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    I like idea of new tomes each 1k favor, it adds reason to run conent, but I would rather prefered to see +2=>+3 and +3=>+4 instead of normal +3s and +4s, because, it would be a bit to east to aquire them.
    And of course, in this variant, upgrades should be btc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Please make some kind of change to make them(the favor) useful.

    (I would simply settle for them being unbound)
    I agree.

    A favor system rehaul has been requested many times. I suggested a differentiation between Account and Character 3-4(?) years ago now. Done right, it could be successfully incorporated into a reward system that has synergy with the Store as well, making Turbine money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    Your favor marks are very close to my original suggestion on this matter. Then someone pointed to me that those values are too easy to achieve for a +3/+4 tome.

    Putting the tomes at each 1k marks makes tracking easier, and if you are in a TR train, you still need to make some effort to reach those favor marks (by running more quests instead of farming the same 50 ones).

    I wouldn't change the 1750 mark for 32-pts builds, or the 2500 mark for FvS.

    I also don't like the idea of giving grater essences, since you could just sell those on the AH. It would inflate the market very fast. Keeping the purified shards is a bonus because they are one of the hardest ingredients for you to get. You need to sacrifice eberron shards (very rare collectables), or tomes for them. Again, if you don't use them, get the tome or the renown.
    I've broken down exactly one BtC tome {that the character I had it on couldn't use it} - I have 3 or 4 Purified Ebs!
    The rest were all Random Drops!

    Purified Ebs are used in One {that I know of} Recipe! - Holy Burst - Most Players won't reach the crafting Level to even be able to make use of this!
    And of those who do get this far - Chances are 2 Purified Ebs is all they'll ever need!

    Greater Essences are pretty well set for Price - We all know their worth - Having a few more available thanks to a favour reward where most people will be picking something else off the list isn't going to make much of a difference in my view.
    Lesser Essences now...AH prices for those are already beyond ridiculous most of the time!

    1000 Favour requires no effort whatsoever for a TR - You can pass this at Lvl 8-9 while running a Bravery Streak!
    Still - It's not going to get done in a day by the majority of players {not in a week}.

    I didn't say anything about losing 32 pt build or FavSoul - These would still be at those points - Just as they are now!


    When I first started playing DDO the people {gamers from the local club} who introduced me to it advised me to Buy a Supreme Tome - I did - for my first two characters!
    I was also advised of course to buy 32pt Build and FavSoul!
    Those characters can NEVER benefit from earning 1750 favour!
    The current BtC stinks to high heaven! It's wrong to punish those of us who used the DDOStore! - Before Tomes remained through TRs there was a reason to collect these Tomes - Now there isn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    Before Tomes remained through TRs there was a reason to collect these Tomes - Now there isn't!
    This.

    The game has evolved beyond the need for +2 Tomes as the only reward at this level. A +1 [2 to 3] option would be reasonable considering the amount of TR'd toons. And by all means create another higher option at a later favor point for a +3 Tome or +1 [3 to 4] BtC tome upgrade option.

    I have a crafter that can use the Purified shards but I have over 30 them on my account now and probably won't need all of those so it would be nice to have the option of something more useful. There should be a few additional carrots for that milestone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    I'd settle for BtA!

    Unbound isn't settling in my view.
    Yeah, BTA is fine with me.

    Sorta.

    I'm an alt-a-holic. Suits me just fine to have something I can send to an alt.

    But some people stick with only one character. Would be nice if they changed them in a way those people found useful as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hafeal View Post
    I agree.

    A favor system rehaul has been requested many times. I suggested a differentiation between Account and Character 3-4(?) years ago now. Done right, it could be successfully incorporated into a reward system that has synergy with the Store as well, making Turbine money.
    I am on the fence about a complete favor overhaul.

    But... they severaly nerfed favor along the way as the game went FtP.
    They also left several things either unfixed or next to meaningless.


    For instance, there is a guy in House P who cannot be used until you reach a certain amount of House P favor. An amount that is unknwon to me what it is, but it is apparently unobtainable.

    Not that the guy matters, because a similar character in the desert is usable but completely meaningless IMO.

    (both offer, supposedly better chance of repaing certain items. A level of repair that aparently was not as good as the bartender in Meridia when the Vale came out. This was before bound items were changed to not take permanent damage... thus... meaningless)


    Ship buffs totally made House P/J buffs useless for most players.
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    +2 tomes are easier to get now. Most people buy them in the store before they get 1750 favor. Now the tomes follow you through TRing...

    Now the only favor that matters is backpack, bank space and 10 extra HP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post

    Purified Ebs are used in One {that I know of} Recipe! - Holy Burst - Most Players won't reach the crafting Level to even be able to make use of this!
    A lot of the top[tier recipies required purified dragon shards but you are probably right about most never getting to that crafting level. Furthermore, there is currently little incentive to work that hard on your crafting skill anyway with so little worth making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    P.S. I've found 3 or 4 Purified Ebs in Random Loot - I have a Crafter {70/70/73} But still haven't used any of these!
    If you ever start crafting past the 100 level range you'll need these. At one point I had something like 200+ and i used most of them for just a few levels. They go quickly if your goal is leveling crafting.

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    I'm going to go the route that I always have on this issue... no, no, NO, NO!!

    The overall favor rewards are account unlocks, with the exception of the tome. It was a freebie item back in the day as a way to help give a little boost to characters getting to that favor point. Its NOT an entitlement, it is a bonus. Just like other bonuses in life if you dont get benefit from it... you shrug and move on.

