offense to LFMs with no restrictions.

    All it takes is someone with a bug up there a** about something, and enough people like you to enable their bad behavior.

    You are a truely "brave" individual.

    As to the parable of the officer and the speeder, I went to the police station, made a frickin' stink. A couple of days later, there was a cruiser sitting right outside my front door. A couple of days after that, no more speeders.

    Gosh. Imagine that.
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    Yea, absol nada wrong with your intent.
    The wording however, does sound a bit obnoxious compared to others who post similar.
    Sorry you had to go through that.

    Someones already pointed out the Caps and the Pontificating voice used.

    So yea, someone took offense. Blow it off, or reword next time.

    And gl on your Baub
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