    I get annoyed that everything has to ALWAYS be improving the power level of some character. This is clear case where it benefits new players but not so much on old players. I LOVE that... newbies can get a small boost, and some vets can make use of it too on new characters.

    Its not Turbines fault if you CHOOSE to tome up via other means before taking full advantage of the tome. If you TR then I think the tome was a second, third, etc spiffy bonus that again is just that... a BONUS!! To expect that it must ALWAYS benefit you is a joke and slightly annoying mindset.
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    I always assumed you took the 1750 favor tome and applied a +3 upgrade then a +4 upgrade then a +5 upgrade tome.

    Until you have +5 to all stats, a +2 tome that is bound to character still has some worth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

    • 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
    • 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
    • 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
    • 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
    • 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.


    This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.
    i agree with being btc the reward (u get some server wide rewards, like champion and fvs)
    i agree with adding more options to favor rewards(+2 tomes left being useful long ago, in fact were cheaper in the ah when the drop % was lower rofl), basically all my toons have +2 tomes, they're mules, they don't need it, but ain't gonna sell a +2 tome in the ah for seing later the same tome at inflated price; idc if it drops under the rocks, if someone wants to make money, at least let him/her drop it and do what he/she wants

    so i have the +2 tome being useless since 3-4th life in my main, and a while ago in my mules, +1, +2 and +1 to +2 drop way too easy, didn't know about the eberron shards, but in fact idc, it's cannith, actually the worst crafting tool, and that shards only are useful to lvl up, cause the recipes are useless


    but i'm terrible sorry, can't agree with adding 4 and 5 tomes to favor rewards, they have to drop, or be bought, if not turbine would be kinda retarded lol

    addind +3 as reward? ok, but more than 3k pls, i get 3k favor every life, cause i prefer variety instead farming, sometimes i stay at 2,8 or 2,9k because skipped some quests at lower lvls(and no, not gonna run em for favor, ty) and some ppl tr with the "Single run style" that's more than 4k/life

    so that's what i tried to say, hope someone understood me XD
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    I agre that a lot of favor marks should be improved, and that they should work more as convenience stuff than must-haves.

    My point about tomes is more based on two reasons: They need to add a +1 tome before 1750, just for flavor (1k is a nice mark for this), and we have +3 tomes at the store.

    I don't mind if they don't follow the suggestion for the +4 tome, but I believe +1s and +3s should be added there.
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    BTA tomes or Upgrade to +3 as an option is my vote. I don't think we need to go to upgrade to +4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syllph View Post
    If you ever start crafting past the 100 level range you'll need these. At one point I had something like 200+ and i used most of them for just a few levels. They go quickly if your goal is leveling crafting.
    Excuse me BUT unless I'm going to be crafting for other players there's no way I'm going to ever need a Crafting Level that high is there?

    I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.

    And really - If Purified Ebs are only of use for people who want to craft Unbound items then they really shouldn't be counted on these forums as a good reward {The vast majority of players will never use them!}.


    You must get a lot of tomes btw if you had 200+ Purified Ebs!
    Either that or they're far more common in random loot than other people in this thread are making out {and thus even less of a reward for the 1750 favour}!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fomori View Post
    The overall favor rewards are account unlocks, with the exception of the tome. It was a freebie item back in the day as a way to help give a little boost to characters getting to that favor point. Its NOT an entitlement, it is a bonus. Just like other bonuses in life if you dont get benefit from it... you shrug and move on.

    I get annoyed that everything has to ALWAYS be improving the power level of some character. This is clear case where it benefits new players but not so much on old players. I LOVE that... newbies can get a small boost, and some vets can make use of it too on new characters.
    This is my opinion on the matter too. The overall favor rewards are useless to a TR gaining them a second time. Every single one of them. This one just annoys people more because it's a physical thing they have to throw away. I would be just fine with adding a renown token at the end of the list of tomes, but that's about it.

    Now if they want to revamp the overall favor reward list completely, okay, but right now it's kind of nice for a new player and completely irrelevant for a vet, and that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    Excuse me BUT unless I'm going to be crafting for other players there's no way I'm going to ever need a Crafting Level that high is there?

    I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.

    And really - If Purified Ebs are only of use for people who want to craft Unbound items then they really shouldn't be counted on these forums as a good reward {The vast majority of players will never use them!}.


    You must get a lot of tomes btw if you had 200+ Purified Ebs!
    Either that or they're far more common in random loot than other people in this thread are making out {and thus even less of a reward for the 1750 favour}!
    +2 tomes are pretty common. As for the crafting levels, if you want to craft (bound) flex shards you are going to want crafting levels between 130-150

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos000 View Post
    I always assumed you took the 1750 favor tome and applied a +3 upgrade then a +4 upgrade then a +5 upgrade tome.

    Until you have +5 to all stats, a +2 tome that is bound to character still has some worth...
    I think the way the +3 upgrade tomes work, is that you have to have used a +2 Tome already. You do not change a +2 tome that is in your inventory into a +3 one.

    Anyway, with +2 tomes being in the store, and more common as drops..... AND. Not going away when you TR.

    Almost every one of my characters has already used +2 Tomes in all stats prior to getting 1750 favor.

    So I end up with a +2 BTC tome that I do not need.

    .....which makes me sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.
    only if you don't plan on crafting Flexible shards or higher up shards that may be introduced later on

    but mostly the flexible shards for now
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    These tomes should be BtA. I've got tomes across multiple chars that I cant do anything with now since a TR will keep the bonus in the next life.

    Devs.... please make these BtA. BtC just isn't any use now.

    (I don't craft or I'd sell the tome to somebody else to deconstruct it...)

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